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Who is Your Favorite Historical Figure?

Throughout history there are a plethora of geniuses that lived incredible lives and/or changed the world in spectacular ways. From these, which is your personal favorite and why?
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Theodora, the Byzantine Empress.

She is, in a way responsible for the shape of the modern world.

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She was a whore, but married Emperor Justinian I.

When the Nika riots happened Justininan wanted to flee Constantinople, but she convinced him and other officials not to leave. Instead the quelled the riots and rebuilt Constantinople.

Effect 1 - Justinian had the Hagia Sophia built. When the Muslims took Constantinople, they liked it so much that they modeled most mosques after it, including the dome and the minarets. As a result of Theodora domes and minarets are main features of the Muslim world.

Many Russian Orthodox churches were also modeled after it. The onion domes in St. Basil's, for example, are results of imitation of the Hagia Sofia's dome.

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Effect 2A - Justinian compiled Roman law into the Justinian Codex. What is significant is he sorted the law into ordered categories, which is the model for organizing modern Western law. This innovation enabled later societies to have more complex, yet more consistent bodies of law.

Effect 2B - The Justinian Codex was a major contributor to English Common Law. Because of the British Colonial Period, that body of law, including Justinian's contribution, was spread worldwide, including to the US, which spread it further.

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In fact, almost the only places whose laws are not influenced by the Codex are the Muslim countries (which have Sharia) which are instead architecturally influenced by the Hagia Sofia.

All because Theodora refused to leave Constantinople during the riots, stop being an empress, or go back to being a whore.

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Interesting, so by her act of courage she may have changed the course of history entirely.

Abraham Lincoln. He freed the slaves from the Democrats and they martyred him for it.

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I have way too many favorites to just pick one but I'll pick Talleyrand (Napoleon's foreign minister). Believing that Napoleon would lead his country to ruin he decided to turn against him. By conspiring with his personal worst enemy, Napoleon's chief of secret police Joseph Fouche (who had previously tried to assassinate Talleyrand by the way), he managed to overthrow Napoleon.

Napoleon was then exiled to Elba, close to Italy. Talleyrand foresaw that Napoleon would inevitably escape and return to power and so he tried in vain to persuade the European powers to exile him further away. Failing to persuade them, he worked quietly with others to engineer Napoleon's escape. Upon his escape Napoleon immediately regained power due to his incredible reputation and popularity; the current king even had to flee the country. However France was bankrupt and exhausted from the preceding wars and after a mere hundred days he was utterly defeated at Waterloo. Thus Talleyrand got his way and Napoleon was exiled further away, this time with no chance of escape.

Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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I have way too many favorites to just pick one but I'll pick Talleyrand (Napoleon's foreign minister). Believing that Napoleon would lead his country to ruin he decided to turn against him. By conspiring with his personal worst enemy, Napoleon's chief of secret police Joseph Fouche (who had previously tried to assassinate Talleyrand by the way), he managed to overthrow Napoleon.

Napoleon was then exiled to Elba, close to Italy. Talleyrand foresaw that Napoleon would inevitably escape and return to power and so he tried in vain to persuade the European powers to exile him further away. Failing to persuade them, he worked quietly with others to engineer Napoleon's escape. Upon his escape Napoleon immediately regained power due to his incredible reputation and popularity; the current king even had to flee the country. However France was bankrupt and exhausted from the preceding wars and after a mere hundred days he was utterly defeated at Waterloo. Thus Talleyrand got his way and Napoleon was exiled further away, this time with no chance of escape.

Are you reading The 48 Laws of Power? I read the exact same story last week.

WinstonC(1225) Clarified
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Yeah I read it a while ago, absolutely loved it and have several of Robert Greene's other books in my to-read list. You should read some Machiavelli too if you're a fan of his.

cruzaders(325) Disputed
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Talleyrand is a pretty shadey character his career spanned the regimes of Louis XVI, the years of the French Revolution, Napoleon, Louis XVIII, and Louis-Philippe and as soon as things went sour he ran away...

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For sure he was as shady as they come, but his deeds were fascinating to learn.

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By far, Pericles. And Julius Caesar too but mostly Pericles. Why? Because Pericles was a charismatic leader, he persevered, and he fought the Persians. And the other Greeks too but I mostly care about the Persian part.