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Because he can't Because he isn't real
Debate Score:142
Arguments:143
Total Votes:144
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Why is God not helping us if God is so good

Because he can't

Side Score: 78
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Because he isn't real

Side Score: 64
3 points

From the absolutists kind:

(1) Everything that we have is from God.

(2) God holds all things together.

From the personal kind:

(1) He died on a cross to save us from our sins.

(2) He has raised us to life.

And much more.

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
1 point

Any justifying rationale? No, too inconvenient. Any evidence? Of course not.

Side: Because he isn't real
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

The bible speaks to all of this. So the bible is the source, and the rationale makes perfect sense: God cares for His creations.

This is opposed to your argument from Epicurus, which has been disposed of in modern times. As I said, you refused to actually research the argument, so i had to destroy your argument. I want you to learn, but destroying arguments usually just makes people mad. If you want to actually talk intellectually, stop being arrogant.

Side: Because he can't
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

You sound quite delusional, o you know the difference between faith and actual knowledge?

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

I think that it said he can't because hell or sin or something is here on earth and I think that is the reason why.

Side: Because he can't
3 points

Then why didn't he just create earth without hell or sin on it?

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

How should God help us?

Side: Because he can't

he helps us by..... driving us safe, obeying him, reading his word and it will help u like the ten commands and there is more that god can help us

Side: Because he can't
1 point

My question was in regards to the debate title.

Side: Because he can't
0 points

Where was God's help in the famines, tsunamis and genocides that have caused so much unbearable suffering and hardship?

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

God is helping a lot of people everyday. The reason sometimes it may seem like God isn't helping is because He is testing our faith or wants us to go through a difficult time because He wants us to bring us closer to Him through the testing He has given to people. We are going to face many trials in our life and God wants us to try close to Him instead of far away.

Side: Because he can't
4 points

Quit your whining kids, god is just testing your faith to bring you closer to him.

Hey baby, you probably won't live to see tomorrow so you better get some faith quick before you die and god sends you to hell for eternity.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

That made me cry. :'(

Side: Because he can't
Srom(12204) Disputed
1 point

You didn't really have to put that second graphic image ingrained into my head. Now I think I'm going to have to go puke.

Side: Because he can't
Atrag(5439) Disputed
2 points

Yesterday small child was brutally raped by his father. You're seriously saying that God allowed the man to do that so the child's faith was strengthened? Either way you look at it you have to conclude that God is evil (at least by the human definition of the word).

Side: Because he isn't real
Srom(12204) Disputed
1 point

Look at the story of Job for example. He was a godly man, he had everything taken away from him and yet He still never cursed God at all and still continue to believe and it brought him closer to God in the end. Sometimes God put us through trials that we must face to get even closer to God.

I don't conclude that God is evil. He isn't evil.

Side: Because he can't
1 point

Where was god through atrocities such as the Slave trade, Holocaust or the Rwandan or Cambodian Genocides? How is anything that bad going to be any use to anyone? God is evil if he exists for allowing such things.

Side: Because he isn't real
Srom(12204) Disputed
1 point

Humans are the ones who are at war with each other. God gave the earth for us to tend to and for dominion on this planet. It wasn't God's fault that war broke out, genocide, or slave trades. That was what humans did. Not God.

You don't understand. God isn't evil. The reason why He allows evil is simple. If God eliminated evil right now all of it. Would everyone still be here? No, because we all have the potential to do evil. It's what we say that can be evil, even our thoughts can be evil, and our actions could be evil.

Side: Because he can't
1 point

God is only real if you believe he is... I'll leave that up to you.

Side: Because he can't

i dont agree with either side but ill choose this side over he doesnt exist, because.....

when scientists run their experiments do they help out their experiments?

no. they just let nature run its course.

Now if you say that god is evil, you have to say scientists are evil too, because its based off the same logic

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
1 point

The difference between the "scientist" and God is that the scientist is not supposed to be omnipotent and all-knowing.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

i believe that god is real and he is helping us. he CAN help us! he IS helping us! who do you think makes it so you dont run into a car tommorrow hm?

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
1 point

i believe that god is real and he is helping us. he CAN help us! he IS helping us!

That's nice. And I'm a choo-choo train...

who do you think makes it so you dont run into a car tommorrow hm?

No one?

Side: Because he isn't real
Apeman(11) Disputed
1 point

Who do you think makes it so you don't run into a car tomorrow hm?

Well.. Me, Myself and I.

I'm wondering how you can be sure it's God keeping you from harm? It could just as well be the devil.. now before you say, the devil is evil, therefore he would cause you harm instead of keeping you out of harm, let me tell you a story that actually happened.

In the first world war a British soldier encountered a wounded German soldier, but just before shooting him he was struck by a deep feeling of compassion and let the German live. This act of mercy saved the German from certain death. Logically the German suspected it had to be an act of God, guiding the British soldier not kill him in cold blood. Later on he even went so far to claim God wanted him to survive to do God's divine work. That German soldier was Adolf Hitler.. plunging the world in yet another war, killing 60-70 million people.

If God did guide the Brit, then God is evil, since being all knowing would've give him the foresight into the future and thus knew millions would die. He'd would have known that "his" people would be systematically murdered by the millions.. even the innocent children. This all could've be prevented if the soldier didn't show mercy and killed Hitler right there and then.

