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Why do (some) Christians care if Gays can marry?

This might be a silly question, which I'm sure has been answered before, but why not just let them do their own thing and ignore them?  I can't find a straight answer.  Does it somehow affect you?
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It affects society in several ways (I wont detail much but feel free to ask questions if interested)

-gay marriage will give them the right to adopt (children need a mother and a father)

-creates legal problems (see "presumtion of paternity")

- PMA (medically assisted procreation) is leading the way to GPA (gestation for others)

-One of its greatest arguments is that marriage is built on love wich isnt true ;such thinking could lead to polygamie, marrying underrage kids (happened in Italy), incest

-Destroys the fidelity associated with marriage

Some of the terminology used is probably wrong (not english) dont hesitate dont correct me. Have a nice day!

NicolasCage(506) Disputed
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children need a mother and a father

Why? I think this has been proven enough times to be wrong.

PMA (medically assisted procreation) is leading the way to GPA (gestation for others)

What's the issue with this?

One of its greatest arguments is that marriage is built on love wich isnt true

Sorry, what? Marriage isn't about love? Perhaps in the 12th century you'd have a point, but the reasons as to why people get married are vastly different from feudal times.

Destroys the fidelity associated with marriage

What? How?

seanB(545) Disputed
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gay marriage will give them the right to adopt (children need a mother and a father)

STudies show that children need loving parents. Their sexes are unimportant. A child with a loving father and no mother, fares better than a child with a mother and father who are aloof or cold. A child with two loving dads or two loving mothers fares better than a child with two straight parents who never stop arguing and pay the kid no attention. And children of atheists have been shown in numerous studies to be more empathetic, generous and kind than children of religious parents. The idea that kids "need a father and mother" is bullshit. Kids need loving parentage. That's it.

creates legal problems (see "presumtion of paternity")

This is a legal problem for straight people. Don't see how gays caused this.

PMA (medically assisted procreation) is leading the way to GPA (gestation for others)

This is a problem because?

One of its greatest arguments is that marriage is built on love wich isnt true ;such thinking could lead to polygamie, marrying underrage kids (happened in Italy), incest

Stupid, irrelevant nonsense. Straight, religious people are more likely to abuse kids than gay atheist ones. See the Catholic Church for evidence.

Destroys the fidelity associated with marriage

Marriage was around long before religion. You don't own marriage.

KrutonHybrid(74) Disputed
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STudies show that children need loving parents. Their sexes are unimportant.

Although I detest militant Christianity (and in particular some of the idiots arguing with you) I must respectfully disagree that the sex of adoptive parents is "unimportant". There is a side to humanity which is viciously cruel and that side becomes apparent during childhood. A child with gay parents is going to face fairly heavy bullying and that is simply the reality of the matter. It can't be deemed fair to knowingly subject a small child to this.

cruzaders(341) Disputed
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Dont have the time to answer to everything at once so I will just start with:

PMA (medically assisted procreation) is leading the way to GPA (gestation for others)

GPA example: imagine a gay couple (2 men) they want a child of their own so they agree with a woman to inseminate her against remuneration

The many problems this may cause are:

1) technically you are buying a human being and thats called slavery

2) many young women would do this to pay for their studies, and legallly it is not different than prostitution because they are dispensing sexual favors against remuneration

3) payment is made before baby is born, so that mother can sustain financially the fact of no being able to work for some time, what if she wants to keep the child? Are we going to send the police to forcefully take a baby from its mother?

4)The child will know having two dads is not the natural way of things,are you going to tell him he's been bought?

5) Every mother has a natural right to her child, what if she wants to take him back after a few years?

6) filiation is one of the main cores of law, since you are "destroying" or filiation you are destroying all the other concepts that are linked to it, such as inheritance, familial support, education etc , and they will destroy the other concepts that are linked to them (this might be a little technical, but it is crucial for this question)

cruzaders(341) Disputed
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Studies show that children need loving parents

I have replied to this in another argument I have posted

Stupid, irrelevant nonsense. Straight, religious people are more likely to abuse kids than gay atheist ones. See the Catholic Church for evidence

I fail to see how this even responds to my argument, it is has nothing to do with religion (btw have you heard of the pizza gate?)

Marriage was around long before religion. You don't own marriage.

Are you arguing against fidelity during marriage? Why marry at all ? Can you please give your definition of marriage, you are rather confusing

Stupid, irrelevant nonsense.

