Who's to blame for America's obesity epidemic?
I was just on youtube, when I saw that "Super Size Me" was a featured video. I decided to watch it, since I haven't seen it since 8th grade and it reminded me how so many people are confused on who to blame for Americans being so overweight. Many people think it's the fast food reastaurants' faults for not advertising nutritional information, while others think it's the individual's fault for going in to the restaurant and buying the food.
Both arguments are valid. These restaurants are very cheap, serving some of the cheapest meals in America. Some people have no choice but to go to McDonald's and buy their food because they can't afford anything else. At the same time, people think that those who are addicted to fast food should not be going to the restaurants and buying the food there. This would make more sense with smoking; we don't need nicotene to live, but we do need food to live, which is what the fast food chains serve us.
So who's faulty here? Who is to blame? Should we be making healthier choices at places like McDonald's or should these places try to make healthier food?
The American public
Side Score: 70
The fast food chains
Side Score: 37
There are so many ways you can blame fatness on everyone except the fat person.
but guess what. if that fat ass didn't use that at all, he wouldn't have a problem. The fact is, it's the fat ass's fault, not some random guy who came up with something everyone enjoys (i know plenty of non-fatties who use these things as well, including fast food).
This is more bullshit on trying to strike down on individualism. a way of life that has made civilization progress so much. it seems that more and more people find it alright for dipshits to blame everyone else for their dipshittery.
1500 days ago | Side: The American public
Individualism doesn't have much to do with it anymore.
"A study by Geert Hofstede of 53 countries across 5 continents found the United States to be the most individualist country in the world along a continuum of individualism versus collectivism." -Alex Kozulin. Vygotsky's educational theory in cultural context. Cambridge University Press, 2003. p. 443
We are already the most individualistic, we are also the Nation with the problem, and you can't sort Communists and Fascists by body mass (or should I say, volume). Look at Japan, they have just as many of these gadgets, probably more frequently used, and they have to be the LEAST individual or close. They don't have weight issues and probably won't because they don't have the resources. I still seem to find the corn industry guilty, but I can't blame it all on that.
Sure, people should be doing their own research and they take responsibility for not in the way of many pounds of fatty tissues, but even in the information age this sort of information is hard to find... maybe purposely. There is a machine though, that our nation has established that treats us like nodes. They grow the food, they send it every which way, and it all comes back to us. Bio-Fuels, dog food, cat food, cattle feed>human food, fast food, and food that you can't escape in the grocery store. All of it is done to get into your pocket. You pay for it at the pump, and the pet stores, at the restaurants, convenience stores, fast food joints, at the fair, your grocery stores (even in the health foods like yogurt (mostly made of high fructose corn syrup, like sodas)). You almost can't escape the shit, and you're blaming it on people who aren't taking responsibility!?
It's everywhere, and most of the time when you're gaining weight you're not thinking that you need to stop eating so much yogurt, or drinking so much soy milk. You're thinking about the fast food you had last night, as if it's any better. Most of the Fast food joints now, even McDonalds, don't put many calories in anything. I think Del Taco is worse, their "Macho Chicken Burrito" == 1540 calories all on it's own AND has more fat and protein than you should eat in a whole day!
You can't trust your instructs or what other people tell you, you really have to be alert when it comes to ANY type of food that you buy. I used to think a diet of bread and beans would keep me out of trouble, Carbs and Protein, NO. Beans that come in cans (High Fructose Corn Syrup), A Loaf of french bread made at my local grocery store (High Fructose Corn Syrup).
In todays world you sort of have to be a hippy, you have to seem like you're too aware of what you eat and go down to farmer's markets when you can because in daily life, it's too difficult to find a place that doesn't use the stuff.
P.S. Sorry about rambling.
1500 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
The only thing I entirely disagree with is that the Corn Industry is at fault at all, it is not partially up to the customer, it is entirely up to the customer weather they want to eat and buy fast food. That and not get excersize of course. America is lazy and fat!
(I still seem to find the corn industry guilty...)
536 days ago | Side: Individual People
Even though I think that fast food companies could do more to combat the issue i don't think they are truly at fault. The real problem I think is American society along with the public that has created this epidemic. We are a fast paced society that can't stop to wait. We also love meat and expect if to be part of every meal. The costs are low because of several reasons but also because the government subsidizes a lot of the meat production process making it ridiculously cheap to purchase and still allow the fast food companies to make a profit. Government doesn't help subsidizes as greatly if at all the creation of healthier foods and thus they cost more.
