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Why is the belief that nothing can create something or that an infinite regress of causes is possible not considered a mental illness?
This is a purposefully false straw man argument. Atheists believe the universe was created by the big bang, which in turn was caused by a quantum singularity which had always existed. Furthermore, your stupid straw man argument assumes the laws of this universe applied before this universe existed (i.e. can't create something from nothing)
If you want to know what a singularity is then use Google.
Explain to us why giving the singularity consciousness and a mind is a "mental illness."
For the same reason giving a slice of cheese a consciousness and a mind is a mental illness -- because you have precisely no objective evidence that either has a consciousness or a mind.
Your link has nothing to do with atheism. It's a news story about gender options for Facebook users. The fact that you seem to believe atheism (the doctrine that there is no god) and Facebook (a social platform invented by Mark Zuckerburg) are the same thing evidences abundantly well which of us is actually mentally ill.
I've never called it a mental illness, but then, I've never called a belief in ghosts a mental illness. It's a belief, and one has the right to believe what he/she wants to believe.
I DO NOT believe Jesus lives, and that is MY right.
By the way. The only thing I'm "despairing" is that we elected this idiot in the White House!
Good. When the mentally insane are feeling weirded out, that's a sign of progress. Other than a theoretical Russia conspiracy, you have nothing on him. Does he take a salary? No. Is the economy good? Yes. Is the market at record heights? Yes. Have we had a jihadist attack? No. Did he demand a healthcare bill to sign? Yes. Your hate is just that. Hate. Chinagate with Bill Clinton was proven. You probably didn't flinch.
It's not impossible Napolean was Jesus reincarnated, in which case they're one and the same. Maybe Napolean's hand was always in his jacket because he could feel the invisible spiritual wound where the spear had lanced him?
Because the only difference between a religion and a psychotic cult is the number of adherents.
If one person says they think a piece of bread can be turned into the flesh of a man who died two thousand years ago, in the throat, just by the power of belief, they are crazy. But if a billion people believe it, they're just devout Catholics.
For all intents and purposes, unwavering belief in the fairy-tales of Christianity fits the definition of mental illness, but it just so happens that human societies are built upon mob mentality. If the social majority are the crazies, then the crazies get to define normative standards, which is why in America it's considered a bit 'deviant' to be an atheist: Christians make up the majority of the citizens.
I personally do consider fervent religious belief a form of severe delusional thinking, as would most of the prominent psychology theorists. What tangible relationship to reality has the completely ludicrous belief that bread eaten on a Sunday in a church turns into the flesh of Jesus Christ? It's a completely falsifiable belief, yet, a few hundred years ago, it would be tantamount to a crime against the state to argue so.
So explain to us the magical "singularity". What is it? What is it like? Does it have a mind? Did it manifest the heavens and the earth? Is its name "I Am"?
Consciously choosing despair over hope is a mental illness. It's called a negative psychological loop and is what the op has. There's a reason people with faith live longer and heal more often.
Consciously choosing despair over hope is a mental illness.
Not when "hope" requires you to abandon your own sanity, you buffoon. By that logic I'd be mentally ill to go to work in the morning instead of running backwards around a fairy circle seven times in the hope it sent me to Narnia.
There are many reasons based on logic and reality that we believe. You either do not know what they are or are purposefully ignoring them. They are presented on this site all of the time. You still haven't responded to why atheism is a mental disorder because you can't. There is no logical atheist response to the regress of infinite causes vs something from nothing fiasco that is atheism. You also did not respond to longer life spans of believers.
Your analogy about work is ignorant at best. You have to go to work. You choose to be an atheist. Not even almost the same thing.
There are many reasons based on logic and reality that we believe
None of your reasons are based on logic. There is nothing logical about inventing a giant bearded wizard to explain an inexplicable predicament. That's called intellectual laziness, not logic.
You either do not know what they are or are purposefully ignoring them
Clearly there is a third option: I understand why they are not logical and you do not. Your demonstrable inability/unwillingness to even consider this as a possibility proves that your mind is warped and incapable of rational analysis.
