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Debate Score:273
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Will Obama win in 2012?

Yes

Side Score: 148
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No

Side Score: 125
11 points

Yes. Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010. Once people can find jobs, we'll see a lot less of the blind anger we see today.

Though Obama's policies (such as the bank bailouts) are unpopular, they were the right thing to do. In the long run, good policy equals good politics. Also, in the coming months, we will pass a good healthcare bill which will be followed by historic financial reform.

He has the American people's best interest at heart and I think when 2012 rolls around people will recognize that... not the conservative ideologues of course... but you know, rational people.

Side: yes
lawnman(1106) Disputed
8 points

Yes. Economists expect employment to be back by the end of 2010.

Are these the same economists who failed to forecast the current economic recession? Would they also be numbered in the consensus of economists who have never foreseen a recession? Are they also the same economists who’ve never seen a stimulus bill they didn’t praise? Are they also the same economists who faithfully always promise a future of economic hope, lower un-employment, and greater riches? Are they the same economists who can foresee the beginning of economic good times and yet never do foresee the beginning of economic woes? Are these the same economists who are to be blamed for the mantra “house prices will always appreciate”? Are these the same economists who are paid to forecast good-news? Are these the same economists who refuse to invest their wages despite their prognostications about the economy? Are these the same economists whose powers of divination are measured by consumer confidence?

Shall I continue…?

BTW, Obama will be awarded the Nobel Prize for economics because of his intention to save not only the US economy but also the economy of the World.

Side: yes
jessald(1915) Disputed
3 points

Nobody has a crystal ball. We all understand this. Come back when you have a real argument. (And no, paranoid ad hominem is not a real argument.)

Side: yes
jtopolnak(158) Disputed
2 points

No not the ones Obama was getting his information from I would like to know the names of those economist that told him his Stimulus was passed that unemployment would stop at 8.5%. There where many that where seeing a recession in late Oct 07 and myself included. Being in real estate I had a good feeling that there was going to be a bust and i even made my sellers take some offers then that they thought where low but now that look back and see how far down they would have been they are thankful, they would have lost even more. Peter Schiff was one out of many that saw this coming. I Even was selling stock short before the crash on Oct 08 and made out pretty well. I'm not an economist but I have a degree in it and numbers to me make sense I understand what is happening and I can predict with good accuracy of what will lie ahead. If in the next year unemployment the national average gets below 9.5% or lower that would be huge for Obama. I hope for everyones sake that it does.

Side: yes
dtrimble(32) Disputed
5 points

Doesn't saying "Economists expect" suggest that they are all in agreement? That is not the case. Not all economists agree with that. There are very successful and reputable economists that say that we have not seen the worst of it yet!

Its not a matter of people finding jobs so much as it is companies hiring those people.

It is my opinion that the current administrations policies are not favorable for that happening.

I disagree with your assertion that the bail outs were the correct thing to do but that is another debate.

Just my opinion.

Looking forward to your "rational" response. :_)

Side: No
4 points

You are correct with that they do expect us to see more pain ahead how much more I don't know. But when you are talking about a huge budget, increase with more taxes during a time when people and employer's are struggling to make it, it leaves no incentive to hire. i attend a monthly business group here in Charlotte NC with different companies and they all say the same thing there is a big issue with uncertainty and confidence is low. The biggest concerns lie with new legislation that will require more capital from companies in time when capital is needed.

Side: No
jtopolnak(158) Disputed
3 points

Just like they only expected unemployment or at least the ones on Obama's payroll to hit 8.5% today we hit 10.2% and still going higher. If you ask them where are the new jobs they don't know. He has at least 2.5 years to do something and to have hopes of re-election but juding by the recent races in New Jersey and Virgina his base has made a shift that Obama should have concern about. We shall see! I hope for all of us that things get better.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

"Just like they only expected unemployment or at least the ones on Obama's payroll to hit 8.5% today we hit 10.2% and still going higher."

Everyone knows that employment numbers are ALWAYS a lagging economic indicator. The recession is about to be officially declared to be over...wake up...

"but juding by the recent races in New Jersey and Virgina his base has made a shift"

...in your wild dreams that is. You are constantly talking about NJ & VA as if they are national trends, when there is ZERO evidence that there are, period.

Side: It is too early to tell
8 points

Jesus some people are retarded.

@ Itsnotright:

Banished? You didnt even spell it right you redneck retard. What are you doing on a computer anyway?

As for the question. Because most Americans are as stupid as "itsnotright" I would have to say that the economy has to just start making a come back around the time of the re-election. If it gets better and stays better earlier then all the gun toting gay hating people will come out and vote for the republican. If it doesnt happen at all or only minimally then people will blame him for not doing a good job and will vote the other way.

