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Why do right wingers BELIEVE Nazis when they call themselves National "Socialists",

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But, DON'T believe ANTIFA when they call themselves anti-factists???

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Right wingers know what's up

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Why do right wingers BELIEVE Nazis when they call themselves National "Socialists"

I think the answer is pretty obvious. By perpetuating the lies of the Nazis even after the Nazis were soundly defeated, they figure they can at some point have another go.

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5 points

I think the answer is pretty obvious. By perpetuating the lies of the Nazis even after the Nazis were soundly defeated, they figure they can at some point have another go

This is no secret. They now call themselves the Democratic Party.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
1 point

Lefties selectively believe that they aren't the ones who are actually believing the nazis.

The anti-faggots are obviously commies, they were even started by the commies way back before anyone here was probably born.

Side: SELECTIVE BELIEVING
1 point

Nazism was fascism in the disguise of national socialism. If you look at their ideas, not only do they have absolutely nothing to do with socialism, but they are completely fascist. And yes, ANTIFA are anti-fascist.

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Because the Nazis actually were what they called themselves. ANTIFA is the opposite of what they call themselves. Why do you believe ANTIFA is antifascist but not believe ISIS is Islamic?

Side: Right wingers know what's up
3 points

The Nazis were socialist in every way except for their extreme nationalism. If you read their 25 point program, you will find a lot of ideas currently associated with progressivism.

ANTIFA is anti-fascist. They just see fascists where there are none. They see fascists in everyone who politically differs from them. They can’t see that they share their value for tyranny with fascism. It’s not that they aren’t against fascism, it’s that they are delusional.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
2 points

The Nazis were socialist in every way except for their extreme nationalism

They were the precise political opposite of socialists. This is just insane. How many socialists do you know that want to violently wipe out Communism?

The absolute core value of socialism is equality. How can you actually sit there with a straight face and try to convince people that the Nazis were pro-equality?

Side: SELECTIVE BELIEVING
5 points

They were the precise political opposite of socialists. This is just insane.

And? Being a socialist that acts like a Nazi (you), is equally as vile.

How many socialists do you know that want to violently wipe out Communism?

Claiming to be like Mao assures us that you aren't a Nazi. It also assures us that you are worse. Communists are well known for doing Nazi things but to their own people. Claiming you are a Commie rather than a Nazi is a pretty sick argument.

The absolute core value of socialism is equality.

An empty promise of equality as long as you are within the progressive tribe. By equality they mean everyone starves and has nothing, but the government eats like kings.

How can you actually sit there with a straight face and try to convince people that the Nazis were pro-equality

An empty promise of equality as long as you were in the Nazi tribe.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

How many socialists do you know that want to violently wipe out Communism?

I guess just the socialists typically considered right wing, like Hitler and Mussolini. Incredulity is not an argument Nom.

Nazism was an attempt to create a nationalist redefinition of socialism, as an alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.

The absolute core value of socialism is equality.

Sure. The Communists sought equality for their chosen class the same way the Nazis sought equality for their chosen race. The primary difference between the two systems is the name they give to the class they wish to brutality promote. Marxists like to feel superior because they are violent bigots based on class rather than race. It’s pathetic. I don’t expect anything of substance to come in the form of a response from you, so I will likely let it go here.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
1 point

The Nazis (1920s to 1940s Germany) were indeed socialists.

The German Nazis are not to be confused with American neo-Nazis, despite the fact that both groups spout vile and bigoted rhetoric in favor of intrinsically destructive policies.

The neo-Nazis are not socialists. These ignorami tape their rants with the swastika behind them, and yell and scream against welfare programs, socialized medicine, etc., in between racist tirades that blame other people for their inability or unwillingness to adapt to, and thrive in the society in which they live.

The neo-Nazis are not socialists, or even National Socialists; they are just racist nationalists who think that racism and nationalism were all the original Nazis were about. They are so unimaginative that they coopted the Nazi name in an attempt to give their brand of bigotry some historical pizazz.

The Marxist version of socialism is international in its goal, but most socialism is based in building socialist structures inside nations, as in Sweden, and the Nazis tried to create this in Germany in the 1030s.

