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 Why capitalism is becoming anachronistic (69)

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Why capitalism is becoming anachronistic

1: Due to the rise of unprecedented automation and AI the jobs which are considered "low class" will be eliminated entirely eventually so under capitalism there will be a massive abundance of resources with huge segments of the population having no access to resources due to a lack of social construct points resulting from unemployment.

2: Capitalism is unscientific and it's existence is predicated on the majority of people being unscientific and uneducated in general as it requires large amounts of people to be little more than beasts of burden and to believe in social constructs as if they are a law of nature.

3: Capitalism creates less and less innovation and "economic freedom" over time because the more land and resources are already owned by the upper class the less room there is for entrepreneurship, and the more large corporations monopolize industries the more people become cogs in those machines rather than pursuing their own ideas.

4: established financial interests inhibit progress. For example we have the technology and resources to replace old trains with more environmentally friendly, energy efficient and faster electromagnetically powered ones. But the financial interests involved don't want that, because the established order of things benefits those who are profiting from the materials and fuel sources which are already being used. Capitalism makes people do things which are completely irrational, like fighting to keep people using outdated technology because a fabricated system of social constructs makes it so that they are given huge amounts of entitled-beorgiosie-parasite-points by holding the human race back technologically.

5: Jews created capitalism to enslave the human race because interdimensional aliens told them to do it.
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That was a good transcript from whatever medium you copied it.

Predictably though, and in keeping with all such publications which are critical of the status quo it does not set out in detail a feasible alternative to the existing private, free market economy.

Any wannabe political revolutionary can bellow from the roof tops about the shortcomings of the current economic system but, it would take a (group of) pragmatic, highly intelligent and serious constitutional reformer(s) to produce a workable economic system to replace the existing capitalist system.

To date I have never seen evidence of any such viable substitution being released for critical scrutinizing.

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1: Due to the rise of unprecedented automation and AI !

3: Capitalism creates less and less innovation !

Now i will have to say you ain't to bright but you are confused and that is proven !!!!!!!!!!

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Now this is a wild rant from a fool !!!!!!!!!!!

4: established financial interests inhibit progress. For example we have the technology and resources to replace old trains with more environmentally friendly, energy efficient and faster electromagnetically powered ones. But the financial interests involved don't want that, because the established order of things benefits those who are profiting from the materials and fuel sources which are already being used. Capitalism makes people do things which are completely irrational, like fighting to keep people using outdated technology because a fabricated system of social constructs makes it so that they are given huge amounts of entitled-beorgiosie-parasite-points by holding the human race back technologically.

Dummy how is it you will make new trains and develop new rail systems without a fuel source because Wind and Solar will not provide you with the completely irrational train of thought that encompasses your pea brain !!!!!!

Hootie(737) Disputed
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Dummy how is it you will make new trains and develop new rail systems without a fuel source

Outlaw, your attack doesn't make any sense given that your question is answered in the very paragraph you quoted:-

electromagnetically powered ones

You know that electricity powers stuff, right?

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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Did you miss something here ??????????

How is it you will make new trains and develop new rail systems without a fuel source?

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Did your dumb ass show us again how stupid you are ???????????????

Capitalism is unscientific and it's existence is predicated on the majority of people being unscientific and uneducated in general as it requires large amounts of people to be little more than beasts of burden and to believe in social constructs as if they are a law of nature.

Capitalism creates less and less innovation

For example we have the technology and resources to replace old trains with more environmentally friendly, energy efficient and faster electromagnetically powered ones.

Now the above you posted will be a twisted tale you must figure out !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hootie(737) Disputed
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How does all the nonsense in your pea brain make a coherent sentence ?

He's absolutely right mate. The majority of people are unscientific.

Science has become a field of elitists, where one needs to acquire funding from wealthy backers (or the state) in order to compete, and that's ignoring the fact that, in order to even become a top level scientist in the first place, you need a stack of money for tuition. The same also applies to other notable fields like law and medicine. While it is still possible to practice law as a person brought up in poverty, that is rarely the case with either medicine or science. Just look at what happened to world class scientists like Tesla to see how capitalism oppresses scientific innovation.

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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If Capitalism is unscientific then no new trains or rail systems !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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You make some good points, albeit with a bad attitude. So, what would you suggest?

You seem to be saying, as I do, that, if capitalism is not somewhat controlled, we , the rest of us, may as well resign ourselves to slavery??

Putin's oligarchs, and, if Trump wins the next election … HIS oligarchs …. worry me much more than Jewish capitalists!

ArchonElite(336) Disputed
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You make some good points, albeit with a bad attitude. So, what would you suggest?

A bad attitude is what you call recognizing the problems inherent in a system?

What I suggest is scientific socialism.

You seem to be saying, as I do, that, if capitalism is not somewhat controlled, we , the rest of us, may as well resign ourselves to slavery??

