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 Why Is The Belief That Jesus Is Still Alive Not Considered A Mental Illness? (41)

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Why Is The Belief That Jesus Is Still Alive Not Considered A Mental Illness?

While the belief that Napoleon is still alive IS considered a (serious) mental illness?

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Why is the belief that nothing can create something or that an infinite regress of causes is possible not considered a mental illness?

Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Why is the belief that nothing can create something or that an infinite regress of causes is possible not considered a mental illness?

This is a purposefully false straw man argument. Atheists believe the universe was created by the big bang, which in turn was caused by a quantum singularity which had always existed. Furthermore, your stupid straw man argument assumes the laws of this universe applied before this universe existed (i.e. can't create something from nothing)

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which in turn was caused by a quantum singularity which had always existed

1)Theorize what said "singularty" is.

2)Explain to us why giving the singularity consciousness and a mind is a "mental illness.

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I've never called it a mental illness, but then, I've never called a belief in ghosts a mental illness. It's a belief, and one has the right to believe what he/she wants to believe.

I DO NOT believe Jesus lives, and that is MY right.

By the way. The only thing I'm "despairing" is that we elected this idiot in the White House!

Negligentt(397) Disputed
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Good. When the mentally insane are feeling weirded out, that's a sign of progress. Other than a theoretical Russia conspiracy, you have nothing on him. Does he take a salary? No. Is the economy good? Yes. Is the market at record heights? Yes. Have we had a jihadist attack? No. Did he demand a healthcare bill to sign? Yes. Your hate is just that. Hate. Chinagate with Bill Clinton was proven. You probably didn't flinch.

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It's not impossible Napolean was Jesus reincarnated, in which case they're one and the same. Maybe Napolean's hand was always in his jacket because he could feel the invisible spiritual wound where the spear had lanced him?

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Because the only difference between a religion and a psychotic cult is the number of adherents.

If one person says they think a piece of bread can be turned into the flesh of a man who died two thousand years ago, in the throat, just by the power of belief, they are crazy. But if a billion people believe it, they're just devout Catholics.

For all intents and purposes, unwavering belief in the fairy-tales of Christianity fits the definition of mental illness, but it just so happens that human societies are built upon mob mentality. If the social majority are the crazies, then the crazies get to define normative standards, which is why in America it's considered a bit 'deviant' to be an atheist: Christians make up the majority of the citizens.

I personally do consider fervent religious belief a form of severe delusional thinking, as would most of the prominent psychology theorists. What tangible relationship to reality has the completely ludicrous belief that bread eaten on a Sunday in a church turns into the flesh of Jesus Christ? It's a completely falsifiable belief, yet, a few hundred years ago, it would be tantamount to a crime against the state to argue so.

Yes, Atheism, AKA the belief that there was no first chicken, is a mental illness.

Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Yes, Atheism, AKA the belief that there was no first chicken, is a mental illness.

Your god is a chicken and atheists are the mentally ill ones? LOL.

Your logical fallacy is: believing the universe had to be created and could not have happened otherwise.

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So explain to us the magical "singularity". What is it? What is it like? Does it have a mind? Did it manifest the heavens and the earth? Is its name "I Am"?

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Consciously choosing despair over hope is a mental illness. It's called a negative psychological loop and is what the op has. There's a reason people with faith live longer and heal more often.

Quantumhead(749) Disputed
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Consciously choosing despair over hope is a mental illness.

Not when "hope" requires you to abandon your own sanity, you buffoon. By that logic I'd be mentally ill to go to work in the morning instead of running backwards around a fairy circle seven times in the hope it sent me to Narnia.

Negligentt(397) Disputed
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There are many reasons based on logic and reality that we believe. You either do not know what they are or are purposefully ignoring them. They are presented on this site all of the time. You still haven't responded to why atheism is a mental disorder because you can't. There is no logical atheist response to the regress of infinite causes vs something from nothing fiasco that is atheism. You also did not respond to longer life spans of believers.

Your analogy about work is ignorant at best. You have to go to work. You choose to be an atheist. Not even almost the same thing.

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Someone that worked as a mental health social worker told me that if someone talks to God then they are religious but if they hear God talk back then they are crazy. It shows that mental health workers, even if they are Christian, know deep down that Christianity doesn't make sense - God isn't real and can't talk to you.

Negligentt(397) Disputed
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Well if one social worker said that... yes I'm convinced now. Obviously a social worker knows all about psychology, despite having no license to prescribe meds. Obviously a social worker is an expert on science and quantum physics. Not.

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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If someone came to you telling you that God had told them to do certain tasks - would you think they were crazy or not? I wasn't saying she was an authority but rather that she made a good point of how we react to these type of people.

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It's already been observed that Christianity's exceptionalism here is a consequence of its quantity of adherents rather than the substance and quality of its beliefs. However, I would add that the ability of Christianity (and other popular religions) to prevent their classification as a mental illness is also owing to the unsoundness of the (popular) concept of mental illness.

That the concept of insanity includes measurement against the criteria of normalcy is indefensible, but persistent. Even were a statistical average actually determined, it wouldn't correspond with actual normalcy in the human population. But beyond that, normalcy doesn't bear any positive relation to the other criteria that establish sanity - that it be reasonable, not cause suffering, etc. It's a muddled concept that's historically been far more about judgement and condemnation of difference than about well-being or reason (little surprise, perhaps, that it's so friendly to ideological belief).

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Because America, the most powerful country in the world, is basically a theocracy.

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Where is it noted or said that Jesus is still alive?=Interesting subject

Quantumhead(749) Clarified
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Where is it noted or said that Jesus is still alive?

Well, there is a Christian Baptist Church at the end of my road, and outside there is a big poster which reads: "Jesus, the Son of God, died and rose to life, hence defeating death."