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Pyramid Scam Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
Debate Score:21
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Why, Under Capitalism, Are All The Bottom Feeders At The Top?

Just wondering.

I'm sure the crooked right will be along shortly to warp reality like it were jell-O. 

God Nomenclature, you're such an idiot. Obviously the people with no money are the ones leeching off the system. Blah, blah, blah...

Pyramid Scam

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Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins

Side Score: 7
2 points

Actually, the only socioeconomic systems which don't have bottom feeders at the top would be monarchies with feudalism, and that's only because by definition the bottom feeders are at the bottom of that pyramid.

Side: Pyramid Scam
1 point

Have you ever substantiated a claim that you've made with evidence? All I've ever seen from you are unsupported assertions.

Side: Pyramid Scam
0 points

Have you ever substantiated a claim that you've made with evidence?

Basic common sense is my evidence. If the money is at the top then why would the bottom feeders be at the bottom? That's kind of like saying the water is at the top but the horses drinking it are at the bottom.

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
1 point

That is an irrefutable truthful and logical statement which only a highly qualified anthropologist and caring human being could have formulated.

I take my hat off to you sir.

Your clearly expressed sagacity opens the eyes of those misguided turnip heads who are labouring under the misapprehension that people with ambition, ability, drive, talent and maybe even genius elevates them automatically into the premier league of high earners.

What needs to happen urgently is for someone with your undoubted sociological mastery and business acumen to compile and publish a comprehensive exposition describing how the western economies would flourish and prosper further and more fairly under the principles of;- each person contributing and receiving according to their needs and ability, and all property being owned by the community.

Such a publication could be entitled;- COMMUNISM.

Side: Pyramid Scam
0 points

Your clearly expressed sagacity opens the eyes of those misguided turnip heads who are labouring under the misapprehension that people with ambition, ability, drive, talent and maybe even genius elevates them automatically into the premier league of high earners

I think all that time you are spending on Thesaurus.Com has caused you to miss a rather basic point. People earn money in pyramid scams. Some people earn lots of money in pyramid scams. However, that doesn't make pyramid scams a good thing.

Trust me on this point. There is no combination of words or convolution of language you can create, which will make it OK for people to steal the sweat off your back. If I work 40 hours a week and generate 5,000 dollars profit, I am not onto a good thing if I go home with 200.

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
1 point

Are you confused ? Thought the top feeders were living off the bottom feeders that buy their products and you must be one because you bought a computer.

Side: Pyramid Scam
1 point

Simple. Because the bottom feeders follow the money current, and THAT is all flowing to the TOP!

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
Chinaman(358) Disputed
1 point

Al the money flows from the top to the bottom. Capitalism creates employment are you blind to it ?

Side: Pyramid Scam
AlofRI(1839) Clarified
1 point

Guess I must be, I've been around a LONG time and haven't seen that happen. How is YOUR eyesight? We ALL know corporations have been making RECORD profits for years The SM was hitting all time highs for the last several years, the median income of the middle class hasn't been "trickled upon". There were record profits under Clinton several years after Reagan set the "trickle" in motion, still, wages didn't get a drip! not under the Bush's, not under Obama. Almost 20 years with conservatives in control of Congress much of that time. Are you blind to it?? CEO's were asked a few days ago if they would invest in America if this tax farce went through ... there were no takers. Are you blind to that also?? (Probably didn't mention it on FAUX.)

Side: Pyramid Scam

The aliens support controlled competition (AKA centrist capitalism). Why always it has to be communism vs capitalism? Why can you not support a West-European style leadership?

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
0 points

The resolution implies that every single person at the top is a "bottom feeder". The amount of bottom feeders at the top can be debated, however it is indisputable that not all people at the top are bottom feeders.

The top 1% is always changing. Reports show only 5.8% of people in the top 1% will be in it for 2 or more years. If the resolution, that everyone at the top is a bottom feeder, is true, then that means anyone who has won the lottery, inherited a large sum of money, or just worked hard to get where they are at, would be labeled as a bottom feeder.

For these reasons I argue that the resolution brought forth, expresses a "begging the question fallacy". The resolution asks a question, but for the question to be valid, it must already be assumed the the claim "All bottom feeders are at the top" is true and factual, which it is not.

Furthermore the resolution implies that there are no bottom feeders at the bottom, which is simply an oxymoron. I believe I have presented multiple knock down arguments with my case.

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
2 points

It assumes that all bottom feeders are at the top, not that all at the top are bottom feeders.

Side: Pyramid Scam

It assumes that all bottom feeders are at the top, not that all at the top are bottom feeders.

Exactly. Thank you.

Side: Pyramid Scam
1 point

The resolution implies that every single person at the top is a "bottom feeder".

No it doesn't. This conversation isn't going to go well if you can't understand English.

The top 1% is always changing. Reports show only 5.8% of people in the top 1% will be in it for 2 or more years.

You are confused. Hirsch's research concerns the top one percent of wealth earners, not the top one percent of wealth owners.

The resolution asks a question, but for the question to be valid, it must already be assumed the the claim "All bottom feeders are at the top" is true and factual, which it is not.

Clearly it is factual, which is why you have been unable to disprove it despite boring us with four paragraphs of mindless nonsense.

Side: Pyramid Scam
KingHarris(19) Disputed
1 point

You claim that the statement "all bottom feeders are at the top" is factual, when having presented no evidence. You state how I am unable to disprove this because I haven't provided any evidence, however in this case, the burden of evidence is on the one making the statement, not the one denying it.

For example take the statement "All hard working people are at the top". To realize this statement is false only takes a basic level of intellectual ability and common sense. The current resolution at hand falls under the same problem. Having known only one bottom feeder who is not at the top, falsifies the statement that "all bottom feeders are at the top".

You have yet to address my observation that the resolution is begging the question. The resolution is still based off of a falsifiable claim, which was clearly the main contention in my argument, however you spent time cherry picking the few parts you found easiest to refute. I challenge you to DIRECTLY address this claim: "The resolution contains a begging the questing fallacy, because it contains a falsifiable claim"

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins
0 points

Hello N:

You've got your nomenclature wrong.. Capitalism doesn't cause bottom feeders to rise to the top.. Crony capitalism does.. That's when the bottom feeder businessman CAN'T compete in the market place, so he asks his congressman to pass a law that INSURES his profit even though he isn't deserving of it..

So, what we got here in America, is crony capitalism run wild, which is cheating in anybody's nomenclature.

excon

Side: Free Market Liberty 72 Virgins