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 Why are humans so cruel (38)

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Why are humans so cruel

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3 points

Because they've evolved to be. They've constructed a society where it is required to be. They omit all factors that reveal this cruelty so they can happily continue to be. And they justify this omission with absurdities so their happiness can never depart from their obscured reality.

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Cruelty is a subjective human conception, commonly juxtaposed with kindness or compassion. The subjective judgement of cruelty is projected onto human behavior as a form of interpersonal behavioral moderation, but the behavior itself is not objectively cruel. The language surrounding cruelty/kindness is less about describing objective reality, and more about influencing one another in our respective behavioral patterns. Prevailing conceptions of cruelty and kindness within and between groups are the consequence of evolutionary selection and honing of the "moral" sensibilities of the individual and collective.

ProLogos(2798) Disputed
1 point

Hmmm so what's your point?

Jace(4558) Clarified
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My point is that the only reason humans are "so cruel" at all is because we have rather arbitrarily determined due to evolutionary forces to identify some of our behavior as cruel and some as kind. We exhibit that behavior because of evolution, and we understand it differently and subjectively as cruelty due to the same force of nature.

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"There is no spoon" snorty laugh

Jace(4558) Clarified
1 point

Well, I suppose, if cruelty is a spoon...

FromWithin(5914) Disputed
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What a load of Politically correct GARBAGE! There is right & wrong! There is moral & immoral & it is not some subjective human conception. The kinds of fools who spew that garbage are the ones who say nothing when late term abortions for any reason are a choice. Now that is CRUEL!

I wonder if it would be cruel for someone to kill you & your family or is that just some old traditional subjective human conception.

I bet I know what would be cruel to you.... hunting animals, killing Baby seals but of course killing Baby humans is just a subjective human conception.

Use some bigger words, maybe it might impress the low end voters.

Jace(4558) Disputed
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As an anti-moralist, I assure you that the amoral stance is far from being politically correct. My view on morality is substantiated by a growing body of interdisciplinary research regarding the evolutionary origins of our moral sense. Cruelty, of course, is not actually interchangeable with morality since the conception of it can exist independently of the moral conception (i.e. something may be cruel without necessarily being wrong).

Most people would consider your casual threats to my life and those of my family to be immoral. Most would consider your actually carrying out those homicidal ideations to be cruel. Personally, I would not. However, that would not make me passive in any such situation; far from it, I would lack any and all compunction against doing whatever I had to in order to ensure you failed. And you would fail. I do not need morality or the idea of cruelty to tell me I should defend my life or the lives of those I care about against those who would take that life.

You fail to grasp my stance entirely; I do not consider hunting animals cruel nor abortion because I do not consider anything cruel. I do consider the divergent moral opinions upon both matters to be entirely subjective. I suggest you present some objective basis for your disagreement, or that you stop wasting my time with your threats (or, you know, keep YELLING... it might impress the low end voters).

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Evolution is a THEORY! You as most evolutionists constantly state it as fact just as the nature shows on TV, where they say this animal evolved speed or camouflage to capture their prey. No talk of a theory, it is always as if evolution is proven fact.

Maybe you think of yourself as an animal, I am a human being. In order for anti moralists or anti religion activists to justify man's evil or cruelty, they had to bring us down to the level of animals, thereby excusing away the evil or selfish immoral CHOICES man makes each day. We are not driven by evolutionary forces, we are driven by self love where we justify our actions out of selfish motivations.

You know, when I read your views, I hear an over educated individual with a touch of narcissism. You enjoy showing off your big words & impressing people with your book smarts. When I see people like this it takes me back to a verse I remember from the Bible. It speaks to people who are intelligent when it comes to certain things in life but they lack the wisdom and common sense that comes from true knowledge. There are people who could read a book & memorize it word for word. Others would hear them speak & think that they are intelligent. That same person could never balance his budget nor could he figure out why he keeps meeting the wrong people in relationships.