"Controlled" is not good enough, it needs to be phased out, but social democracy is better than plain capitalism for sure.

Putin's oligarchs, and, if Trump wins the next election … HIS oligarchs …. worry me much more than Jewish capitalists!

You called Trump a commie, which is insane. Putin is not a commie, he is a kleptocrat, russia hasn't been communist for years, and Trump being a commie is literally just the most ridiculous thing a person could say.

outlaw60(15500) Disputed
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This DUMMY is STUPID ON PARADE !!!!!!!!!!!

The IDIOT made claim it worked in 47 of the 50 states and 15 countries.

Then the IDIOT types it's wild spun response that goes like this and i quote it's words-You seem to be saying, as I do, that, if capitalism is not somewhat controlled, we , the rest of us, may as well resign ourselves to slavery??

STUPID were you a SLAVE your entire working career that you so graciously informed us of ??????????

Hootie(737) Clarified
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You seem to be saying, as I do, that, if capitalism is not somewhat controlled, we , the rest of us, may as well resign ourselves to slavery??

Alfie brother, you can't "control" a system actually designed to create inequality and exploit poverty. That's like trying to "control" airplanes by making them into ground vehicles. If the system is doing the opposite of what you want it to do then obviously you are using the wrong system. No amount of control is going to stop capitalism from creating inequality because that is what it is designed to do by its very nature. And, if one factors time into the equation, then obviously that inequality is -- as a general rule -- only going to increase, not decrease.

What a warped view of the world you have. No system has created more wealth and raised the standard of living for more people than capitalism- NONE!

ParadoxMan(53) Disputed
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What a warped view of the world you have. No system has created more wealth and raised the standard of living for more people than capitalism- NONE!

Capitalism has killed more people than any ideology on earth.

The USSR was the fastest country that ever existed when it comes to going from a low status shit hole to a world superpower, and it did it with socialism.

You love capitalism because you inherited a vast sum of wealth without working for it.

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Capitalism has killed more people than any ideology on earth

Shitty correlation nom. Name any country on the planet not practicing capitalism in some form.

Jody(1356) Disputed
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The USSR was the fastest country that ever existed when it comes to going from a low status shit hole to a world superpower, and it did it with

Why not introduce your version of “socialism” into some of the African shitholes you keep bleating about? It would work wonders all you would have to find is a new Stalin

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Capitalism has killed more people than any ideology on earth.

No, totalitarianism and theocratic rule have.

The USSR was the fastest country that ever existed when it comes to going from a low status shit hole to a world superpower, and it did it with socialism.

The USSR rose through the enslavement of its people via totalitarian rule from a low-status shit hole to a superpower shit hole that is now defunct. I guess you forgot later.

You love capitalism because you inherited a vast sum of wealth without working for it.

No, Komrade, I got my piece of the pie by going out and getting it; it was not handed to me.

Furthermore, I leave you with the following:

"Silly poor people, money is for rich people."

Don't you forget it.

I agree that:

1: capitalism requires the majority of people to be kind of a “sucker” or slave.

2: capitalism culminates in a smaller percentage controlling ever larger chunk of money.

3: pure socialism stifles creativity and motivation. At least to some extent. Why work your brain or body harder if you don’t become better off.

4: a hybrid is the sweet spot! Capitalism with TRUE competitive market. Some things should just be socialistic (at least catastrophic healthcare)..

thehound(4) Disputed
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pure socialism stifles creativity and motivation. At least to some extent. Why work your brain or body harder if you don’t become better off.

Let's say there are two farms, a capitalist farm and a socialist farm. On the capitalist farm a lot of people are working, but they only get a little bit of what is produced, while one guy who does no work but "owns" the farm gets the majority of what is produced. On the socialist farm, everyone works and everyone is free to come up with ideas to make the farm better, and everyone has access to what the farm produces.

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On the socialist farm, everyone works

How do you plan on making them work if they refuse?

and everyone is free to come up with ideas to make the farm better

Which puts you directly back into politics and tribes.

and everyone has access to what the farm produces.

And if they refuse to work?

But let's cut the shit Nom. Most products are not magic apple trees in a garden in the year 5000 BC. They're video games, cell phones, vehicles, etc, and your stupid system has no idea who, if anybody should have access to or be made to make these products.

You keep using this dumb ass farm analogy when the world isn't a fucking farm.

Jody(1356) Disputed
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Let's say there are two farms, a capitalist farm and a socialist farm. On the capitalist farm a lot of people are working, but they only get a little bit of what is produced

On the capitalist farm a person agrees to work for the farmer after agreeing terms.

while one guy who does no work but "owns" the farm gets the majority of what is produced.

Most farmers work harder than their own workers and why shouldn’t the farmer make a profit? He’s the one who took it on as a business having bought or inherited the farm.