Keep it polite

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It is such a shame that a grown capable man wants to take from women and pretend to take the place of a woman.

Women who are career mothers and even future potential mothers have a special, important role in the taX system and in the family.

Gays do not produce or bear children.

The woman's body is designed and specialized and made designed and set up - specifically for the miracle of conception, growth, development, and birth of making a little baby. - REPRODUCTION.

And the gay community ignores the fact that women's bodies are set up and designed differently than a man's body.

Women are not working the jobs of males and the Gay community knows this.

The Gay community still demands that they have the right to mary other males and have the taX breaks and privileges of a Woman and a marriage situation.

The Gay community has really truly disgusted the world.

A huge problem eXists as - The Roman Catholic Church worldwide has handed The KEYS to the CHURCH over to the Gay and Lesbian community.

The Homosexual community worldwide and here in America has been handed the very KEYS to The Roman Catholic Church - and the gays have stuck the rest of the Catholic community and also the general taX payers -

with all of the bills.

The bills of paying for their seXual gay pleasures, adventures and seXual gay joys and experiences with innocent, beautiful little precious baby boys.

The homoseXual community worldwide did not lift a hand or bat an eye to help or support the thousands of victims of the Gay priests who raped, molested and hurt thousands of little kids.

And The Catholic Church has placed the KEYS To The Church right in their hand.

Straight / Hetrosexual Men do not molest and rape little boys.

This is the doing of a gay or biseXual man.

Thousands of Gay men were allowed to use their positions and power and status as a ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST to conduct a personal literal Gay Quest.

Billions and Billions of dollars in OUR AMERICAN TAXES and DONATIONS CHARITIES.

OUR TAXES and DONATIONS and GIFTS contributions, presents and handouts and offerings.

Billions have been lost and thrown away

Money, property and land and buildings that The Catholics across the planet have lost that could have been used to help the poor and needy- Even could have helped the dreamers and undocumented children immigrants of DACA.

But instead, the billions have all been thrown away into the legal system to pay the seXual bills and fees, fines and court costs and settlements for the seXual adventures and pleasures of the Gay Community worldwide.

Having seX with a child can be very, very eXpensive and the Gay community eXpects You and me to pay this bill.

There are many, many Roman Catholics, Muslims, Hindus and peoples of many faiths and ATHEISTS TOO, who are caring, concerned, moral and great people of all faiths and types of people.

But this is the same problem that even Hillary Clinton had - Her homoseXual Military, homoseXual FBI, homoseXual CIA and homoseXual leadership and manipulators -

The Democrat party also has handed the KEYS to the American Government over to the Gay and Lesbian community worldwide -

and it cost them elections and also COST the American taXpayers millions of dollars to clean up their mess.

The Democratic party would rather not have the presidency and win the Elections because The Democrat body is so corrupted and entrenched in the drug and an illegal activity lifestyle they could not manage to stumble into the white house.

They would rather keep their illegal activity lifestyles, good times, Pleasures - Foreign Contacts, Secret and all the illegal ways that they obtained them. –

The insider trading and scams -CORRUPTION and BETRAYAL - So They Smash Phones and hard drives and take a nationwide sledgehammer to everything and delete every E-Mail that shows what their activities have been.

They rather not have a Democrat president if they have to turn in their Taxpayer provided supplies inventories and INFO. Because they already got what they wanted. They do not need the White House.

They have everything they need by illegality.

They are eXactly like the Roman Catholic Church in that they as well have placed the entire Government and Sovereignty, Security and Safety and FUTURE of the USA, right into the Hands of the Homosexual mob.

The Whole FBI could not stumble into the White House because they are so inebriated, impaired and drunk with corruption, shame, and disgusting willful failure.

Christians should realize that Gays legally have the right but realize that Gays overall don't care a rip about the rights of children or the reality of the sacred, special role and rights of women.\ and the need for a taX bracket to be set up to pay women what they deserve for being a woman in a marriage working on savings and getting the benefit of taX breaks for being the wonder that they are. A Woman.

A Gay who is a full grown man - with the capability to work just like another man is stealing and hijacking the rights and privileges and needs of the woman.

By demanding the same taX breaks of a woman.

The gays care not about the importance of Family and women.

1 point

Hi I'm a catholic, and I agrree with you. The church for quite some time has been screwing upp again and again, I believe it is partly because of the lack of severity of the last few popes (Francis in particular has been doing a terrible job)

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It's going to depend on the Christian. Personally I don't care. Marriage affords rights that they deserve, such as choosing whatever medical necessity their partner requires, less taxes and the like.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Tell me, assuming you are a Christian, what "rights" do sodomites "deserve" and to what Biblical passage do you turn to support such nonsense?

