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 Why do some people believe life starts at birth? Is this proper? (17)

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Why do some people believe life starts at birth? Is this proper?

I've yet to understand why some people believe life starts at birth. As a person who believes life starts at conception I have trouble grasping this concept.

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Perhaps the "person-hood" of an individual begins at birth.

Coldfire(1014) Clarified
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::groan:: personhood...

such an ambiguous term. I find that it only serves to distract from the abortion debate more than anything.

I believe that this belief is a particularly misguided one, and I am thoroughly convinced that this is not a 'proper' viewpoint (whatever that is supposed to mean).

That said, there are numerous explanations as to why one might believe this.

First and foremost is that it's intuitive to the outsider; even though a baby bump is visibly obvious in most cases, and we're able to see vaguely humanoid shapes via ultrasound, that's still not the same thing as actually seeing a baby. For those in this camp, I believe it's simply a case of drawing a misguided conclusion from evidence that, while real and tangible, is not exactly related to the conclusion drawn.

This isn't the only side to it though- there is also a camp that are being torn, somewhat, between two different moral problems; this is primarily those who are pro-choice, without caveats as to when abortion should be performed. Their dilemma is that no developmental changes occur during the process of birth- the trauma of birth itself temporarily halts or stalls most of these processes; as such, there is essentially no difference in terms of development or awareness between a fetus at the beginning of labor and the same infant just after birth. Most objective criteria one would use to differentiate between stages of development would not differentiate between a late term fetus and a newborn- herein lies the moral dillema; they want to advocate a womans right to choose, do not want excessive limitations placed on this right, but they also do not want to advocate infanticide, even indirectly. Even if it's a fundamentally flawed place to mark the beginning of life, it serves as an important 'divider' so to speak- and it works for many, particularly due to the previous camp I mentioned.

I'm sure there are exceptions to these and other reasoning that causes someone to arise at this point, but I do believe that these two cases (with some overlap) cover the majority.

Life does not start at fertilization. That is ludicris. .

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How so? I don't understand how one can conclude that life begins at birth when the organism begins to develop shortly after conception.

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A zygote is not a baby. .

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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So..... whats your argument?

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That I don't believe that life begins at fertilization. .

Paradox44(736) Disputed
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Odd. You didn't even direct me to a specifc link. In fact you nearly lead me to a link that counters your position.

This Link here that you nearly lead me to counters your position

Centifolia(1319) Clarified
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My bad, I should have made it clear that I am in the side that "Life begins at conception"

I just edited it (hope you dont mind)

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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How is your belief that life starts at conception supposed to explain why some people believe it starts at birth?

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Life starts at conception and birth is the start of a specific species life. The being inside the body is unfortunately defined as a parasite (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parasite). After birth, it is defined as a creature of its own species (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ species). Therefore, the life of a human does not commence until after birth however; the parasitic nature of an unborn child does not exclude it from being classified as alive.

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1. The time spent in the womb is not part of our age.

2. Fetuses are heavily dependent on the mother they live inside. They cannot survive without the mom.

3. You aren't really able to do anything until birth.

4. Fetuses are very fragile.

I think that's why.

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Just arbitrary distinctions. You began no more when your mother first thought of you, than when you were born. There's no beginnings, just continuations.

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I don't believe they disregard that a zygote and fetus are comprised of living elements and possibly even 'living' in and of themselves. Instead, it appears to be more of a rationale people use to excuse the termination of something that is evidently living put lacks a quality which would make it immoral to terminate. In the same sense, we can consider a tumor living, as it is composed of living cells, but it is not immoral to terminate a tumor because it doesn’t possess the extra quality that would otherwise make it immoral. This extra quality has been labeled as “life” by proponents of abortion. There are several definitions to the word, but perhaps a different term ought to be used in order to avoid semantics arguments.