The workers make a choice to work for the farmer and if not happy with conditions can vote with their feet

On the socialist farm, everyone works and everyone is free to come up with ideas to make the farm better,

Believe it or not comrade a lot of capitalist farmers like to have feedback from their workers only a fool wouldn’t

and everyone has access to what the farm produces.

Oddly enough I’ve known farm workers who are fed daily at the farm and given produce to take home , but no doubt this does not suit your evil capitalist narrative

You socialists always bring up this utopian type farm scenario, and all the socialist utopian scenarios rely on everyone being lovely people who only have the interests of the larger group at heart and all work together for a similar goal.

Reality is real socialists are people like you who are throughly nasty individuals who spew hatred and bile at most everyone on site, imagine having to rely on the likes of scum like you in a socialist society? .......Ohhhh wait .....it worked for Stalin

Hootie(737) Disputed
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pure socialism stifles creativity and motivation

Bullshit. A total, jaw-dropping capitalist myth. It is capitalism which stifles creativity because it turns people into mindless robots who repetitively perform incredibly mundane tasks for a pay cheque. When I was 16 I once had a job picking staples out of pieces of paper for 8 hours per day. How does that assist my creativity?

Now contrast that to a society where you don't even have to work if you don't want to. A society where you are free to paint, or write, or make music, without panicking that you have no food in your cupboard.

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Bullshit. A total, jaw-dropping capitalist myth. It is capitalism which stifles creativity

1)The ambition to get money enhances creativity. There's creativity all around me because of the desire to get paid.

2)Socialism stifles creativity. Johnny wanted to be an artist, but since none of the other socialists on your magic farm wanted to pick grapes in Looney Tunesville, Johnny was forced to pick fucking grapes.

Jesus fucking christ.

Jody(1356) Disputed
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Bullshit. A total, jaw-dropping capitalist myth. It is capitalism which stifles creativity because it turns people into mindless robots who repetitively perform incredibly mundane tasks for a pay cheque.

Nonsense , I started out my working life doing restoration work in churches where I used to restore artworks , I loved the job and was very well paid for something I would have done for a third of the money

When I was 16 I once had a job picking staples out of pieces of paper for 8 hours per day. How does that assist my creativity?

A lot of people do crappy jobs once in a while bet you don’t do it now

Now contrast that to a society where you don't even have to work if you don't want to.

Ahhh come on , and you don’t think the rest of the socialists might get a bit pissed if their neighbour says “ fuck this I won’t be into work anymore men I’m going to lie in in the morning and go fishing in future “ .....now that’s bullshit buddy

A society where you are free to paint, or write, or make music, without panicking that you have no food in your cupboard.

Right so sit at home all day strumming a guitar , writing or painting and someone else will empty your bins , cook your meals and do all your share of the work .......this sounds exactly like what you accuse the employer classes of doing .......ouch 😱

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a hybrid is the sweet spot! Capitalism with TRUE competitive market. Some things should just be socialistic (at least catastrophic healthcare)..

Hello S:

Couldn't agree more.. I call it capitalism PLUS.

excon

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Isn't it cool Con? I looked in the dictionary and socialism is state control of all production. No mention of healthcare, police, fire department. None of it. Thank God for capitalism to fund it all.

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Obviously barring point number five, that's a brilliantly well-written argument, FM. Difficult to disagree with it because of course you are absolutely right.

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The obvious problem being you are fact machine talking to yourself like a retarded jackass.

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Jews created capitalism to enslave the human race because interdimensional aliens told them to do it.

Hello hater:

Nobody created capitalism just like nobody created eating..

Imagine a cave man - a Jewish cave man if you like, made a big kill. Then another Jewish cave man dropped by. He had some extra water.. So, the Jewish cave men looked at each other, scratched their heads, and made a trade.. They didn't know it was capitalism.. They just knew they were happy.

OR

A Jewish alien came down from the mount, and gave us the law.

excon, Jewish Businessman

ArchonElite(336) Disputed
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Hello sexcon;

you are too stupid to address the debate and only want to whine about Jews I see. Very nice, now fuck off and die.

FactMachine, European Socialist

Hootie(737) Disputed
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Nobody created capitalism just like nobody created eating

Nobody invented eating because eating is a biological function. Capitalism isn't a biological function or a force of nature and hence somebody invented it.

Imagine a cave man - a Jewish cave man if you like, made a big kill. Then another Jewish cave man dropped by. He had some extra water.. So, the Jewish cave men looked at each other, scratched their heads, and made a trade.. They didn't know it was capitalism.. They just knew they were happy.

Trade is not capitalism and I have personally explained this to you at least half a dozen times. Capitalists hijacked trade and transitioned its purpose. Trade was conducted historically on the basis of personal necessity and/or desire. Capitalists changed it into a means of acquiring personal wealth and/or power by introducing the entirely separate component called PROFIT.

I don't like you Excon. I don't like you at all. You're a liar, an idiot and a venomous little prick.