The original German National Socialist party was indeed a socialist version of Fascism, as evidenced by the command economy and the Strength Through Joy program. Obviously, the militaristic aspects of Fascism do not mesh well with socialism simply because the resources required for full-blown socialism to temporarily function are diverted to the military apparatus. Regardless of the fact that it worked even more poorly than other socialist systems, it was socialist.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
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The Nazis (1920s to 1940s Germany) were indeed socialists.

They absolutely, irrefutably were not socialists and have been proven to have been far right fascists by countless historical scholars. Nazism is a specific type of fascism. The reason we can be so overwhelmingly certain of this is because socialism is a theory of social equality and fascism is a theory of social inequality. The entire basis of Nazi theory is that certain people are superior and others are inferior.

Quite frankly, it is SHOCKING to watch someone like you literally turn the truth upside down in such a nonchalant manner. Calling the Nazis socialists is nothing short of Orwellian upside down language. Please see:-

National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus), more commonly known as Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsi.ɪzəm, ˈnæt-/),[1] is the ideology and set of practices associated with the 20th-century German Nazi Party in Nazi Germany and of other far-right groups. Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism, Nazism's development was influenced by German nationalism (especially Pan-Germanism), the Völkisch movement and the anti-Communist Freikorps paramilitary groups that emerged during the Weimar Republic after Germany's defeat in the First World War.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Position withinthepoliticalspectrum

Far-right politics is a term used to describe politics further on the right of the left-right spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of more extreme nationalist,[1][2] and nativist ideologies, as well as authoritarian tendencies.

The term is often associated with Nazism,[4] neo-Nazism, fascism, neo-fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views.[5] These can lead to oppression and violence against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the nation, state[6] or ultraconservative traditional social institutions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right_politics

Side: SELECTIVE BELIEVING
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They absolutely, irrefutably were not socialists and have been proven to have been far right fascists by countless historical scholars

And yet you still support their tactics and techniques. Brainwash the youth, monopolize the media and spew propaganda, put subconscious propaganda into films, demonize a particular group for its beliefs, anti Jew, Pro Palestine, pro eugenics, etc. Yup. That describes you and Hitler. The only difference is you claim to oppose his politics.

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marcusmoon(576) Disputed
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Considering that socialism is an ECONOMIC system, yet you do not address the Nazi socialist programs, I take this as an indication that you have no argument. Please supply your argument if you actually have an argument.

Certainly the Nazi model was based on an immoral system based of some of the populace feeling envy others in the nation, and then using government to steal from them to fund the social welfare programs. This is exactly the basic socialist model.

Assuming I am correct that you agree about the Nazis' envy or theft, then we agree that both Nazis and socialists use the same basic model of government theft as the method to fund social programs.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
1 point

The Nazi Party emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany.The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.

Side: Right wingers know what's up
5 points

Your school forgot to tell you that the Nazis were allied with the Palestinians and the Grand Mufti, that much of Hitler's leadership were Communists, that Hitler fought nations who were heavily anti-Communist, and that Hitler claimed that Nazism was a syncretic movement, meaning a mixing of leftist and right wing politics.

This is a man who took 80+ drugs a day including meth, heroine, cocaine, etc, which is why he was constantly sweating. This is a man who claimed to be a Catholic, then began mocking and demonizing Christianity. He later praised Muhammedism (Islam) and began throwing parades with Nordic mythology themes. He claimed to be Aryan, yet allied with millions of non-Aryans. He was an inconsistent, position swapping, drug induced psychopath. He did claim socialism. It's a fact. He did claim nationalism. It's a fact. He made peace with people right before attacking them militarily. It's a fact. He created a fully brainwashed youth called the Nazi Youth. He replaced priests with "Nazi priests". They were brainwashed into a mindless ideology. He was lying 99% of the time regardless of what he said. That is who he was. That is what Nazism was. The closest thing to it in the world today is ISIS, but the left is looking only for a Nazism that is white, and they ignore all Nazism that is not. There is a Nazism that is antisemitic, racist, anti feminst, anti gay, genocidal, and nationalist, spreading across the globe, but rather than use a swastika, it wields the Crescent moon. They are two wings on the same bird. And it's not like they hide it. Islamists everywhere wield signs that say "God bless Hitler" or "Kill the Jews" or "The real Holocaust is coming". Only in Islam can you quickly recruit 200,000 ISIS militants who will happily genocide hundreds of thousands of people and burn children alive in cages while taking children as sex slaves. Sadly, it is the left claiming Nazis are everywhere while ignoring the only ones with threatening numbers, that anyone can actually see doing real Nazi things.