I voted yes on this question because I do think he will bring the economy around but I think it will take about three years which is right around election time.

Side: yes
6 points

I'd say it's a little early to tell. We've not even gotten to the one-year mark since his inauguration.

And there's no telling what the next two years will hold for our country. It will surely depend on what additional issues we face and how they are dealt with.

Although on the basis of his current work, so long as the economy does rebound within the next year, and nothing else happens, he'd win a second term.

Side: yes
5 points

He will win the Nobel prize in economics weeks before his re-election that November.

(Don't forget Clinton's slogan: "Its the economy, stupid!")

It worked for Slick Willie, it too shall work for Obama.

Side: yes
5 points

i think obama because obama been a good president so far all the good things he done for us

Side: yes
5 points

Yes he will because he has helped alot and he hasn't been in office a full year yet. It's time for change and I think Obama is going to be the one who makes the change. People need to start supporting him more and understand that the world was messed up before he got in office. He has made a lot of things better so yes he will win in 2012.

Side: yes
4 points

No matter what happens with Obama's policies, the Republicans have moved too far to the right to produce a candidate with moderate appeal. While the Republican nominee used to be decided with a lot of input from party elites, the far right talk shows have taken over the party since Obama's election. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh will not allow moderates like Giuliani or Huckabee, or even traditional Republicans like Gingrich to become the Republican nominee. Instead, far right "heroes" such as Palin will dominate the nomination process. These candidates will inevitably run poor campaigns that focus on false and trite attacks that the electorate is no longer as vulnerable to due to the widespread internet and decline of a single, easily influenced mass media. However, the Republicans will give a strong convention that will make people wonder if Obama is vulnerable, until a disastrous performance in the debates eliminates whatever hope they had. Thereafter, the Republican campaign will devolve into infighting and will run out of money due to the poor management skills of its leadership, which will cause all but approximately 40% of electorate, representing essentially tea-baggers, loyal republicans, and mistake voters, to turn against them. Obama will then win by a clear margin.

Side: yes
3 points

Obama is a very smart black man who is also the most popular man in the planet!He's the first ever black American president and the people love him!He will be greater than Washington and Linkoln!Yes,he will win in 2012

Side: yes
dtrimble(32) Disputed
2 points

disregard this message i am tired :)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I even voted myself down!

Side: No
2 points

Of course Obama is going to win that guys a boss he will boss his way till all his trems are complete, theres no taling him down! Barack Obama is unbeatable!!

Side: yes
2 points

yes he will because alot of people want change and have an african american president!

Side: yes
2 points

Yes because America has finally seen the bright side of things and had the first african american President that made history

Side: yes
Jackanapes(2) Disputed
1 point

Wait? Because Obama is African-American you appeal to the public as somehow deciding for Obama on that reason? Hillary Clinton would have probably been President if not for Obama.

Don't make this a racial issue because if Obama fails miserably than what does that do for history and the first African-American President?

Side: No
2 points

Saddly yes, I HOPE not, but yes.

Because people don't really realize what he's doing, they just take him because he's African American and they want ~~CHANGE~~.

Hopefully by the end of his term people will be like "eh i don't think so."

We'll see !!

Side: yes

Yes, Obama will win in 2012 because by the then, the economy will bounce back to a decent level of satisfaction. Besides, there is no real Republican who can challenge him right now with a so called celebrity status. Maybe this is why Palin is on the show face campaign before presidency campaign.

Side: yes
1 point

It's either Obama or Palin and I really think you want Obama.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

Palin has successfully killed off her chances of winning any higher office. She's a proven quitter. When the going gets tough, the tough don't quit.

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

obama wont win but what difference does it make who wins? whoever gets elected will carry out the orders of the corporations just like all the others. civil liberties will continue to disapear, the u.s. will continue expanding their military. it will start new wars with people. rich people will get further tax cuts. you can call me nostradamus.

Side: yes
1 point

Yep.

Side: Yes

It is now 2015 and I am glad that I was with the voting majority that re-elected President Obama.

Side: Yes

It is now 2015 and I am happy that I voted with the majority to re-elect Obama as President.

Side: Yes
0 points

yes obama will win because he is one of the best presidents weve ever had

Side: yes
-1 points

yes

well he won the Nobel prize which is not given to anyone

Side: yes
Sturchy(23) Disputed
2 points

Maria Skłodowska-Curie

Linus Paulin

The Curie family claim the most Nobel Prizes, with five:

Maria Skłodowska-Curie

Her husband Pierre Curie

Their daughter Irène Joliot-Curie

Their son-in-law Frederic Joliot-Curie

In addition, Henry Labouisse, the husband of the Curies' second daughter Ève, was the director of UNICEF when it won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1965.

