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Why are gay people almost always liberal?

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A very good reason, they won't be accepted, otherwise. As liberals, they can be accepted even as Christians if they wish to be. As human beings, not as "abominations" ... because liberals believe in non-alternative facts, not what some radical idiot drums into their head. It's too bad everyone can't be just what the religious right wants them to be, but ...... no, it isn't. (Now, THAT is an alternative fact I can believe in!)

Side: A good reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
3 points

it's too bad everyone can't be just what the religious right wants them to be

Religious right is a pretty sketchy, deceptive use of words. Many right wingers are atheists, most black religious people vote Democrat, and most Catholics vote Democrat.

Both sides are heavily religious and heavily Christian. Anyone not Christian on either side is the exception.

Side: A stupid reason
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

I totally agree and am glad to hear someone else state that there are Christians on the left as well as atheists on the right. However, the "religious right" is a GROUP of organizations working toward "small, CONTROLABLE government" that they feel will be easier to swing toward a new Constitution, Biblically based that will make America a one religion country ... like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc.

I highly recommend a book written by a right winger disenchanted BY the religious right. It's called: "Religious Right...The Greatest Threat To Democracy" It can be downloaded for a couple of bucks. Written by an early follower OF the Religious Right...and scared of what is happening.

I have nothing against Christians, as long as they keep religion OUT of politics, as was intended by the founders.

Edit: Cancel that "totally", there are too many non-Christians to call them "the exception", millions, especially if you include those who almost never go to church and don't agree (totally) with Christian doctrine ... the CYA Christians.

Side: A good reason
marcusmoon(576) Disputed
1 point

As liberals, they can be accepted even as Christians if they wish to be. As human beings, not as "abominations" ...

Most Christians don't particularly care. Sure they may think that homosexuality is a sin, but they also think speeding is a sin. That doesn't mean they would screw with gays any more than with people who exceed the posted speed limit.

There were multiple gay people in the congregation (Lutheran) I grew up in, and nobody cared.

In reality, the religious right is just a loud but tiny group. Even if those intolerant bastards were not Christian, they would still be judgmental assholes.

A very good reason, they won't be accepted, otherwise.

Face it, the Left has a lot of judgmental assholes, too. Religion has nothing to do with it.

What is weird is that once the myth started that gays tend to be liberal, it almost became a requirement. If they break ranks, lots of lefties accuse them of being traitors. (Despite the fact that who you have sex with is completely unrelated to your preferences about tax policy or entitlements.)

This is why so few gay conservatives come out of the conservative closet. They get too much crap for it.I know a flaming Southern gay guy who told me he got more crap from liberals who were offended by the fact that his dick did not hang to the left than he ever got from Baptists for being gay.

Side: A stupid reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
1 point

because liberals believe in non-alternative facts, not what some radical idiot drums into their head

The coverage of Trump in the liberal media is 95% negative on Trump. It was 10% negative on Obama. Why this matters is that Trump has nothing on his resume of 'screw ups' that looks like Obama's list of screw ups. This means that you are believing a hand picked liberal media narrative created with the goal of deception.

Side: A stupid reason
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

The negative coverage of Trump is not as political as revengeful. Calling very good journalists, with very good records ... fake news and liars ... will get you a LOT of bad press. Anyone deserves the right to defend themselves. You denounce somebody's integrity, you leave yourself open to reprisal. And when it's sooo easy to dig up old statements PROVING one to be a liar (That are rarely shown on what he calls "real news"), you're like a two legged chair ... not a very "stable" genius at all.

Keep Tweeting, Trump, you're to stupid to know when to stop digging.

Side: A good reason
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Liberal ideology is the ideology that supports them having the freedom to live their lives as they choose. Far as I can tell, the Republican party hates the idea. Why would a gay person support the party that hates them?

Side: A good reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
1 point

All of those Democrat voting Muslims love them some gays.*

Side: A stupid reason

Perhaps because conservatives have attempted to destroy our community for decades?

Side: A good reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
1 point

Conservatives aren't committing mass crime or creating sanctuary cities that protect felons and illegal aliens/gang activity. That would be the left doing that.

Side: A stupid reason
KrutonHybrid(71) Disputed
1 point

Conservatives aren't committing mass crime

Yes they are you complete idiot. The only reason you don't know about it is because they scream bloody murder about blacks robbing liquor stores every time someone points out their own white collar crimes. Morons like you are exactly how Conservatives get away with so much. They use your prejudice and racism to manipulate you and because you're a moron you let them do it.

In 2003, Conservatives launched a CRIMINAL war in Iraq which killed nearly a million people. But you just keep talking about that carjacking you saw two poor black teenagers commit last month, you dumb bag of shit.

Side: A good reason
NicolasCage(505) Disputed
1 point

What relevance does that have to my comment or to this debate?

Side: A good reason
1 point

Because the republican party is against gay marriage, that's why.

Side: A good reason
1 point

Usually people pick the side that doesn't want to beat or kill them. .............................................................

Side: A good reason
0 points

Hello D,

Lemme see. Let’s say you were green. Would you choose a political party that HATES green people, or LOVES green people?

excon

Side: A good reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
5 points

So how do all of those millions of Muslims voting Democrat feel about gay people excon?

I'm on the right, and have no problem with gay people. Why is that do you think? In real life I've never met a conservative that hates gay people.

Trump even waved the lgbtq rainbow flag and spoke in support of them at his rallies.

Side: A stupid reason
Cocopops(347) Clarified
3 points

'No reply was the answer'.

You're not supposed to throw a ''disorientation grenade'' into the midst of the liberal's world of self righteous smugness.

Side: A good reason
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

To most, on the left, there are more reasons than ONE to make them vote the way they do. Right wingers to often choose ONE topic to get their narrow minds into. (Sorry to hear you don't have a real life, or that you are blind AND deaf .. whichever).

