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Why The Cops Won't Help You When You're Getting Stabbed

Why The Cops Won't Help You When You're Getting Stabbed



Hence, the need for an absolute right for self-defense under the law, as well as the ability to carry force multiplying tools.

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There's a lot going on here. I'm going to argue that the cops were not necessarily wrong. But I will agree with the point, that they may not help you.

The cops may not have been as wrong as this guy believes they are. When the man approached, they asked who he was. They didn't necessarily get a picture of this guy before they were placed on that train for extra attention. Very shortly after that, question, the man was assaulting an innocent bystander (Joe). While his play by play took a little time to tell, it likely two a few short seconds to actually play out. In that short time, the cops have to decide what to do. Do they get into a gun fight (believing he had a gun) on a crowded train without shooting from a position of cover? Maybe, maybe not. They apparently choose cover. Should they go shoot the guy with the knife? If they did, other people, especially Joe would have been in very real risk of being shot as well. I'm not saying the cops did it right, I'm just saying that it may not have been as wrong as presented.

I saw a video some time back of a man stabbing another man repeatedly while people around, including the woman with the camera, shouted in horror. The first officer arrived, approached with gun drawn shouting commands, and fired a very well aimed shot at close distance from a specifically safe angle where no one else was behind the gun. When I tried to look up that video, I found one where the police shot the man with the knife who had a hostage. The hostage is dead now too.

All that being said, the police cannot be said to have a legal duty to protect you. There are too many situations where people get injured or killed, and they wouldn't if the cop had done something different, but the cop believed he was being reasonable at the time. If the courts maintained a duty to protect, then police would be sued over every failure to protect. That's why there is a precedent against having a legal duty. That's why the Parkland officer who failed to address the school shooting is a coward, and is socially shamed, and is out of a job, but is not legally liable.

The only possible reason I can think of that the officers did not render aid is because he was not squirting or gushing blood and they already called for an ambulance. If that's the case, then he was not at risk of dying, but helping him would put them at risk of blood-borne pathogens.

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2 points

In 2015, 10,265 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (29%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

So you tell me with each child dying from a drunk driver, why the Left is not all over the media pretending to be outraged over these innocent children's deaths? Do you have any idea how many more children are killed by drunk drivers than by guns in schools?

Where is the outrage and demand for alcohol regulations and back ground checks in public bars, nightclubs, etc.

If the real reasons for more gun control legislation is to save lives, why won't the Left propose laws mandating back ground checks in public places that sell alcohol to possible repeat DWI offenders?

I don't want this, but if your goal is to save lives with all your anti Gun rhetoric, you should be over joyed to save many thousands more lives by having background checks on people before buying alcohol in public places.

Do you have any idea how many times repeat DWI drivers continue to drink and drive? Approximately 40% of drunk drivers are repeat offenders! They drive even when their licenses are revoked!

The only way to prevent this is to do a background check before they buy that weapon of death.....ALCOHOL!

Wait, what you say? You say you don't want to be inconvenienced by background checks when buying alcohol? You say you are a law abiding citizen who would never drink and drive?

You say you don't want to pay more for alcohol to pay for those background checks for past DWI drivers?

I THOUGHT YOUR GOAL WAS TO SAVE LIVES? You expect law abiding citizens to pay more and put up with all the inconvenience from your anti gun legislation, but when it comes to your alcohol...... HANDS OFF?

A drunk driver behind the wheels of a car happens millions of times more often than some lunatic with a gun! The odds of you or your loved one being killed by a drunk driver is far higher than the odds of being shot at a concert or Church.

You are hypocrites and total jokes. You prove you could not care less about saving lives. You final goal is to take our guns.

You always spew your ludicrous reasoning why only guns should be singled out to save lives. A police state is just fine as long as it only controls one particular weapon of death..... the gun.

You say we already have alcohol restrictions? Yes, and we already have gun restrictions. You can't buy a gun under age, the same as alcohol. We can't shoot people, you can't hunt near public places and you can not drink and drive. BUT PEOPLE STILL DO IT!

IT'S NOT THE WEAPON OF CHOICE, BUT THE PERSON BEHIND THAT WEAPON. Use the brain God gave you and start addressing why people grow up to be criminals, or become irresponsible drinkers who have no problem drinking and driving.

Start addressing the core problem instead of their weapon of choice.

Side: Positive
2 points

Some General Thoughts

The Police force physical "standards" and preparation is severely lacking, with high consequences. Bench pressing 50% of ones body weight is not a "standard", nor is 16+ minute 1.5 mile, etc. etc. The issue is, people who fit that mark, have no choice but to pull out their gun as a first & last resort as they would be unable to wrestle/control anyone nor chase down on foot--as well as a generally higher stress level for all interactions due to lower competence. Or, as in this case, stay entirely out of the conflict, contrary to the job title.

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Hi MathFan.

Can you explain why all of the right's arguments involve trying to convince people to be afraid?

Could you walk out of your house tomorrow morning and get raped by a knife-wielding maniac wearing a clown suit?

Sure.

But is it likely?

Does such an unlikely event balance out the 30,000 completely preventable deaths which occur each year in the US because of mass shootings, homicides, suicides, accidental discharges and stray bullets?

Well, let's see. On one side we have something which might happen but which is incredibly unlikely. And on the other we have a grand total of millions of people who ultimately died for no other reason than because guns are legal to possess in the US.

In fact, the statistics show very clearly that guns are used significantly more in crime than they are in self-defence, so on one side you get a few lives which would not ordinarily have been spared, while on the other you get many more lives which would not ordinarily have been taken.

I have reached the conclusion, after many years of discussing this issue, that Americans have a block on reasoning when it comes to guns, which operates much the same way as the block on reasoning religious people have when it comes to science.

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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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The hypocrite who does not want back ground checks in public bars or nightclubs, to prevent possible DWI drivers from killing more people then murderers with guns.

You don't want to be inconvenienced when it comes to your alcohol. You don't want to pay more for restrictions. You would say what gun owners say. You would say you are not a drunk driver so why should you be restricted. Yes and we are not murderers when we buy our guns!

What do you fear more, some mass murderer with a gun, or some drunk driver?

If you had one ounce of honesty, you would admit the truth, BUT YOU WON'T!

Side: Positive