Gunnar Myrdal (Economics, 1974) and wife Alva Myrdal (Peace, 1982)

J. J. Thomson, awarded the Nobel prize for Physics in 1906, was the father of George Paget Thomson who was awarded the Nobel prize for Physics in 1937.

William Henry Bragg shared the Nobel prize in Physics in 1915 with his son, William Lawrence Bragg.

Niels Bohr won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1922, and his son Aage Bohr won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1975.

Manne Siegbahn, who won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1924, was the father of Kai Siegbahn who shared the Nobel prize in Physics in 1981.

Hans von Euler-Chelpin shared the Nobel prize in Chemistry in 1929 with Arthur Harden. His son, Ulf von Euler, was awarded the Nobel prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1970.

C.V. Raman who won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1930, was the uncle of Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar who won the Nobel prize in Physics in 1983.

Arthur Kornberg shared with Severo Ochoa the 1959 Nobel prize in Physiology or Medicine for their discovery of the mechanisms in the biological synthesis of ribonucleic acid and deoxyribonucleic acid.[37] Kornberg's son Roger won the 2006 Nobel prize in Chemistry for his studies of the molecular basis of eukaryotic transcription.[38]

Jan Tinbergen, who won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 1969, was the brother of Nikolaas Tinbergen who shared the 1973 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine with Konrad Lorenz and Karl von Frisch.

Did you say no one wins the Nobel Prize?

Side: No
1 point

does this guy even know why he won the prize? well if you wanna know its for doing his damn job thats right all he did was take some nukes which is his job, to be a peace keeper, maybe not in other countries but we always do anyway

Side: No
shaneyam99(112) Disputed
1 point

you ever heard of a man by the name of martin luther king junior, if im not mistaken he has his own national holiday?

Side: No
6 points

I'm not saying this is definite or anything and I don't want to jinx it, but if New Jersey can elect a Republican governor, then there is still hope. New Jersey is one of the most liberal/democratic states due to its population density and urban background, but on Tuesday, we elected Chris Christie as the next governor of the state, a Republican. :D

Also, I feel like Obama had so much hype that a lot of Americans are sort of disillusioned. Of course, many still think he's the Messiah, but more and more people who voted for him and supported him are realizing that he's not doing nearly as much as he said he would.

Side: No
jessald(1915) Disputed
6 points

The vast majority of people who voted for Obama did so because they recognized him as a capable leader. The only people who ever call him a messiah are Republicans making strawman attacks.

He would be able to accomplish a lot more if the Republicans in Congress would cooperate. Right now they are purposely doing everything they can to hold him back, just so they can watch his approval rating go down. Fortunately he seems to be slowly moving forward despite their obstructionism.

Side: yes
3 points

Hey nice job electing Chris Christie!

Anyways, most conservatives hate the north east, but I like it. Minus the liberals. (=

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"but if New Jersey can elect a Republican governor, then there is still hope."

Well, the outgoing Governor of NJ did an absolutely horrible job, and if this new GOPer doesn't turn things around, he'll be out on his ear soon enuff. NJ will NEVER go for a GOPer in a Presidential election.

"Of course, many still think he's the Messiah"

No, that's another strawman argument from the Right-wing, period.

Side: It is too early to tell
JoshB42385(19) Disputed
1 point

I believe that Obama is defiantly not doing a horrible job, i dont think he has done anything wrong, but at the same time nothing right either. I think that the ONLY way republicans win this debate is through Ron Paul he is the best candidate and the most liked!

Side: yes
4 points

I don't think so. He won becuase a large independant base and even Republican base voted for him I am one of those. His ideals and policies are too radical and he may have a tough time getting re-elected. His best hope is that the GOP does a bonehead move and put another McCain Palin like ticket. IF someone like Bob McDonell runs I think Obama will lose.

Side: No
3 points

I agree. Most of his support was based off of Bush's failures. The American public failed to realize that Bush does not equal McCain. Instead, they assumed McCain would do the same things as Bush. Also, they saw Obama as sort of a messiah, a savior for America.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"The American public failed to realize that Bush does not equal McCain."

Really?? Then why, praytell, did McSame run away from his own positions on issue after issue to take on GWB's positions??

"Also, they saw Obama as sort of a messiah, a savior for America."

Nobody on the Left ever said this, period.