Another problem is of course the public, not only those who are obese but those who aren't. They don't really care. The obese people, while some do have legitimate health issues, often aren't willing to go all the way to get healthier. They look for that easy weight loss diet, pill, meditation, what ever. Its going to take a lot of work, both diet wise and exercise wise to get healthier, don't one won't solve the problem. Also the people who aren't obese often just blame the problem on the obese people for being lazy and don't care to actually help.
It really goes back to society, we are told that there are shortcuts to everything(get rich, get muscular, lose weight etc...) and also that we should see life only as a individualistic competition amongst everyone else and thus it isn't proper to care to help others to better society as a whole.
1496 days ago | Side: The American public
No one is to blame but the fat slobs themselves. They go to the fast food store, they take the money out of their pockets, purchase the food, and put the food in their mouth. They shouldn't blame anyone but their own self and I can't stand people who feel sorry for them.
1500 days ago | Side: THE FATTIES
But can't you possibly see how they are addicted to the fast food, to the high amounts of sugar and fats? Some people raise their kids at fast food restaurants. McDonald's even has playgrounds so parents can bring their kids to get a happy meal with a toy and then the kids will grow up with a sort of solace in the fast food industry.
1500 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
Initially it's the parents who shoulder the blame but don't want to hear anything about it. When their children get older it's the same but now they feed themselves and are never stopped. They already have an eating disorder and it carries into adulthood when, then, they have things to blame! Even though I understand that a child can over-eat because they feel this or that...when they're older and have been made fun of by the class meanies they eat more to stop the hurt. When they finally reach the age of responsibility for their own eating habits they find they cannot stop. Yes, they feel this and that and that's why they need all the psychological help they can get.
1499 days ago | Side: Parents and themselves
You know, I just can't imagine an educated doctor talking to an obese patiant and saying:
"Hey, you need to lose weight, so we need to find a way to stop these evil fast food corporations, they are making you fat".
Everyone should worrie about their own health.
And parents should worrie about their kids health, and mainly what they are eating.
1499 days ago | Side: The American public
The individuals are ultimately to blame. It's not about cost. You can get food from the grocery store for way cheaper than a McDonald's meal (rice, beans, apples, carrots, etc.). People who constantly eat fast food do it because they're stupid or irresponsible.
That said, telling people not to be stupid or lazy just isn't going to work. You can try and educate people, but at the end of the day there's just no way to knock the stupid out of someone.
Doing nothing is not the answer either. Growing numbers of fat people are weighing down our health care system.
I think the answer lies in the soft paternalism of the Obama administration. We should not ban fast food or punish the companies or the consumers, but should instead pass legislation that guides people away from it. A small tax on foods with excessive amounts of fat, for example, would be a good idea. Requiring companies to display easy to understand nutritional information might also help. Stuff like that.
1500 days ago | Side: The public but still
I really do think it's mainly the individuals fault. And at least the people they grew up around. When you're 14 years old, you don't technically have enough knowledge to know how food works, what it does to us, nor can you even afford to choose it yourself... your parents take care of it all (except when you sneak the twinkies at school). If you're growing up in an obese household, there's usually two flaws going on: your family is eating junk food and feeding it to you, or, your family is so obsessed with how they look and they resent it so much that they make you eat certain foods and talk to you in certain ways, that disrupts your attitude towards food. The latter tends to be why many girls grow up with eating disorders... it started as a psychological problem from extremely low self-esteem and bad role modeling. The problem with how we grow up is that the things we learn and observed become our way of life because we were in a critical development stage. Typically, once you're 18, everything becomes fully your choice, but it's hard to bust out of old habits and it takes tons of willpower to do so to develop a different lifestyle for your personal satisfaction.
Overall though, I can't say it's all fully dependent on eating junk food because I grew up eating that junk myself and have never been overweight. It also comes down to understanding your limits and not abusing them. You can seriously eat a McDonalds burger once a day and never get overweight (but you'd probably destroy your colon, amongst other things), if you understand the calorie factor. It's definitely not the fast food chains faults... they're merely making good business because of people's ignorance and they get an advantage out of it (money!). Of course, if fast food really cared, they could shut themselves down (but what business would do that?) or they could totally switch up their menu. But it's not their job. As humans, we have choices, and most people are just making the wrong ones.
1483 days ago | Side: The American public
It's the public's fault. McDonald's has nutrition facts on their website, and on the boxes of food. If you know how to read, you know what you're getting. Also, obese and overweight people need to get some exercise! That's why they're not losing weight, they keep gorging and don't exercise. Heck, you could gorge fruit and not exercise and still get fat.
