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Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud Wage Gap is Real/Legitimate
Debate Score:10
Total Votes:10
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 Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud (3)
 Wage Gap is Real/Legitimate (1)

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Why Men Earn More

"Controversial and exhaustively researched, gender expert Warren Farrell's latest book Why Men Earn More takes as its stunning argument the idea that bias-based unequal pay for women is largely a myth, and that women are most often paid less than men not because they are discriminated against, but because they have made lifestyle choices that affect their ability to earn.

Why Men Earn More argues that while discrimination sometimes plays a part, both men and women unconsciously make trade-offs that affect how much they earn. Farrell clearly defines the 25 different workplace choices that affect women's and men's incomes -- including putting in more hours at work, taking riskier jobs or more hazardous assignments, being willing to change location, and training for technical jobs that involve less people contact -- and provides readers with specific, research-supported ways for women to earn higher pay.

Why Men Earn More, with its brashness in the face of political correctness, is sure to ignite a storm of media controversy that will help to make this thoroughly pragmatic expose Warren Farrell's next bestseller."




Is the Gender Wage Gap a Myth/Fraud based on flawed methodology?  Or is it real and legitimate?  Thoughts on the Gender Wage Gap and Warren Farrell's arguments in "Why Men Earn More"?

Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud

Side Score: 9

Wage Gap is Real/Legitimate

Side Score: 1
3 points

I'm a girl and the wage gap isn't a myth or a fraud, but there is more to the story.

The wage gap between men and women don't see that women (NOT ALL) typically desire lower paying jobs like being a teacher while men usually aspire jobs that are naturally paid higher. They also forget to mention that many women have children and have to leave their work place for a while and they don't get paid the entire time when they're on maternity leave.

Side: Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud
xMathFanx(1620) Clarified
1 point


Right. So first, I am sorry if I worded the debate in a confusing manner. What is meant by "myth/fraud" is not that it is not accurate that women's salaries on average are about 80% of men's. Rather it is stating, is the "equal pay for equal work" a fraud (due to some of the factors you listed as well as others)?

That is, yes, men earn more, but is that simply because on average they work harder (more dangerous, labor intensive) jobs for longer hours, have more STEM and Business interests/pursuits, are more ambitious in the workplace, ect while women's efforts tend to be placed elsewhere (e.g. different career paths, raising children, ect.) that doesn't translate into the same kind of financial success OR is it due to large scale societal Patriarchy, oppression (in this respect), ect.?

Side: Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud
1 point

Hello x:

Some people forget that we ENSLAVED black people when they wonder WHY black unemployment is way higher than white people.

Those same people forget the role women played in our recent history when they ask WHY women don't earn the same as men..

Context matters..


Side: Wage Gap is Real/Legitimate
3 points

they wonder WHY black unemployment is way higher than white people

Yeah, except white and black people don't have to be permanently poor, and no system is working against you to keep you down so you keep getting poorer and America's economy gets weaker and weaker. There are three, humiliatingly easy steps you need to follow to not stay permanently poor in the United States:

1. Graduate from high school

2. Don't have children out of wedlock

3. Maintain a full-time job

98% of people who follow these steps never remain permanently poor, so only 2% of people were permanently poor after following these steps. I won't say that minorities have problems with steps 1 and 3, but black single parents made up 66% of the total in 2016 with Hispanic single parents made up 42% of the total in that same year.

So, in short, that's why the black unemployment rate is way higher than white people, and it has nothing to do with the wage gap myth.

Supporting Evidence: Single-parent family statistics by race (
Side: Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud
achilles_(51) Disputed
3 points

Men earn more because they work harder, and work for longer hours than women. Women would work the same job, but do less work and spend less time. When you say "we" enslaved black people, that's kind of a false statement. Slavery has been abolished for over One hundred and fifty years and there were different people back then, with different views. But not all people back then promoted slavery. Black unemployment is higher because some black people don't have the best education, others tend to underperform in standardized tests, and also 1 in 3 black men spend time behind bars during their lives.

Side: Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud
michelle02(37) Clarified
2 points

It's kind of funny how you say "we ENSLAVED black people".

By "we" I'm going to guess you're trying saying white people and I just want to say I didn't enslave anybody. Our ancestors don't always represent America and the same goes for other places.

Hitler was German but I don't go around Germany saying "you people KILLED the Jews!!"

Side: Wage Gap is a Myth/Fraud