They are presented on this site all of the time.
Either present an argument or stop lying. I have no interest in your personal anecdotes thanks.
You still haven't responded to why atheism is a mental disorder because you can't
I don't believe that atheism is a mental disorder, so that probably answers your loaded question.
There is no logical atheist response to the regress of infinite causes
Since you have yet to provide any evidence of a regress of infinite causes, no atheist response is necessary, logical or otherwise.
Atheists believe the universe began in the big bang, which in turn was caused by a quantum singularity which had always existed prior to the big bang. No infinite regression is needed for this explanation so it appears you are using terms which you do not understand the meaning of.
Your analogy about work is ignorant at best. You have to go to work.
Are you retarded? No I don't. I choose to go to work because I like making money.
You choose to be an atheist. Not even almost the same thing.
You are literally more stupid than a packet of dry roasted cashew nuts.
there is nothing logical about inventing a giant bearded wizard to explain an inexplicable predicament. That's called intellectual laziness, not logic
Jesus isn't made up. He is a partof human history. Believing in amagical singularity that isn't God and that you can't explain or give attributes to is intellectual laziness. We have a theory. You present us no theory.
Jesus isn't made up. He is a partof human history.
Wrong. There is a total lack of satisfactory historical evidence that Jesus of Nazareth even existed, let alone performed the miracles attributed to him in The Bible.
No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.
You keep calling singularities "magical" even though their existence is an established part of the theory of quantum mechanics. You depend on this theory every day of your life simply by the technology you use. Like a typical Christian, you possess or provide nothing to support anything you say, and instead rely completely on loading your own language with silly adjectives.
You're totally incorrect the majority of credible historians believe that Jesus existed , the big difference is they are not making claims for a 'miracle ' working Jesus .
It's typical that you the conspiracy theory specialist would go again the accepted facts ......
From BBC History
The Christ myth theory is the proposition that Jesus never existed, or that if he did, he had virtually nothing to do with the founding of Christianity and the accounts in the gospels.This theory has very little support among current scholars.Historically however, mythicist viewpoints were noted to varying degrees within academia and some even became part of the mainstream scholarship, such as the viewpoint of David Strauss.The theory enjoyed brief popularity in the Soviet Union, where it was supported by Sergey Kovalev, Alexander Kazhdan, Abram Ranovich, Nikolai Rumyantsev, Robert Wipper and Yuri Frantsev.
Later, however, several scholars, including Kazhdan, had retracted their views about mythical Jesus and by the end of the 1980s the support for the theory became almost non-existent in Soviet academia.
So to avoid defeat in debate you accuse me of using sock accounts of which you have three , all backing your every comment on your 9/11nonsense ...........I guess that was your last option
I see you opened yet another account again supporting your 9/11 nonsense that's 4 accounts plus your own ...... you reallly are deperate aren't you ?
So to avoid defeat in debate you accuse me of using sock accounts
Clearly you were using sock accounts because your rabid vitriol contained no argument. You have to actually debate to defeat someone in a debate. Contradictorily, you launched into an utterly unprovoked ad hominem attack, spat out a bizarre straw man argument, labelled me guilty by association of believing Elvis was still alive and then upvoted yourself four times. You are the exact same imbecile who uses the FromWithin account and the NowASaint account.
your 9/11nonsense
your 9/11 nonsense
You simply cannot last a solitary post without trying to persuade people to believe in a fantasy conspiracy theory sold to you by an administration of proven liars. I comprehensively schooled you yesterday, and yet here you are back again today, making the exact same appeals to emotion and rhetoric. Literally the only weapons in your debating arsenal are insults and repetition. Silly child.
You set up 4 different accounts and accuse me of having sock accounts;you refuse to acknowledge your hammering in debate and ban me for correcting your nonsense .. you do not debate anyone you just rant when questioned as in your vicious attack on a woman for merely asking you a question .
