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Why don't Democrats help more African Americans into middle class? Could it be their vote?
After decades of race bating and calling the GOP racists each election, one must ask themselves, why do Democrats do so little to help get so many African Americans out of poverty and off the welfare roles.
So answer me this, if the majority of African Americans moved up the ladder into middle class, who do you suppose they would vote for? The Democrat party already knows the answer to this question. The majority of the middle class historically votes for the GOP because they hate having so much of their income redistributed to the Democrat's lower income voting blocks.
So why on earth would Democrats want to lose that constant 90% Black vote? If they actually followed through with all their campaign rhetoric each election, it would be like cutting their own politcal throats.
It amazes me how little has been mentioned concerning what can be done to break minorities out of poverty during Obama's term. I thought he was going to bring special attention to the plight of African Americans? If even a Black President cares more for issues such as gun control, Gay marriage, Global warming, etc. but never addresses the terrible pubic schools in minority communities, the gang problems and ways to fix it, you have to ask yourself why?
The answer is obvious, no matter all the Democrat rhetoric, they are happy keeping minorities tied to Government social programs because there in lies the power, the power of the vote. It's so sick how the Liberal media allows them to get away with this for decade after decade.
You ask what has the GOP done for African Americans during their terms of office? First of all the GOP stands up for helping all Americans out of poverty no matter who they are, no special tretment to any group. The GOP has been trying to allow school choice for charter schools, private schools, etc. because these schools have a much better record when it comes to educating the kids. Ask yourself why Democrats are always opposed to school choice, to helping minorities afford better schools and not keeping them funneled into failed public schools. They do it to control the people's minds, indoctrinate them into political correctness, and keep them tied to Government.
It is so obvious but with the help of the Liberal media, minorities will keep right on voting for Democrats. All for the free subsidies, free food stamps, free cell phones, free healthcare, etc.
How sick the rhetoric from Democrats, still telling them they are victims of racism and will never get ahead because of the Rich White man holding them back, so vote for Democrats and we will support you.
I guess I'm hoping for new people who will actually admit the obvious things being done by the Democrat party. Until I meet that person I am happy with banning people who refuse to admit the obvious. It's a waste of my time.
This site seems to have only a few people who debate so you are probably right, I should go elsewhere.
Maybe this site is like Liberal radio, they have so few followers, the stations drop the program. This may be one of those Liberal sites that gets no following.
You ban people regardless of ideology. If they disagree with you on anything, you declare that they are liberals and silence them.
Edit: By the way, you just admitted you aren't looking for a debate, you want people who will "admit" that your opinion is fact, so why come to a debate website at all?
I want people to admit the OBVIOUS FACTS of Democrats pandering to the black vote. For you to deny it and give a million reasons why what I said was wrong, gets a ban very very quickly. There are certain things in life that are so obvious and even Liberals admit it but not you. You must right a million words why the GOP are just as bad. NO THANKS, I HAvE BETTER THINGS TO DO.
I want people to admit the OBVIOUS FACTS of Democrats pandering to the black vote. For you to deny it and give a million reasons why what I said was wrong, gets a ban very very quickly.
You'll notice I never denied it. Of course they pander to the Black vote. Both parties pander to many groups of voters, in many different ways.
There are certain things in life that are so obvious and even Liberals admit it but not you.
You claim that about every one of your opinions.
You must right a million words why the GOP are just as bad. NO THANKS, I HAvE BETTER THINGS TO DO.
You mean like yell at them on a debate website and ban them when they disagree with you?
I want people to admit the OBVIOUS FACTS of Democrats pandering to the black vote.
No you don't. You want people to admit to the "obvious" fact that Democrats are holding blacks back to get their vote. That's not pandering, that's conspiracy.
Actually I agree, there is a little of both going on. Democrats don't do anything that actually holds them back(other than not allowing school choice) but rather they never speak to the core problems in the Black community such as Gangs, school drop outs, lack of fathers at home, drugs, etc.
In this way they seem very happy with the status quo. If our leaders refuse to speak to the core problems of any group of people, one must ask why.
Who are you and what did you do with the crazy person who usually hangs here? I think you would get a lot farther with that approach and show how the Democrats are falling. They do seem to fail on those issues.