If God didn't guide the Brit, then God is just as evil, since being all knowing would've give him the foresight into the future and thus knew millions would die. He'd would have known that "his" people would be systematically murdered by the millions.. even the innocent children. This all could've be prevented if the soldier didn't show mercy and killed Hitler right there and then.

The reality of things is that there is no God and people finally started to realize this as fact after being informed about the horrors of the concentration camps.

Not being harmed in an accident and thanking God for this is incredibly stupid, since the world is full of suffering.. why would God safe you and not a child fighting cancer or the thousands dying of malaria, aids or famine every single day?

Side: Because he isn't real

We are given free will to make our own decisions. He helps us by giving us choices. Therefore he cannot directly help us since he already gave us free will which would contradict his gift.

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
1 point

We are given free will to make our own decisions.

There is no evidence that we have free will, let alone that it was given to us. In fact, research increasingly indicates that the absence of free will is more probable than its existence (source).

He helps us by giving us choices. Therefore he cannot directly help us since he already gave us free will which would contradict his gift.

How is it helpful or a gift to introduce the capacity for bad when you do not have to, particularly when you know full well that that capacity will be realized?

Side: Because he isn't real
Apeman(11) Disputed
1 point

Are the 10 commandments evidence God made a mistake giving us free will?

Is God a hypocrite by blames us for exercising that free will e.g. deciding not following his cult and then threatening us with eternal torment in hell?

God is exactly like a mobster saying, "Don't worry.. you pay up or not, it's your choice.. but we'll break your legs if you don't pay up!"

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

The presence of God gives us spiritual support,makes us always believe in the miracle and gives us a ray of hope when we have done everything what we human beings can do in front of the disasters.It doesn't mean that He must appear in a shape of creature to lead us,but it's undoubtedly our believe in God makes us don't give up too easily when the untoward circumstances arise.

Side: Because he can't
7 points

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?" - Epicurus, 33 A.D.

Side: Because he isn't real
GuitarGuy(6105) Clarified
2 points

How did Epicurus say that quote in 33 A.D. if he died over 200 years earlier?

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Clarified
1 point

This, of course, does nothing to address the content of the quotation. The statement is also widely attributed to him by multiple sources; the place I pulled it from obviously and unfortunately wrote the date incorrectly.

Side: Because he can't
1 point

You obviously dont understand free will

we have free will, this is a fact, you can prove this by going to do whatever the hell you want to do.

instant proof.

now, to intervene in someones free will is to take it away, so either you believe we have free will or we dont.

God doesnt decide "oh this person is about to go murder someone let me change their mind"

no that would be 100% YOUR own choice, based on YOUR free will.

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
1 point

1. Free will is a delusion, not a reality. This is a good summary explaining why. Feeling like you chose something is not proof that you actually did.

2. If free will actually did exist, then we would be left with the following: God created evil/bad (unless God is not all-powerful) knowing full-well (unless God is not omnipotent) that it would be enacted, and chooses to continue letting it exist as an option (unless God is impotent) even when it harms those who are "good" (which would make God malevolent). So, actually, the argument advanced by Epicurus would hold true even if free will were more than a delusion.

Side: Because he isn't real
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
0 points

Several questions must be raised from this, including but not limited to:

(1) Even if God did create evil, whence did good come, if good is greater than evil?

(2) In what system is this statement logically consistent, if there is no basis for morality but subjectivity, which is analytically impossible?

Side: Because he can't
Jace(4696) Disputed
2 points

(1) This does nothing to refute the above statement. God still created evil and either chooses or is incapable of preventing and/or eliminating it.

(2) There is none, but we are debating within a debate framework that presumes the existence of "good". Further, subjective morality may still be debated but not absolutely determined with certainty.

Side: Because he isn't real
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

1. he simply fucked up.

2 morality is subjective .

Side: Because he isn't real

God can do anything as he is omnipotent. If there was anything he couldn't do then he wouldn't be God.

Side: Because he isn't real
GuitarGuy(6105) Disputed
1 point

Maybe God can only do all that is possible. What is it you'd expect God to do?

Side: Because he can't
1 point

If there is anything he can't do he isn't God. I expect him to help people and not to allow such suffering exist. Also people needing suffering isn't a good enough argument for God allowing it to exist in the way it does in case you're going to use that.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god?" - Epicurus, 33 A.D.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

I mean, I think that the above view is a more cut dry way to show how I feel on this, but it's not really my point of view. IMO if god does exist, (we need a definition of "god" to agree upon first) then we cannot go out and say that he is evil for letting bad things happen to us, or good for letting good things happen to is, it's over-interpenetrating. If god does exist then we cannot even begin to understand his intentions.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

It is far to egocentric to believe that this divine entity would put all his emphasis on the human species. We believe in God because we want to believe that optimism is inherent in the universe. We want to make our own lives better, which is what God does for many people. But existing because it is "good" does not justify it's existence in the first place.

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

Same reason santa doesn't bring you gifts.........................................................

Side: Because he isn't real
1 point

I am sure the theists have excuses...................................................

Side: Because he isn't real