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Because... It isn’t.
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Why is equality good?

Because...

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It isn’t.

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Hello A:

Equality under the LAW is good. If you don't know why, what I have to say about it won't convince you.. Other than that, it's a meaningless concept.

excon

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Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Equality under the LAW is good...Other than that, it's a meaningless concept

You don’t think it is important that there are differences in the demographics of poverty and wealth?

Do you think unequal demographics of the incarcerated population means that equality before the law is failing?

Would it make sense to discuss equality of opportunity and equality of outcomes on the other side of this debate?

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excon(18261) Disputed
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Hello A:

People AREN'T equal.. The treatment of people isn't equal. That's just the way it is.. The government has NO interest in changing ANY of that..

The government DOES, however, guarantee equality of opportunity. What one DOES with that opportunity is NOT the governments concern. Equality of OUTCOME is not guaranteed. The 14th Amendment would be a good place to look for that right..

excon

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It is NOT for the reason critics think. It is not because everyone is supposed to have the same ability, the same money, the same lives.

It is because for the vast majority of human history it was normal for inequality to be embraced. Those were the centuries in which the rich and powerful wallowed in it while large segments of society floundered and starved. And the men, in whichever color was dominant in their geography, had all the money and power, and women or people of other colors were outright forbidden to even have a chance at it.

Equality is good because it's that ideal which stops us from going back to being crushed under the boot of the privileged.

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Amarel(5669) Clarified
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for the vast majority of human history it was normal for inequality to be embraced. Those were the centuries in which the rich and powerful wallowed in it while large segments of society floundered and starved

What does it mean to embrace equality? If it is not the leveling of money, opportunity, or some other aspect of life, what is it?

And the men, in whichever color was dominant in their geography, had all the money and power, and women or people of other colors were outright forbidden to even have a chance at it

Is it enough to remove the social/legal restrictions that support inequality, or do we need to actively seek equality by spreading the money, power, and women?

Equality is good because it's that ideal which stops us from going back to being crushed under the boot of the privileged.

By removing the boot or removing the privilege?

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Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Embracing inequality is when those who don't get something are told that's the way it always was, always will be, is the natural order of things, they're forbidden from it or get it second or third string, and that's why society is great.

Embracing equality depends on what society is trying to rectify. It can be as simple as getting to vote when they previously could not. In more extreme cases it can be wealth and property reassignment like what happened after Apartheid ended.

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I disagree with excon and Grenashe on this topic because I believe equality of people is a first principle virtue. Inequality is a poison in society, dividing people into winners and losers which harms the social contract between citizens and a government which sponsors the inequality of capitalist economics.

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Amarel(5669) Clarified
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equality of people is a first principle virtue. Inequality is a poison in society

What makes it a virtue? In what way is inequality poisonous? What is it about the fact that not everyone succeeds at their own endeavors that is harmful to the social contract?

government which sponsors the inequality of capitalist economics.

If, as excon claims, equality before the law is all that matters, then equality is not precluded by capitalism. Perhaps you could clarify the equality you’re referencing. Do you refer to equality of means, outcomes, or equality before the law?

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Eloy(190) Clarified
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Equality is a virtue because it is a core value which makes society fair and just. The corollary is also true that inequality is a contagion which undermines the the unity of a society. As inequality replaces the cohesion of society with classes so a civilization is ruptured. in an equal society it is not individual success that matters but that each does one's best and when there is a sense that we are all in it together we can work for the common good. That is the essence of our social contract.

I do not agree with excon that equality before the law is all that matters as I explained in my earlier post. If the law is unjust then inequality can be protected by law. The equality I mean is one whereby we are all equally working for the common good and benefiting equally from society's wealth. Everyone's work is equally valued and everyone's need is equally met.

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Equality of rights and equality of opportunity (within reason) are positive but equality of outcome is negative. Equality of opportunity allows people to utilize their merits in order to improve their quality of life and achieve the maximum that they are capable of. This is important not just for the individual but for their society too as their achievements drive progress and/or help those that need it. Equality of rights is important because freedom drives progress, as we have seen with those nations granting greater freedoms (within reason). In addition, if we are to have a body of laws that citizens must adhere to, it makes sense that all citizens must adhere to them rather than absolving certain individuals for whatever reason. The same applies to rights, and granting some citizens additional rights inevitably creates an oppressive ruling class and an underclass, which results in abuse and suffering. This suffering isn't accompanied by any net gain, and in fact is likely to cause the underclass to rise up in violent revolution.

Equality of outcome is a bad thing because hard work and achievement is incentivized by reward. If everybody gets the same reward then what motivation is there to work hard and keep society functioning? Why would anybody innovate revolutionary technologies if there is no incentive to do so? Moreover, those that work hardest deserve to reap the rewards of their industriousness.

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Amarel is equal to an incumberously titty blasted cluster fuck of sausages slathered with ranch dipping sauce perforating his butt hole

Side: It isn’t.