The Chameleon Trump will wave ANY flag that will get him a cheer at whichever rally he happens to be at. An hour later he will tear the flag down with a tweet when he communicates with his "base" (ment)!

Side: A good reason
PresTrump(8) Disputed
3 points

I'm for green people. I love our green brothers and sisters. Nobody is more pro greens than me. Believe me. Too much anti green hate. It is sad.

Side: A stupid reason
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marcusmoon(576) Clarified
1 point

Ave,

Also most gay people are socially liberal. But gay people can of course be fiscally conservative and many are.

I appreciate that you broke conservative and liberal into two aspects. I would add Constitutional to social and fiscal*.

What is interesting is that social liberal would normally be a better match with Constitutionally conservative. The philosophy that the government may only do what is specifically called out in the Constitution as a governmental power would mean that the Federal government could make no laws regarding recreational drug use, marriage, health choices, etc. Obviously this is also a good match with fiscal conservatism because the less the government does, the less it costs.

This would be an expected fit with the general Republican thing, but because of the loudness of the Religious Right and the Nixon/Reagan roots in the war on drugs, there is this weird traditional morality that often seeps into the Republican party.

By the same token, Constitutional liberals (its meaning may change over time, and the government can do anything the Constitution does not expressly prohibit) is a good match with fiscal liberalism, because all that stuff government is permitted to do costs money. This matches well with the Democrat party. This tendency toward government funded programs leads naturally to government meddling in people's lives, which I would normally expect to drive social conservatism. Instead, it seems to have driven toward a militant social "liberalism" that centers around promotion of particular approved social activities and attitudes, and restriction of any activities based on other views.

The odd result is that NEITHER the Democrat nor Republican party machines and platforms actually support any real social freedom to think and behave as you like without some sort of government intervention in personal relationships, medical decisions, etc.

This phenomenon that both main parties actively work to suppress social freedom (Republicans toward orthodoxy of "traditional" values, and Democrats toward orthodoxy of "leftist" values).

Side: A good reason
3 points

Many of them would have fairly Republican ideas if they Weren’t pretty sure the Republican Party hates them.

Side: A stupid reason
2 points

I am a gay conservative. My sexuality has very little to do with my party identification now that marriage equality is now recognized as the universal human right that it is. The GOP isn't going to say I can't kiss my boyfriend in public anymore. It isn't 2004.

I do, however, have a big problem with the far right of the Republican Party. The Trump wing. Trump-style "conservatives" are more likely to espouse hateful views, and I have been on the receiving end of quite a bit more homophobia from Trumpists than I have been from any other conservatives. The silent majority of conservatives are accepting. Look at Dick Cheney. Cheney is the definition of a solid modern-day conservative, and since his daughter came out, he's been fully on board with LGBT equality.

The founder of the conservative movement supported gay rights before it was even a mainstream issue! Barry Goldwater, the patron saint of limited government, interventionist conservatism. was a vocal supporter of gay rights as far back as the late 1980s, when Republicans and Democrats alike either stayed away from the issue or were openly homophobic.

President Reagan was well known in Hollywood circles as being perfectly accepting of gay people. He was far from the evil homophobe many paint him to be. When Rock Hudson, an old friend of the Reagans, was featured in a tabloid questioning his sexuality (Hudson was gay), Ronald simply explained to his children that some men fall in love with men rather than women, and vice-versa, and that it was a perfectly normal thing.

If the two biggest figures of the conservative movement were pro-gay, what is there not to like about conservatism?

Side: A stupid reason
NicolasCage(505) Clarified
1 point

Not a conservative myself, but I think this is an excellent answer.

Now that there's finally equality in marriage, I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more LGBT conservatives since it won't be associated with being the political ideology which goes against the gays.

I don't like it when I see fellow left-wingers attacking gay conservatives for "abandoning" their community. If they're not supporting a conservative politician or cause which actively goes against homosexuality (like someone such as Milo Yiannopoulos, who outright states he believes homosexuality is a choice), then I don't see the issue with a gay person being conservative.

Side: A good reason
1 point

One of my friends is not only Republican but a Trump lover. He's gay and nearly everyone in his family Republican. The other two that I'm friends with are either in the middle or liberal. I think mostly it's because Republicans don't want them to get married or have a union that involves the same rights as marriage. That really depends on the state though.

Side: A stupid reason
PresTrump(8) Disputed
1 point

I'm for the gays. We love our gay brothers and sisters. I have a rainbow flag. It is yuge. MAGA

Side: A good reason
1 point

Because groups that have been victims or convinced of victimhood become liberals.

Side: A stupid reason
NicolasCage(505) Disputed
1 point

Correct - because the people who have made them victims in the past are conservatives.

Side: A good reason
OmegaPan(710) Disputed
1 point

Right. Never mind that Japanese camps, Jim Crow, the Trail of tears, the assassination of Malcom X, and the KKK all came from the Democrat Party.

Never mind that the one who defended Britain from the Nazis was a die hard Conservative.

Side: A stupid reason

Pastor Rick Bretlinger is a conservative Republican gay Christian pastor.

Side: A stupid reason

This trend has actually changed quite a bit in recent times. Many gays are capitalists and see Islam generally as a threat to their lives.

Supporting Evidence: Gays (img.buzzfeed.com)
Side: A stupid reason
1 point

The media plays a lot into this. I'm bisexual yet a conservative, then there's Blair White and Milo Yianoppolous. Many LGBT people are ignorant and go with what media says. Democrats like gay people, Republicans don't so they go liberal, yet Mike Pence has openly shown acceptance and accommodations to LGBT people.

Side: A stupid reason