Are you actually saying the Democrat party does not play the race game to get the Black vote? If you are then you are first on my ban list because that kind of brainwashing or deception is a waste of any person's debate.
Not as much as I hate you wasting my time. I would give you the answer but it's so obvious you would again be wasting my time. You know the answer, I've addressed it many times. You can not possibly be that ignorant of what the Democrat party does.
You really hate me? But I thought we were getting along! That's not very nice of you.
On a side note, why would you make a debate if we all know the "answer" to the question? Isn't this site about discussing both sides of an issue? Not pointing out common truths. If you say everyone knows the answer, it's basically as if I made a debate titled "Why do apples fall to the ground?? Why do they not float into space?" (The answer is gravity, by the way. Oh look at that- I told you the answer and it barely even wasted my time!)
I actually love you and so far you are not banned :)
There are actually many millions of ignorant voters who have no clue what I'm talking about. I create these arguments in the hopes there might be some people who by accident type in CreateDebate when they were trying to type CreateDebauchery :) Who knows they might actually learn to think past what they are told on sit coms.
When speaking about baning people, it is not about the ignorant voters who never follow politics, I'm talking about the Liberals who live and brethe politics but like to play mindless denials to obvious truth.
Also a bunch of atheists. But that goes hand in hand with being a liberal. That's why it's almost impossible to win a debate on religion, on this site.
In order for your argument to be valid you must be claiming that everything the Democrats have proposed has not been blocked by Republicans. So, are you really saying that everything Democrats have wanted to try has been done?
No, how can the GOP block non existent programs? If by everything you mean affirmative action policies, then yes the GOP has tried to stop discrimination against any color of skin. If affirmative action is the only way Democrts try to move minorities up the ladder, then what does that tell you about the Democrat's confidence in African American workers?
FORCING people to hire particular races is what creates the anger, and keeps the flames of racism alive and well.
Correction. Yes, the GOP can't block non existent programs. Now you have a debatable position.
If affirmative action is the only way Democrts try to move minorities up the ladder, then what does that tell you about the Democrat's confidence in African American workers?
You have it backwards. They have no faith in whitey.
FORCING people to hire particular races is what creates the anger, and keeps the flames of racism alive and well.
Well, not exactly. Forcing people to hire races doesn't create anger, it is the idea that if the person screws up like a white person that they can't be fired. Anger goes away when the black does a great job.
No, anger from affirmative action is based on hiring someone because of their color. It has nothing to do with their work effort. No one should ever be discriminated because of their skin color and white people are discriminated against with affirmative action.
And yes, there is also anger from people not getting fired because of their gender or skin color.
No, anger from affirmative action is based on hiring someone because of their color.
Really? You think people are so racist that they just get angry over the fact that they have to be around a black person. Man, you are messed up.
No one should ever be discriminated because of their skin color and white people are discriminated against with affirmative action.
That's a different issue. You said people get angry about having to hire someone, not over not getting a job. If they were so qualified for the job they would have been hired instead of the white guy that was also hired. There has to be at least 1 white guy there.
And yes, there is also anger from people not getting fired because of their gender or skin color.
This is the real anger that someone who does the hiring would face.
You might want to take a look in ol' Harry ' s circular file. As leader of the senate, he didn't allow any Republican bills to be voted on. Pot. Kettle. Black
That doesn't matter. Did the House vote on Democrat bills? You can't accuse Democrats of not trying if the Republicans blocked them. If the Republicans have great ideas, then them blocking everything the Democrats propose is ok. It works the other way, too.
The debate is claiming that Democrats aren't doing anything. It is also claiming the Republicans aren't doing anything. It is claiming that Republicans aren't doing anything because the Democrats are blocking them.
So, the only way Democrats are at fault is if they are not being blocked by Republicans. That would mean the Democrats are falling to address the problems instead of falling to implement the solution. If you believe that the Democrats have had their chance then you can keep making this claim. To prove you believe that you presented the already given facts that Republicans are being blocked by Democrats. Congratulations you suck at debating.