There is such a thing as wisdom which supersedes book smart by a thousand times. Our culture is a direct result of people such as yourself explaining away irresponsible immoral choices, taking away all accountability for one's actions. For me it comes down to total insecurity, never wanting to be judged or blamed for personal choices in life.

"ITS THE FAULT OF EVOLUTION! WE ARE JUST FOLLOWING OUR ANIMAL EVOLUTIONARY PROGRAMMING"! That is the culmination of all your education, programmed in you by Liberal professors, not evolution.

Cuaroc(8596) Clarified
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Evolution is a THEORY!

Ah I see you fail to understand what a scientific theory is.

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Gravity is a theory, are you saying there isn't any gravity?

Cartman(18207) Disputed
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In order for anti moralists or anti religion activists to justify man's evil or cruelty, they had to bring us down to the level of animals, thereby excusing away the evil or selfish immoral CHOICES man makes each day.

You blame it on eating a piece of fruit. You are way worse.

FromWithin(5914) Disputed
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I blame man's selfish evil & cruelty on man! His self love is what drives his choices in life. It's not rocket science. The analogy of taking marijuana and moving to harder drugs is a perfect example of what happens when man starts following his will rather than the moral values that come from faith in God. He starts out lets say with tame R rated movies and then wants more & moves into X rated movies, and then when that no longer titillates him he moves to even darker movies, etc. and this is how a nation's core values goes from one of love for others to one of self love. One step at a time down that slippery slope.

Cuaroc(8596) Clarified
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I'm amazed you managed not to include Liberals until the very end. Also explain how the idea of evolution came to be far before Liberals.

Atrag(5342) Disputed
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The way you believe you can judge who is moral and who isn't and who deserves help and who doesn't is absolutely abhorrent. Thankfully most Christians are not like you. I think it must be an anger management issue with you. God bless.

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because we have the natural instinct of evolving. while many people evolve from bad to good beings, there are also others, who fall prey to the natural human behavior of desire, and caught in the vortex of "me, myself, I", evolve from good to bad inhabitants.

so if something is an act of cruelty for a group of populace, it could just be an act towards accomplishment of something for others. basically intentions behind the cruel actions, may be relative from one person to another, but the consequences undoubtedly remain cruel.

Jace(4558) Clarified
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If cruelty is relative, how can any consequence be "undoubtedly" cruel in any meaningful sense? It seems to me that if some define cruelty one way and others another, none have any basis from which to claim an actual knowledge of what constitutes cruelty.

I would also challenge the idea that we evolve from bad to good, primarily because I think science has demonstrated that pro-social and anti-social behavior and disposition are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Nor do we all start with the same pro/anti-social dispositional composition. Your thoughts?

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Some humans are just like this. Some have a reason and others don't, but for reasons it can be is almost endless and that's that. Some may have been raised by this and may think that it is right. There is so many reasons that it cant be just one.

Mostly a lack of empathy or reciprocation of how they feel they've been treated. Mix that with limited resources and you have a bunch of meany-weenies.

Though one person's "cruel" could simply be the reality of the situation to another person. Or tough love, which I think is mostly overused, but does have its place.

Harvard(656) Disputed
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A person can commit cruel acts with inadvertence--justifiable (in their own perspective) or not. The act itself would still be cruel, whereas, their intentions, perhaps, "cruel-mindedness," is a subjective standpoint. For example, execution, if you have the ability to just shoot someone in the head to execute them but instead to chop them into pieces (e.g. their hands, feet, genitalia, etc.), your act is still cruel based off the fact that you knowingly had a better way to end the individuals life. Now, the justification, as to why you chose the route that you did, purely subjective.

MuckaMcCaw(1967) Clarified
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I'm not sure why you disputed my statement. I covered your first point by mentioning a lack of empathy. As far as subjectivity, I mentioned that in me second paragraph. All told, I agree with you and I believe you agree with me.

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We live in a cruel society in this world. That isn't to say that ALL humans are cruel. It also depends on your definition of 'cruel'.