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Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

I honestly do not know what that has got to do with the origins of the Nazi party and it’s formation ; I’m well aware of what Hitler was and the Nazi party , I’m merely talking about the roots of the party and how it came about

Side: Right wingers know what's up
5 points

Ex Muslim quotes-

1)Although the word Jihad standing by itself means “struggle,” what Westerners need to focus on when reading the Hadith regarding Mohammed’s Jihad is similar to the focus needed when reading Mein Kampf (My Struggle) by Adolph Hitler.

2) What the West does not understand about Islamism is that Jihad is very systematic. It has stages. If Muslims have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged by force. If Muslims do not have the upper hand, then Jihad is waged through financial and political means. Since Muslims do not have the upper hand in America or Europe, they talk about peace in front of you while supporting Hamas and Hezbollah in the back room. The whole idea of Islam being a peaceful religion emanates from that silent stage of Jihad.

3)to this very day, Muslims do not view peace treaties in the same way that most people understand a “peace-treaty.” To the Muslim mind, treaties are not binding agreements, but rather opportunities to grow stronger or buy time or to appear peaceful while preparing for war. But make no mistake, making peace treaties with the infidels simply for the sake of peace is never the ultimate goal. The only goal of Islam is victory over the whole world.

4)Muslims in the West regularly refer to Islam as the “religion of peace.” Yet of the roughly 400 recognized terrorist groups in the world, over 90 percent are Islamist groups. Over 90 percent of the current world-fighting involves Islamist terror movements.120 The endless goal of moderate Muslim apologists is to make the claim that the radical terrorist groups are not behaving in an Islamic way. While many nominal and liberal Muslims have a strong disdain for the murderous behavior of many of the most violent groups, the terrorists are actually carrying out a very legitimate aspect of Islam as defined by Islam’s sacred texts, scholars, and representatives. They are indeed behaving in an Islamic way. They are behaving like Mohammed and his successors. While it is often said that the terrorists have high-jacked Islam, in reality it is the so-called moderate Muslims who are trying to change the true teachings of Islam. Many in the West today are calling for a “reformation” within Islam. The problem is that this reformation has already happened and the most radical forms of Islam that we are seeing today are the result—violent Islam is true Islam.

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/ 196356.Walid_Shoebat

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1 point

Why is it Lefty Loonies like yourself Super Stupid are so concerned with Nazis ?

Are you seeing Nazis around every corner and afraid of the dark because Hillary was sent to knitting classes ?

Hillary's loss has sent you Leftist into full blown Socialist and the tirade of opposing views of Americans that you Leftist think will separate American voters from Trump will only strengthen their bond to him.

Leftist Loonies need gun control to keep them from continually shooting themselves in the foot !

Side: Right wingers know what's up

National Socialism is anTRIBAL mentality and humans are tribal by nature. I truly believe NS can be SEPERATE from racism - it can include people of like mind instead like skin. Nationalism is simply hunkering around the homies and looking out only for your tribe - screw the other tribes. Socialism works great as long as everyone truly shares a common goal - it’s very powerful like a pro team clicking in sync. But in order for it to work 99% of the tribe have to have the same mindset and same motivation. Unfortunately, some of the freedom and slacker mentality Americans are used to negates that power.

Side: Right wingers know what's up

Nazism (forgetting the Aryan part) was about Darwinism and progressing the human race in evolution. It was about trimming the weeds and cultivation of a post-human era. Nature is gonna do this for us if we don’t take charge and do it ourselves. Nazism was very powerful- if we can just drop the color of skin part. I’m a Nazi in every way - except the racism. I would “weed” the garden based directly on measurable intelligence. The weeds are choking out the crop

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