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Genius chimp Retarded human
Debate Score:52
Arguments:65
Total Votes:70
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Who's life is more important, a mentally retarded human or a genius chimpanzee?

Genius chimp

Side Score: 24
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Retarded human

Side Score: 28
3 points

Conscious life, in and of itself, is equal in importance to any other conscious life. However, the genius chimp probably would provide more benefit to others and itself than a retarded human would and thus we would value it's life as more important.

Side: Genius chimp
Amarel(2902) Clarified Banned
1 point

Conscious life, in and of itself, is equal in importance to any other conscious life

Not all conscious life is equally important to me, a conscious life.

thus we would value it's life as more important.

I don’t know who “we” is, but neither the chimp nor the person is important to me.

If I shot and killed the chimp, what crime would you charge me with? Now what if I shot and killed the person?

Side: Genius chimp
WinstonC(1116) Clarified
2 points

"Not all conscious life is equally important to me, a conscious life."

In your subjective estimation, or relevant to your self-interest.

"neither the chimp nor the person is important to me."

That's interesting, I remember you saying "I hold human life as my highest value. My life is my primary value. The recognition that others value their own the way I value mine produces in me a high valuation for all human life." in my highest value debate. How do you reconcile these positions?

"If I shot and killed the chimp, what crime would you charge me with? Now what if I shot and killed the person?"

I completely appreciate that the law treats these acts as immensely different, however this is an argument from law (ethos), rather than an argument from a factual or logical (logos) basis. If there was a law declaring that murder was OK, this would not be an argument that murder was in fact OK.

Side: Genius chimp

Basically, your question reads: Who's life is more important, a liberal or a genius chimp. A chimp, hands down.

That was easy.

Side: Genius chimp
1 point

I think the importance of something is subjective, so the question doesn't make sense. (WinstonC, I know you disagree, but we've had this conversation before)

Side: Genius chimp
1 point

Definitely the chimp, They or both sentient beings so in that regard they are equal it's just that one is special and the other is "special"

Side: Genius chimp
2 points

Who's life is more important, a mentally retarded human or a genius chimpanzee?

Somewhat related point: The average IQ for a 'standard' chimpanzee is projected be between 40-50, while a 'genius' chimp may be around 60 IQ, or so. Then, to map this onto human cognitive abilities:

-IQ 40: Severely Mentally Disabled-- "Limited ability to communicate, eat, bath, dress and toilet. No academic skills."

-IQ 50: Moderately Mentally Disabled-- "Some independent self-help skills and very basic academic skills."

-IQ 60: Mildly Mentally Disabled-- "Usually able to dress/bath independently and can do simple jobs. Elementary school academics."

Side: Retarded human

Both are equally important.........................................................

Side: Retarded human
LogicItself(16) Disputed
0 points

So a drooling wheelchair bound proto-human that can't wipe it's own anus is just as valuable as a fully functioning sentient being that can actually survive without everyone going out of their way to preserve it's existence? not to mention a genius chimp is truly special, whereas a "special" human is just another occasional fuck up.

Side: Genius chimp
excon(5772) Disputed
1 point

So a drooling wheelchair bound proto-human that can't wipe it's own anus is just as valuable as a fully functioning sentient being that can actually survive

Hello Logical:

I'd LIKE to be ON the commission that DECIDES who's valuable, and who's NOT.. When we got around to you, you might NOT make the cut..

So, in order to AVOID having killing commissions like that, we, as a nation, decided that EVERYBODY has rights..

excon

Side: Retarded human
Amarel(2902) Banned
1 point

Neither has a life that is important to me at all. What is important to me is living in a society that values human life first and foremost. As such, if a person kills both the chimp and the retarded person, it’s most important that they only receive one count of murder.

Side: Retarded human
LogicItself(16) Disputed
1 point

Neither has a life that is important to me at all.What is important to me is living in a society that values human life first and foremost.

That's exactly the opposite of what I am going to be using you to demonstrate. My point in creating this debate is that just being human does not automatically make you the most valuable thing in the universe, in fact humans are often the worst thing in the entire universe in terms of their capacity for destruction and insanity. When you say that neither has a life that is important to you, and that you only care that society values human life, you are saying "I have no genuine care for the lives of others or empathy, I merely want their to be an arbitrary rule that MY species in particular is the most important thing on earth so I can carry on consuming and producing waste like every other meaningless biological mechanism on this giant ball of shit we call a planet."