Jace(4558) Clarified
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I would suggest it depends entirely upon one's definition of "cruel".

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We live in a society where people have a pride issue. They like to rub in it people's faces on what things they have, and not care for one another.

Jace(4558) Clarified
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What does an overly simplistic observation about pride and vanity have to do with cruelty?

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It's because we live in a sinful world. And the devil is living in this world. But greater is the one living inside of me than he who is living in the world.

Jace(4558) Disputed
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Alternatively, you are a human being with mixed impulses conditioned by thousands of years of evolution. That would be the scientific explanation though. Clearly, you prefer your Bible.

Niffer(58) Clarified
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You just love to try and prove me wrong. Don't you? You say I prefer the Bible but I like to think of it as I prefer the truth. You prefer to believe the most difficult explanation. You prefer the explanation people took years to make up. But you know the truth. Why don't you believe? Why do you hate God? How can you hate God?

Niffer(58) Clarified
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This is a waste of my time. You know the truth. Even though I spend my time crying in pain. I still believe. When I get home from school or any other place I take off my mask and break down. My friends think I am always happy but my best friend knows the real me. The point is that even though I am in pain crying all the time I still have peace. That's why I prefer the Bible. It's the reason I prefer Jesus.

Why are humans so cruel? Humans are cruel because of our autonomy to do what satisfies us, and most of the time, us alone.

Jace(4558) Clarified
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Are we cruel because of autonomy... or because we lack it entirely? Science definitively indicates that if we have any free will at all it is more limited than we perceive it to be, and even increasingly supports the conclusion that we lack free will entirely. This would suggest that we are "cruel" not because we choose to be, but because our predispositions when acted upon by environmental stimuli compel us towards that behavior.

Starchild123(832) Clarified
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Then how is it that we can resist our temptations to act a certain way in particular environments? Or how is it that I can type this, and if I truly wanted to type anything, type at all? What predispositions affect me when making the decision to type? Are we 100% bound be predispositions? I think not, but I don't know.

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Humans beings being cruel involves many factors let alone just because we want to be cruel. Under the name of justice, humans do pretty horrible things to achieve peace. While others are psychopaths, and love causing pain. Being morally right or wrong doesn't change the fact that we will one day bring pain or suffering to someone else. A person can't change, but they can change how they cause it from ever happing again. That is what I believe.

Not all humans are cruel for the most part. Those who vote for the pro choice politicians(for any reason at any stage which is what the Democrat party supports) have much cruelty on their hands. The GOP party in Texas tried to limit abortions to five months except in cases of life of mother or extreme cases and the Democrats refused to support it. They ALWAYS fight against any limits on abortions! Remember when Democrats told us all that Roe v Wade would only allow 1st trimester abortions, unless life of mother. Remember their lies?

Some humans are cruel because they possess an evil heart.

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We, the humans, are willfully causing pain and suffering to others through our actions, and whilst this may be true to a certain degree, we cannot conclude as to why this is until we have fully analyzed the question. What is "cruel"? everyone has their own ideas, some some see it as mistreatment of animals, others greed and desire, though in whole, they are all simply the by-product of a motive that lives in each and every one of us, not just humans. Let us consider the following scenario: Why does a Lion kill a baby Antelope? it has its reasons, to feed, to deliberately target the weak and vulnerable to heighten the chances of self-gain, sound familiar? the actions of humans can indeed come across as cruel, but as to why they are done there could be any number of plausible explanations, the only thing we know for sure is that actions are done for a purpose, normally to benefit another through someone else's suffering, but hey, the world was never made of sugar, it strengthens and develops itself in any way it needs to, survival of the fittest. For this reason, I disagree with the topic that humans are unnecessarily cruel.

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You have no idea what's happening. All of you are so blind. Look at the world around you. None of it is a theory. God made this world, we sinned and now the devil walks on the face of the earth. But God promises a day when that will be over for all who believes in him. Humans are cruel because they have a heart that's made of rock.