Ha , Ha , what a bullshitting troll you the 'truther ' accuse the opposition to your nonsense of ..... conspiracy ......making them the conspiracy theorists ππππππππ
You schooled no one , you got exposed on your lies and bullshit you tube conspiracy channel nonsense, learn to take your beating like a man π
So you got schooled again regarding the Historicity of Jesus do you ever win a debate ?
This is the first I'm hearing about it. When did I do this?
Oh no wait. Sorry. My bad. You're projecting complete nonsense out of your extremely voluminous sphincter again, aren't you?
you refuse to acknowledge your hammering in debate
Rather you refuse to acknowledge your serious mental health disorder.
ban me for correcting your nonsense
I banned you for launching into a tirade of abuse and upvoting your own post four times. I explained this to you in the actual thread, my good chum.
as in your vicious attack on a woman for merely asking you a question
Please spare us your unscrupulously dishonest, brazen appeals to emotion. It's like you are reading the Bad Conservative Propaganda Handbook. Firstly, nobody was "attacked" and much less "viciously". I wrote a rude reply. Secondly -- as you are well aware -- the person I wrote a rude reply to indicated to me she was a woman for the first time only two posts after I wrote this rude reply. Thirdly, the reason I wrote the rude reply is because I suspected the account to belong to a concern troll. Your mention of this specific incident twice within the past 24 hours now causes me to believe I may have been correct, and that this account is yet another belonging to you.
You are an utter joke. Your childishness, dishonesty and complete lack of intellect are only going to drive people into my corner, so if you had an iota of common sense you'd simply shut your big idiotic mouth instead of using it to dig your own grave.
Of course it is π You set up 4 accounts to support your 9/11 lunacy , the minute anyone makes a comment up you come with one of your alt accounts to back your sad arguments up .
You're full of shit aren't you ?
So still sore I corrected you on your stupidity regarding Jesus .... got ya π
Accusing me of what you do is typical of you ; if what you say is true how come upvotes aren't showing where you claim they are you fucking troll ?
So the cowardly dog you are attacking a woman now accuse her of being an alt account ..... we got us another conspiracy theory π
You're a coward , a retard , a truther , a compulsive liar , a troll and a keyboard warrior .... you're also incredibly stupid but you know that
You set up 4 accounts to support your 9/11 lunacy , the minute anyone makes a comment up you come with one of your alt accounts to back your sad arguments up .
Have you ever considered the possibility that people agree with me simply because you're a ridiculous liar who can't maintain a coherent argument? You are an intellectually deficient troll who espouses bizarre conspiracy theories while at the same time you call other people conspiracy theorists for disputing them.
Your modus operandi is a simple one: lie, distort, repeat.
I've seen no one agree with your delusions you idiotic troll ; the minute you post a reply on your 'debate ' along comes one of your alt accounts to support your nonsense .
Your much loved Niels Harrit is another nut case just like you his claims have been rubbished , a little piece from International sceptics .......
I came across a Danish interview of Niels Harrit today, from the program 'Good Morning Denmark' April 07, 2009.
I could not believe the total rubbish that he was putting out there. Starting with a complete denial that the plane impacts and fires had anything to do with the WTC tower collapses !?! he behaved like a person untouched by reality.
The most astonishing and disturbing statements he made were these: (according to the translation)
'There has never been a forensic investigation of this event. (9/11)
No evidence has been put forward. No one has been formally charged.
The police and FBI have not charged anyone, and no-one is 'wanted'.
So who is crazy here?' He asks in response to the interviewer's question.
He seems unaware of Khalid Shiek Mohammed, who I think was at the top of the FBI's most wanted list.
And oblivious to the trial of Zacharias Mousawi, the '20th hijacker'.
He seems oblivious to a great deal of truth and reality. Must be nice being a leader in the 9/11 truth movement - you can just say whatever you like without any real evidence, and the truther cult laps it up like warm milk.
There's not much truth in 9/11 truth it seems.
Just for the record - Niels Harrit als believes that the Pentagon hole has a size of 4.6 x 5.5 meter and he recommends DRGs "New Pearl Harbor". Read his "9/11 - A roadblock or a shortcut to peace and democracy?" In a german interview at gulli.com he also states that the bomb-sniffing dogs at WTC were removed two weeks before 9/11 and UL certified the WTC steel.