1341 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
I CANNOT believe this argument is this close. "The American Public" should have WAY more support than blaming fast food restaurants. And I don't wanna hear about how we are being fooled by the FDA, or the restaurants, etc. If you did a nation-wide poll, asking people "do you think McDonalds greasy hamburgers, fries, and shakes are good for you", how many people would say yes? Probably the same percentage of retards we have in this Country. So people KNOW it's not healthy, but we CHOSE to eat it anyway. The fast food chains provide a service; we are free to chose which services to buy from. And the argument about how people can't afford anything other than McDonalds? That doesn't hold any water either, because as cheap as Mcdonalds may be, it's still more expensive than buying your own groceries and eating at home.
Now, I'm an overweight American. I'm 5'7, 220 lbs. I'm a chubby guy. And you know who's fault it is? It's MY FATASS fault. Not McDonalds, not Pizza Hut, not George Bush, not Obama, not Taco Bell, not the terrorist, not my parents for not giving me enough hugs, etc..... It's MINE. We need to STOP blaming other people for our own problems in this Country!
1341 days ago | Side: The American public
Problem: "Fast-Food chains serve fatty food of questionable nutritional value, which American people are evidently fond of eating".
Solution: "Do not eat the fatty food of questionable nutritional value".
If a man is fat because he eats too much then it behoves him to eat less, not for the restaurant to serve him less.
1013 days ago | Side: The American public
Many things are to blame
but it is the person's choice to not do anything, and stop what their doing and get fit and healthy. All I hear is big people blaming on fast food and electronics for making them look like they do now. We do have choices, the food and electronics don't talk to us to keep what we are doing, (if they are stop taking or drinking what ever it is you're drinking or taking).It is the fast food resturants fault, at least put the Nutritional Facts.
My parents are overweight and it kills me to see my parents continue to eat horribly.
882 days ago | Side: The American public
I cannot understand where in the world somebody would get the notion that the fast food companies, the advertising companies, or anybody but themselves are at fault for their weight problems. What happened to personal responsibility, can't you people take care of yourselves??? Or do you need to go back to first grade and learn how to eat healthy again?
The very least you could do to improve your health is get some exercise and stop being lazy! Every day I wake up at 0600 to do an eight mile run. Then I come home and continue another exercise routine. Afterwords, then I relax a bit... eat breakfast and enjoy the remainder of my morning before going to work. No matter how much I eat (Currently as much as five grown men) I have not gained a pound of solid fat.
America is becoming extremely obese and unless the people in this world are not going to get up off the couch and have some self responsibility for their own weight, after long the human race will not pass by a predicted apocalypse or by nuclear war, it will end in clogged arteries...
538 days ago | Side: The American public
It's not only the fast food chains, it's an entire industry that starts with farming. Ultimately, it is the Public's fault for not paying attention, but who's more at fault, the ignorant man eating the shit, or the intelligent industry allowing the ignorant man to stuff his face with the shit.
You're all feeding yourselves like cattle and no one's telling you... check this stuff out:
The Future of Food (Documentary)
1500 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
Very nice usage of Future of Food and King Corn. I would recommend reading the book "seeds of deception". Anyone who digs deep enough comes to find that the USDA and the FDA has failed the american consumer. Then you can even add in the WHO and other groups to find yourself in this huge food safety dilemma. I could go on and on and on, but I wouldn't want to bore you.
1485 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
Hello Andrew, welcome to first grade. First off, you need to begin your sentences with a capital letter. Secondly, "them self's" is misspelled or incorrect. The word you're looking for is "themselves". Thirdly, when you end a statement with a name as if you're referring to someone ("... fast food chains moron"), you need to separate it with a comma, Andrew. Lastly, you need to end your sentences with a period.
People choose, yes, but my point here is that it isn't just fast-food businesses. High Fructose Corn Syrup has been claimed to be "safe in moderation" by the Food and Drug Administration, like sugar, and yet this stuff is packed into nearly everything that we eat, again, like sugar, but it's NOT SUGAR and it's NOT NATURAL. HFCS is highly processed and was nearly impossible to produce before the 70's. You don't just eat it at McDonalds, you eat it everywhere, all the time, and you never realize it. What is in a McDonald's hamburger that makes it "bad"? You probably have no idea.
Just so you don't need to get out your google, I've looked it up for both of us.