First of all, democrats don't have solutions. Dingle Barry had two years with a majority in the House and the Senate, and what did he acomplish? He gave us socialized healthcare. That's it. I thank God that the the Republicans DID block what he wanted. Otherwise, this country would be a lot worse off. Not that it isn't bad enough already.
Every election, liberals make the same promisses to blacks, and every time, they break those promisses. Blacks are still on the reservation. They're still slaves, and they don't even realize it.
Don't play stupid. You can't possibly be that clueless. Guess you never followed a democratic election before. Or do you just vote straight democrat, like all the other useful idiots?
I simply call it like I see it. Have you ever watched Waters World? It's simply amazing how stupid liberals can be. He actually asked them if they would vote for a democratic president if Carl Marx was his running mate. They said yes. You can't make this stuff up. They really are that stupid.
Don't blame yourself, Cartman says he is a Conservartive when it suits him and then talks like a Liberal. He plays both sides just to argue many times. You just made the same statement I keep making to these people when I say they can not possiby be that blind to what's gong on in this nation. Then after I learn it is a waste of time I ban them. You will end up doing the same thing. You seem to have some commen sense. I'm not sure if Cartman is mentally challenged or what :)
Its easy to point the finger at the government all the time, but sometimes we need to take matters into our own hands and look at ourselves, and I think the African American community's in America do need to this! just purely raising more African Americans into the middle classes doesn't solve a deep routed problem it merely masks it!
I agree, there is a great amount of personal responsibility for our status in life. I don't blame the Democrat party for all the problems in the Black community. I bame them for playing politics with the Black vote, playing the race card against the GOP and using the victimization excuse and never blaming the culture and the personal choices people make, as with dropping out of schools, selling drugs, joining gangs, etc.
I blame democrats for not allowing school choices which keeps people in failed public schools.
That is what I said when I also mentioned minorities. Democrats know that people will vote for politicians who give them free stuff. Hence the race bating, the pandering to generous welfre programs, Obamacare, etc. etc.
Our nation is in a very dangerous place where our leaders are being elected by people who pay no taxes. The welfare roles are growing every year and that voting block is what Democrats pander to. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT!
The middle class are losing their say in who our leaders will be. When those who pay no taxes elect our leaders, how long do you think it will be before we go bankrupt?
You notice Hillary's free College strategy? Just as I say, Democrat's election strategies are based on buying the vote no matter our debt.
If you guys ever learn Spanish or Chinese, read the newspapers during election time. They list a set of Democrat issues/candidates to vote for during election time.
For some reason, minorities, especially newer immigrant generations identify with the Democrat party.
The middle class are losing their say in who our leaders will be.
Your definition of middle class differs with many of the other definitions for middle class. It is hard to discuss the issue with no official definition.
Sorry, that is from the perspective of FromWithin. I don't know what to classify GenericName as. He doesn't like it when FromWithin lies, or only tells one side of the story, and now FromWithin can't stand him.
He thinks he is GenericName. FromWithin has a tendency to think facts represent someones belief system, and proceeds to believe that belief systems that go against his own are wrong. Flewk stated a fact that did not involve the Democrats being sneaky. Therefore, he must be one.
It's not the governments responsibility to decide who is rich and who is poor. Redistributing wealth is what Bolsheviks do. The only responsibility of the government would be to try and help eliminate any glass ceilings blocking African Americans from success. Other than that it is down to them make their own success. If you don't believe that you're not a true right-winger.
I agree with that stuff you say but my argument is on how Democrats pander to low income voters. Democrats REFUSE to tell minorities that it is up to them to live responsibly so they can climb the ladder to success. Democrats live and breathe telling them it is not their fault but rather the so called racist GOP, racist cops and rich white men who hold them back.
Asian Americans are the most successful group in the population (including caucasians). They still vote majority Democrat. I don't think teaching immigrants to climb the ladder to success will change their vote.
Why don't African Americans help themselves? What's so special about blacks that they should receive special attention to help them up the ladder which everyone else has to struggle to climb themselves? It's time for the 'Bongo' to accept that they are genetically inferior and stop blaming non whites for their woeful shortcomings. They are round pegs trying to struggle into square holes where they are unable to compete in the free trading, democratic nations of the west. They should try Liberia.