It's fortunate that you worded your post as you did, because it clearly demonstrates the folly of man. Humans don't create these social constructs because they are "right", they create them to protect their own weakness, so that themselves and their genes are sheltered from natural selection. Without the RARE humans who have produced all the technology, infrastructure and medicine that keeps the average human afloat, the majority of the human race would be exposed as pathetic domesticated self important apes and they would die. There was a time when this was not the case, what you call an average human is actually borderline subhuman and retards are fully subhuman if I do say so myself. What we are preserving is not humanity but the downward progression of humanity when we consider neurosis and deformity to be more valuable then other life simply because the neurosis and deformity is somewhat human.

You and every other domesticated human desire an arbitrary social construct to be programmed into everyone from birth that tells them that you can't be killed, but it's okay to kill other species not because it is "right" but because your own survival is more important to you then beauty, strength and intelligence. In other words you are an abomination to natural selection that would never survive without social constructs and tools that other people invented. This especially goes for the retard, which objectively should be less important to you, because it is less.

Side: Genius chimp
NKJV(458) Banned
1 point

I value human people of any ability, and while I support your right to say that, I hate all eugenics. Life and death are a human's right to choose, and if they can't choose, the law should favor life.

Side: Retarded human
1 point

Important to who?

I think both lives are important. But to those who choose one or the other, they have a process or belief that helps them determine that.

So I guess the question is, who chooses which one is more important and what qualifications are they basing this choice on?

Is it a belief that all life is important? Is it a belief that life restricted only to same species is important? Or is it a belief that one will contribute something more than the other?

Side: Retarded human
NKJV(458) Disputed Banned
1 point

Are you kidding me? Humand are more important than animals, but I support your free speech.

Side: Genius chimp
Mint_tea(3251) Disputed
1 point

So in the case of a dog and a person who abuses the dog, do you think the human that is actively torturing the animal is more important than the animal?

Side: Retarded human
1 point

Why would you invoke this debate on SaintNow and Outlaw? I thought personal attacks weren’t allowed anymore?

Side: Retarded human

While a genius chimp is something to be accounted for, a retarded human is still a human. They are more important maybe not legally, but morally.

Look back to 2016, when the three-year-old fell into Harambe's enclosure. There were plenty of cries for Harambe because he was shot to death, but the human's life was more important. In the end, humans contribute (most of the time) to human society.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KillingofHarambe

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/news/2016/06/02/a-childs-life-is-more-important-than-a-gorillas-any-day-of-the-week

Side: Retarded human
0 points

Here you have it folks.

This is where man kind ends ups when they have separated God from our public lives.

They become animals who support killing Special Need's babies for merely being diverse.

The fool that created this debate is what becomes of man without God's moral foundations.

How do you like what is becoming of mankind? If a person is diverse with Special Need's, the Left supports the right to kill.

Side: Retarded human
xMathFanx(1537) Clarified
1 point

@FromWithin

Thanks for your contribution here--I can understand and appreciate your concern. Though, it seems you have inserted the part about "killing", as the debate title itself does not inherently support murder for either the person or the chimp--nor does it seem to present an ultimatum, from what I can tell, at least.

Side: Genius chimp
LogicItself(16) Disputed
1 point

@Mathfan

Thanks for your contribution here

Yes, thanks for "contributing" your endless rants about special needs babies, saying the exact same things about the exact same things paragraph after paragraph. We truly value your parroting about abortion FromWithin, please give us another pointless wall of text soon.

Side: Genius chimp
FromWithin(6033) Clarified
0 points

Go back and read my recent debate called "Dems test for and kill Special Needs Babies, so if they had a late term test for being Gay?"

This person created this debate because of mine. He definitely supports killing people who are Special Need's, just as the Democrat party supports the testing and killing of viable late term Special Need's babies.

I know exactly what he supports.

Side: Genius chimp
NKJV(458) Banned
1 point

Most atheists favor eugenics..................................................................................

Side: Retarded human
NKJV(458) Clarified Banned
1 point

Downvoting violates my right to free speech. I have the right to say whatever I want.

Side: Genius chimp
Dermot(4989) Disputed
0 points

Here we have it folks Foamwithin whining about abortion again yet applauding it when it’s done in gods name ,

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Hey it’s all good once the big fella is doing it 👌

Side: Genius chimp
FromWithin(6033) Disputed
1 point

The bigoted fool hypocrite opens his mouth once more.

He has no problem with killing even viable unborn babies for any reason today and then has the nerve to judge God for making some people barren? LOL

Side: Retarded human