The patties: 100% pure USDA inspected beef; no additives, no fillers, no extenders. This doesn't mean, however, that the cows aren't fed corn meal (of yellow dent number 2 (genetically altered to yield extremely high levels of starch and almost no protein) which is the same type of corn used to make anything from Ethanol to HFCS).
The Buns: Enriched bleached flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, thiamine, riboflavin, niacin, folic acid, reduced iron), water, high fructose corn syrup, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, yeast, contains less than 2 % of each of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, calcium silicate, wheat gluten, soy flour, baking soda, emulsifier (mono- and diglycerides, diacetyl tartaric acid esters of fatty acids, ethanol, sorbitol, polysorbate 20, potassium propionate), sodium stearoyl lactylate, dough conditioner (corn starch, ammonium chloride, ammonium sulfate, calcium peroxide, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, enzymes), calcium propionate (preservative).
The Ketchup: Tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar, high fructose corn syrup, water, salt, natural flavors (vegetable source).
The Mustard: Vinegar, water, mustard seed, salt, turmeric, paprika, spice extractives.
The Pickles: Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, sodium benzoate or potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavor (vegetable source), alum, polysorbate 80, turmeric.
Seasoning: Salt, pepper, partially hydrogenated vegetable oil (cottonseed and soybean).
Just by looking at the contents you can tell that the buns are the worst for you. High Fructose Corn Syrup, Partially Hydrogenated Oils, Mono/Diglycerides, Corn Starch, Ethanol, Etc.
Even then Ketchup though uses HFCS, and that's just on a standard burger...
My point is that, anymore, you cannot simply decide not to eat some of this shit, the parts that are detrimental to you health are in more than 80% of the food that you see, and the things without it are things like wheat thins.... shit that no one wants to eat.
1499 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
yep for sure it's the american public's fault
they had better control their diet
i too eat fat foods but don't grow fat then why should the americans be so
i think the americans waste too much time sitting or playing video games and eating fatty foods that get them so fatty
they should actually get wat i'm saying and start off exercising right now right there
like jake j or someone said right there
everyone is responsible for their own health
1114 days ago | Side: The American public
High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), arguably. The Corn Refiners of America (CRA-- If only it said Party at the end) is one of the US's most powerful lobbies, so it was able to force the market into making its obesity-causing sweetener to the point of dietary ubiquity. Sugar is a foreign import (Caribbean, Brazil), but corn is a domestic crop, and our largest one. The CRA was able to force tariffs on sugar and subsidies on corn products so much that HFCS became way cheaper than sugar.
Now, you can find it in nearly every American food product. Candy. Soda. Bread. Tomato soup. A lot of stuff that doesn't really need to be sweetened. Why? Because since the 1970's, HFCS has kind of defined the American palate, and it's so cheap and effective food designers add it almost as a given, or an afterthought.
And it makes you obese, far more than other sweeteners do. If you're really interested, you can look it up. I'm more interested in the political aspect. Suffice to say it serves no dietary purpose.
Funny thing: after these HFCS ads came on TV, people started to look it up more online (HUGE spike), and they're likely finding the info on why it's so terrible for you.
1500 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
We have obviously approached an age of sedentary lifestyles. That is the main problem, you cannot absorb food without using its contents, you'll get fat, develop digestive illnesses, etc.
However, the free and open prowl for fast-food companies has grown well beyond a fair chance. Should fatty and sugary foods we withdrawn? no. However, the average child will see 10,000 advertisements for fast-food in a year. Not only are they pairing positive experiences with fast food (albeit the taste) in their youth, but healthy organic natural foods are also scarce, in the household and abroad. It's hard to drop an orgasmic Parfait from McDonalds to eat a bowl of fruit when you're so used to the rush of flavors. We all know this.
An exaggeration is guns. We have very strict rules on weapons. In other words, people are heavily monitored when they procure harmful substances. Is food like guns? No. But think about hard drugs, we obviously outlaw those, because we know the harm they do to the body. So why not fast food? It's a slower killer, but should all people be allowed to try hard drugs before they make their decision?
They're too addictive and harmful. Bottom line. Mass production and availability, natural prevalence and advantage over healthy foods, heavy advertisement, and a sedentary lifestyle are all behind this.
So we can at least invest in equally tasteful and healthy natural foods. There is no need to pack 1200 calories into 1 meal. None.
1498 days ago | Side: The fast food chains
It's the fast food fault. They made me fat... The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.
416 days ago | Side: The fast food chains