Side: It is too early to tell
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
0 points

"IF someone like Bob McDonell runs I think Obama will lose."

People barely even know who that guys is!

Side: It is too early to tell
3 points

Well, i m not saying that he is not going to, but i dont want him to....he is messing up our country!!!

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
3 points

Nice lack of an argument there...ugh...try again wing-nut...

Side: It is too early to tell
Manastacious(22) Disputed
2 points

So, In your opinion, taking our country out of a recession is messing up our country. What about Bush? Would you consider sending us into a trillion dollar war that would send our country into huge debt that we don'. really need to be fighting messing up our country?

Side: yes
2 points

I dont think he should get voted in again...we have people over here starving to death,people who cant afford to go to the doctor,no jobs anywhere....but yet lets send 7.3 billion dollars to another country to help them out...it dont make sence. you have to take care of your own first

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"but yet lets send 7.3 billion dollars to another country to help them out"

What are you even talking about??

Side: It is too early to tell
2 points

um..no. i hope to god he don't. he is trying to make schools go year round....screw him. i mean i'm a junior and he doesn't need to go running everyone lives. he needs to get a hobby and stand down as president. in the end someone will take a stand and tell that man how they truly feel about him. 85% of Tennesseans voted for him out of pity. McCain should have won....i would have voted for him if i was old enough.

Side: No
1 point

I don't think he'll make it that far. And NO, I'm not talking about that. I think he'll be bannished before then.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"I think he'll be bannished before then."

And what are you even talking about?? Do even YOU know?? My goodness...

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

No because obama sucks. He said hes not going to send any more troops to Iraq but i heard he did so he is a liar i don't like him. So no i don't think he going to win in 2012.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"He said hes not going to send any more troops to Iraq but i heard he did so he is a liar"

Ummm, Obama has sent in ZERO new troops to Iraq. The USA will be massively reducing its troop numbers in Iraq in 2010. Watch & learn...

Side: It is too early to tell
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

Yes, Obama did end the Iraq war. Wait, but why are there still 15,000 U.S. troops there?...........

Side: No
1 point

No!

At least I hope he doesn't.

The thing I don't get is that every thing that went wrong during the Bush Administration is Bush's fault.

Everything that has gone wrong in the Obama administration is the people's fault because we voted for him (even though I didn't vote for him)

Side: No
1 point

I am trying to remember when the last liberal president won re-election with out being a centrist?

Help anyone?

No he will not win.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
4 points

"I am trying to remember when the last liberal president won re-election with out being a centrist?"

FDR, Truman...need I go on??

Side: It is too early to tell
dtrimble(32) Disputed
1 point

Thats 50 years I think you just proved my point.

Thank you for your response.

Side: No
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

No he will not win.

Wrong he did.

Side: Yes
1 point

OK lets stop rite now and lets look at Obamas accomplishments. No he will not win in 2012 unless he does some mighty big things until then.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

"OK lets stop rite now and lets look at Obamas accomplishments."

Well, this is what he's done so far (or what will be done very shortly):

-the Gitmo torture prison will have been closed & the truly guilty from there will have been held to a real standard of justice

-the vast majority of our troops will be out of Iraq (as the American people have wanted for over 3 years now)

-over 4 million more children will be insured through SCHIP

-new research will have been done using new lines of embryonic stem cells

-the economy will be roaring back after one of the worst recessions in almost 100 years

-the American auto industry will be on the mend after being re-focused on making products that Americans truly need in the long-term

-credit card companies & financial institutions will be under new regulations to prevent Americans from being ripped off in the future

-better relations will have been established with Iran & Russia

-a massive reform of our health care system in the USA will have been passed that will not allow health insurance companies to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, to cut off coverage for people that get sick, and to monopolize health insurance costs by denying Americans access to real competition for their health care dollars

-more Americans will have health insurance coverage

-more Americans will be paying less in payroll taxes

-more investment will have occurred in truly renewable, clean, and infinite sources of energy

And who knows what else will be done by 2012...

Side: yes
brabradabrat(1) Disputed
0 points

HEY guess what!?!?!?!? Thats my point even you can't say what he has done RIGHT NOW. There's a lot of "will's" instead of "is" in your argument. And I guarantee you over half of those goals you listed won't get accomplished while he's in office. And the American people could see that unlike you.

Side: No
1 point

I think that obama wont win year 2012 because there are a lot of people that were really angry with the outcome and with more teens become the age to vote then I feel that if he does apply again for president he won't win. . . Unless the candidates are even stupider then him..

