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Who is going to be the next President of the United States?

And then there were two....



John McCain
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Barack Obama
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581

– MyPic Kneville(41) Vote Up Vote Down
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I actually don't think we can decide this until they choose their running mates. That will determine the race, hands down. However, as much as I think we need a change in the White House, I think that McCain is liberal enough of a Republican to be elected. Obama is too polarizing and too liberal for the majority of the country. McCain is much more of a uniting figure in terms of policy and political stance. I guess I choose McCain as well since I am terrified of the depression this country will be headed into if Obama is elected and taxes us all to death.

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic jessald(450) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Obama's not stupid. He's not going to "tax us all to death." He's pledged not to raise taxes for anyone earning less than $200,000 a year. He's further pledged to cut taxes for people making less than $75,000 a year.

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From the Democratic Debate in Philadelphia (4/16/08):

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Can you make an absolute, read-my-lips pledge that there will be no tax increases of any kind for anyone earning under $200,000 a year?

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SENATOR OBAMA: Well, I not only have pledged not to raise their taxes, I've been the first candidate in this race to specifically say I would cut their taxes.

And one of the centerpieces of my economic plan would be to say that we are going to offset the payroll tax, the most regressive of our taxes, so that families who are earning -- who are middle-income individuals making $75,000 a year or less, that they would get a tax break so that families would see up to a thousand dollars worth of relief.

Senior citizens who have earnings of less than $50,000 wouldn't have to pay income tax on their Social Security. And middle-class homeowners who currently don't itemize on their tax filings, they would be able to get a deduction the same way that wealthy individuals do.

Now, here's the reason why that's important. We have seen wages and incomes flat or declining at a time when costs have gone up. And one of the things that we've learned from George Bush's economic policies, which John McCain now wants to follow, is that pain trickles up. And so, partly because people have been strapped and have had a tough time making ends meet, we're now seeing a deteriorating housing market.

That's also as a consequence of the lack of oversight and regulation of these banks and financial institutions that gave loans that they shouldn't have. And part of it has to do with the fact that you had $185 million by mortgage lenders spent on lobbyists and special interests who were writing these laws.

So the rules in Washington -- the tax code has been written on behalf of the well connected. Our trade laws have -- same thing has happened. And part of how we're going to be able to deliver on middle-class tax relief is to change how business is done in Washington. And that's been a central focus of our campaign.

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MR. GIBSON: You have however said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, "I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton, which was 28 percent."

It's now 15 percent. That's almost a doubling if you went to 28 percent. But actually Bill Clinton in 1997 signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.

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SENATOR OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness. We saw an article today which showed that the top 50 hedge fund managers made $29 billion last year -- $29 billion for 50 individuals. And part of what has happened is that those who are able to work the stock market and amass huge fortunes on capital gains are paying a lower tax rate than their secretaries. That's not fair.

And what I want is not oppressive taxation. I want businesses to thrive and I want people to be rewarded for their success. But what I also want to make sure is that our tax system is fair and that we are able to finance health care for Americans who currently don't have it and that we're able to invest in our infrastructure and invest in our schools.

And you can't do that for free, and you can't take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children and our grandchildren and then say that you're cutting taxes, which is essentially what John McCain has been talking about. And that is irresponsible.

You know, I believe in the principle that you pay as you go, and you don't propose tax cuts unless you are closing other tax breaks for individuals. And you don't increase spending unless you're eliminating some spending or you're finding some new revenue. That's how we got an additional $4 trillion worth of debt under George Bush. That is helping to undermine our economy, and it's going to change when I'm president of the United States.

Posted 99 days ago
– MyPic kiantakey(2) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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When you look at the break down of tax cuts, Americans that make less than $200k don't have to pay as much as those that make more than $200k. Doesn't that make more sense? Why should the person making the most pay the least?

Posted 35 days ago | Tagged As: Barack Obama
– MyPic DebateMan(392) Vote Up Vote Down
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McCain is definitely going to be the next President. The bottom line is that Obama is too liberal and too polarizing of a figure to have a real shot at becoming the next President. While the younger generation (myself included) will push for Obama and most of what you read on the Internet will support Obama, I don't think there's any way he's going to get elected. Check out his voting record, there's no way that "Middle America" (who essentially decide the election) is going to go for him.

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic neelanqj(46) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Posted 129 days ago
– MyPic turpificatus(171) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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mmm, but then Bush got in a second term.... so maybe people dont care? And really, alot of that video is edited to the point that it seems incontextual, so yeah. Susity much.

Posted 127 days ago
– MyPic jessald(450) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Ordinarily I would agree, but the circumstances of this election are not normal. Iraq and the struggling economy have left people hungry for the change Obama represents. McCain is not going to be able to avoid being tied to Bush's failures.

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic jwitter(77) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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I find it interesting that what you list as weaknesses I would tally as advantages for McCain. (Currently) we can put Iraq in the plus column, showing that even though it was difficult, as long as you persevere, things can improve. Also, the economy is only bad if you just compare it to the previous highs of the unusual American prosperity. We are still well above average globally.

My own argument fails, however, because I don't think this will be an issues campaign, but one just about personalities...

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic madeingerman(169) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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McCain seems to be a bit senile already. The only way he could still get elected is, if people really like his running mate. Never did any VP have such a great chance to the office ;)

What is McCain talking about?

Posted 129 days ago
– MyPic orle8050(15) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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McCain voted 100% in 2008 with President Bush, 95% in 2007, and has an overall voting record with Bush of 90%. With President Bush approval rating in the toilet, I don't think many people would agree that Bush was right 90% of the time.

I think that might trump any "liberal" voting record the GOP tries to portray.

Posted 126 days ago
– MyPic Sysiphuslove(21) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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...what Middle America?

Middle America has now mostly become Foreclosed-Upon America.

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic splash448(1) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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Interesting choice of words, there. You think Obama is too "liberal and polarizing"? What about the fact that a large part of his campaign is based on his strengths as a non-partisan politician (who also plans to have a cabinet made up of Republicans who oppose him, but, like Lincoln, invites that challenge because he thinks it will make him a better leader)? What about the fact that he has collaborated with many Republicans in Congress on bills, and that many Republicans and independents support him over McCain? I don't think you can attack Obama by calling him a lefty partisan politician.

Posted 113 days ago
– MyPic pvtNobody(327) Vote Up Vote Down
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I don't think that Obama can rally the Democratic party let alone the country behind him. On the other hand McCain has the full support of the Republican party and a sizable following even with moderates. Obama seems to think that the world is a Utopia where everyone is really nice at heart and all wars could be avoided if we just talked more. The world that Obama describes in his speeches is not the world that actually exists and this more than anything else is going to discourage many voters.

Posted 131 days ago
– MyPic orle8050(15) Opposed Vote Up Vote Down
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McCain does not have the full support of his party. True Conservatives hate him. He has been the nominee since March and 1 out of every 4 republicans since have voted for another republican canidate since McCain rapped up the nomination.

Even the last state to vote, South Dakota, 30% of Republicans voted for someone else or didn't even vote. Obama got more votes losing South Dakota than McCain did to win it. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/ primaries/results/state/#SD

Sad day for the GOP

Posted 126 days ago
– MyPic Time2Golf(255) Vote Up Vote Down
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McCain is going to be the next President. Although people will vehemently deny it in public, middle America still has ingrained racism that will prevent them from voting f