Mint_tea(3650) Disputed
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...such as choosing whatever medical necessity their partner requires, less taxes and the like.

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Marriage is the merging of a man and a woman to be one flesh. In reality, there is no such thing as homosexual marriage. The definition of marriage has to be changed for you to say homo perverts can be married. It is wrong to change the definitions of words to hide perversion. Perversion is wrong. Wrong always hurts people. Homos are hurting each other and endorsing them legally by giving them "marital rights" costs society in money as well as social decay and desecration and destruction of families.

Anybody with any kind of common sense does not like things that are wrong. Sodomy is wrong and it is wrong on top of wrong for a society to endorse it.

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Why do atheists care what Christians do? I mean you believe that a God doesn't exist, so in reality this question is pointless.

Mack(535) Disputed
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I'm not allowed to ask a question just because I'm curious?

I'm a Christian, and I'm not worried about what they do. If Christianity is correct, they can explain it to God. If not then it doesn't much matter anyway.

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Thanks. I didn't mean to group all Christians together if it sounded like that.

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Then you deny the Great Commission, for with it King Jesus commands us to disciple the nations (not individuals) in His commands, which includes the command to execute guilty sodomites.

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God commands man to execute sodomites as reprobate criminals, not marry them (Lev 20:13). This is the only reason the Christian needs.

JustIgnoreMe(3368) Clarified
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Then should you kill them (and people who work on Saturday, and people who eat shrimp, etc.)?

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Eating shrimp is not a crime. You Biblically illiterate fools need to stop speaking, for it makes you sound ignorant.

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Should wearing mixed fabric (e.g. polyester), getting tattoos, etc. be illegal - or, should people who believe those verses just not do those things themselves?

outlaw60(13195) Disputed
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Progressive seems corporations can deny those that work for them(remember corporations are not people) to remove tattoos or they not be shown in the workplace

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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God never makes them crimes, so no. He does make sodomy a crime and commands man to execute them.

this is correct.

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Many Christians believe homosexuality morally wrong. You might ask why they impose their beliefs onto a secular nation, but in reality, if it is right and wrong issue, then it makes sense that people want to ban what they consider wrong.

Mack(535) Clarified
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If the only reason they want to ban it is because they consider it wrong, why don't they make a bigger deal about sex before marriage, or other things like that? The basis for just laws should be to make it illegal to do things that bring physical or financial harm to others, or at least something along those lines. Gay marriage doesn't bring unfair financial harm to anybody, nor physical harm. In the US at least, morality is not legislated - the purpose of laws are to make society run smoothly.

Viceregent(413) Disputed
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Given all of the dead sodomites who died because they were sodomites, to claim sodomy does no harm is delusional.

And where did you get your ideas about the basis of law? ROFL

And all law is is morality with teeth. Your ignorance betrays much indoctrination, but little education.

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Yes, I believe that even Gays agree that they are grown, capable men.

they only pretend to take the place of a woman.

No one but a real woman can ever take the wondeful place of a woman.

I agree, huge problem does exist - The Roman Catholic Church worldwide has placed The KEYS to the CHURCH right into the hands of the Gay and Lesbian community.

The very KEYS to The Roman Catholic Church - and the gays have stuck the rest of the Catholic community and also the general taX payers - with all of the bills.

Billions of dollars in seXual gay pleasures, adventures and seXual gay joys and experiences and raptures with innocent little boys.

Thousands of Gay men were allowed to use their positions and power and status as a ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIEST to conduct a personal literal Gay Quest.

Billions and Billions of dollars in OUR AMERICAN TAXES and DONATIONS CHARITIES.

OUR TAXES and DONATIONS and GIFTS contributions, presents and handouts and offerings.

Billions have been lost and thrown away

Money, property and land and buildings that The Catholics across the planet have lost that could have been used to help the poor and needy.

But instead, the billions have all been thrown away into the legal system to pay the seXual bills and fees, fines and court costs and settlements for the seXual adventures and pleasures of the Gay Community worldwide.

Having seX with a child can be very, very eXpensive and the Gay community eXpects You and me to pay this bill.

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Morality is the foundation of all civilizations and society. Most Christians consider homosexuality to be immoral. Many nations are (or were) predominantly Christian.