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

"I think that obama wont win year 2012 because there are a lot of people that were really angry with the outcome"

...which were in the minority of people that voted for McSame.

"and with more teens become the age to vote"

Where's the evidence that "teens" are anti-Obama?? I think it's quite the opposite.

"Unless the candidates are even stupider then him"

You mean like Palin...lol...

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

obama has done such a horrible job as president so far and more and more people are staring to realize it every day so i dont even think he should be nominated for the democratic party for the 2012 election.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

To suggest that the Dems won't nominate their own President to run in 2012 is simply ridiculous!

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

I don't think so because he said he will change the United States. But the United States is still going deeper in debt. We need someone who can stand up to Economic Crisis... Not someone who is just going to let our COUNTRY go deeper in debt.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

"But the United States is still going deeper in debt"

...due mostly to the mismanagement of GOP Presidents of the past.

"We need someone who can stand up to Economic Crisis"

...which Obama has done pretty successfully so far. The American economy is starting to turn around under his leadership.

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

Unless Obama shifts more to the center I see no way other than national emergency that he will remain in office. My support could have easily been yes and the same argument applies. The radical Saul Alinsky type blinders the President has are becoming manifest. But Barack Obama is still a rock star who no doubt has more tricks up his sleeve.

Side: No
1 point

where i live only the black people like obama and thats because hes black and they dont have any idea why is a good president. if you ask they look stupid for a second then call you racist because apparently they think that we made a judgment about him being black and that has absolutly no bearing on the fact that he has never done anything to help me as an individual and all the other things that are other debates so i cant bring them up at this time

Side: No
1 point

i don't think he should because he still is trying to fight the war

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

...that Al-Qaeda & their allies the Taliban started in 2001 when they attacked us. All Obama is trying to do is clean up the mess that GWB left us all.

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

No, he will not win in 2012. BECAUSE:

His "change" remarks, never came true. He's done nothing to help this country. I believe he told everyone, when he's president, he'll take ALL of the troops out of the Middle East, (which I enjoy them there..) But you know what he did? He sent 40,000 MORE.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"He's done nothing to help this country"

...except turn America's economy around from the brink of a depression.

"I believe he told everyone, when he's president, he'll take ALL of the troops out of the Middle East"

Obama never said this at all. Under his leadership, we are going to be withdrawing the vast majority of our troops from Iraq next year & increasing our troop presence in Afghanistan, just like he said he would do during the 2008 campaign.

Side: It is too early to tell
1 point

Obama didn't do all the tasks that he promised to the people of USA. Therefore, Obama stinks, and yet again, Obama won't be the next president of the USA. (I think)

Side: No

America is starting to realize that President Obama is a socialist. He wants to spread the wealth.

Side: No
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

America is starting to realize that President Obama is a socialist. He wants to spread the wealth.

Try studying what socialism is. To put it simply, Obama is not socialist because socialism requires state ownership and control of businesses, wage control, and control of wealth distribution.

Side: yes
LibertyLife(197) Disputed
1 point

Try studying what socialism is. To put it simply, Obama is not socialist because socialism requires state ownership and control of businesses, wage control, and control of wealth distribution.

Maybe you should. Obama admits that he wants to redistribute wealth.

State ownership and control of businesses:

Government sponsored corporations include Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Farmer Mac

Federal Government chartered and owned corporations include Florida Virtual School (Florida), National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak), Tennessee Valley Authority, Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, Federal Crop Insurance Corporation, Millennium Challenge Corporation, St. Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation, Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, Corporation for National and Community Service (Americorps), Overseas Private Investment Corporation, Legal Services Corporation, USPS, AMTRAK, many alcohol retail stores of which 19 states have monopolies, Medicare, and Medicaid.

Federal Government acquired corporations include GM, CITIGROUP, AIG and many others.

Wage Control

Not Permanent but Under Nixon and Carter.

Control of wealth distribution

Apparently, you should try reading. How about welfare and social security?

Side: No
0 points

Obama won't win because he's a horrible president and people will regret voting for him and they will vote against him.

Side: No
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
2 points

Nice lack of an "argument" there wing-nut...ugh...what a joke...

Side: It is too early to tell
Cuaroc(8826) Disputed
1 point

He did win though.

Side: Yes
-3 points
altarion(1955) Disputed
6 points

That is a really bad argument.

He is with abortion and yet he has children!!!!

So what?! Is his wife pregnant? For all you know maybe she had an abortion at one point in your life. Saying something is ok for people to do doesn't necessarily mean you are going to do it yourself. You make it seem like all pro-choice activists hate kids, which certainly is NOT true!

Side: No