Clearly an archetypal truther with a bunch of strange ideas.
You're nothing but a troll ........
To demonstrate how insane you are , now you accuse those who shoot holes in your bizzare conspiracy plot of being ......conspiracy theorists πππ
Your modus operandi is .... post up you tube conspiracy plot videos labelling them as facts , ignore actual facts , never answer valid questions , constantly change your story and rely on testimony from a janitor who's changed his story 11 times .. got ya π
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The onion (Allium cepa L., from Latin cepa "onion"), also known as the bulb onion or common onion, is a vegetable and is the most widely cultivated species of the genus Allium. Its close relatives include the garlic, shallot, leek, chive,[2] and Chinese onion.[3]
This genus also contains several other species variously referred to as onions and cultivated for food, such as the Japanese bunching onion (Allium fistulosum), the tree onion (A. Γproliferum), and the Canada onion (Allium canadense). The name "wild onion" is applied to a number of Allium species, but A. cepa is exclusively known from cultivation. Its ancestral wild original form is not known, although escapes from cultivation have become established in some regions.[4] The onion is most frequently a biennial or a perennial plant, but is usually treated as an annual and harvested in its first growing season.
The onion plant has a fan of hollow, bluish-green leaves and its bulb at the base of the plant begins to swell when a certain day-length is reached. The bulbs are composed of shortened, compressed, underground stems surrounded by fleshy modified scale (leaves) that envelop a central bud at the tip of the stem. In the autumn (or in spring, in the case of overwintering onions), the foliage dies down and the outer layers of the bulb become dry and brittle. The crop is harvested and dried and the onions are ready for use or storage. The crop is prone to attack by a number of pests and diseases, particularly the onion fly, the onion eelworm, and various fungi cause rotting. Some varieties of A. cepa, such as shallots and potato onions, produce multiple bulbs.
Onions are cultivated and used around the world. As a food item, they are usually served cooked, as a vegetable or part of a prepared savoury dish, but can also be eaten raw or used to make pickles or chutneys. They are pungent when chopped and contain certain chemical substances which irritate the eyes.
So... "there was a magical thing that never began"
That is the third time you have described quantum singularities as "magical" and you have consistently refused to explain why you are using this word to describe them. Furthermore, how can something "begin" in a place where there is no time? Time is a dimension of our own universe, and as such there is no evidence that it predates our universe.
Someone that worked as a mental health social worker told me that if someone talks to God then they are religious but if they hear God talk back then they are crazy. It shows that mental health workers, even if they are Christian, know deep down that Christianity doesn't make sense - God isn't real and can't talk to you.
Well if one social worker said that... yes I'm convinced now. Obviously a social worker knows all about psychology, despite having no license to prescribe meds. Obviously a social worker is an expert on science and quantum physics. Not.
If someone came to you telling you that God had told them to do certain tasks - would you think they were crazy or not? I wasn't saying she was an authority but rather that she made a good point of how we react to these type of people.
It's already been observed that Christianity's exceptionalism here is a consequence of its quantity of adherents rather than the substance and quality of its beliefs. However, I would add that the ability of Christianity (and other popular religions) to prevent their classification as a mental illness is also owing to the unsoundness of the (popular) concept of mental illness.
That the concept of insanity includes measurement against the criteria of normalcy is indefensible, but persistent. Even were a statistical average actually determined, it wouldn't correspond with actual normalcy in the human population. But beyond that, normalcy doesn't bear any positive relation to the other criteria that establish sanity - that it be reasonable, not cause suffering, etc. It's a muddled concept that's historically been far more about judgement and condemnation of difference than about well-being or reason (little surprise, perhaps, that it's so friendly to ideological belief).
Where is it noted or said that Jesus is still alive?
Well, there is a Christian Baptist Church at the end of my road, and outside there is a big poster which reads: "Jesus, the Son of God, died and rose to life, hence defeating death."