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Yes, we're doomed. No, it's a squib.
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Will the CERN Large Hadron Collider destroy the world?

Artificial black holes have feelings too

Yes, we're doomed.

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No, it's a squib.

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Zealots Playing God! - 'The World is not Enough'

Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed 'Higgs Boson'(aka 'God') Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments to try to solve theoretical problems when urgent real problems face the planet. The European Organization for Nuclear Research(CERN) new Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is the world's most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing clouds of Micro Black Holes, Strangelets and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.

The CERN-LHC website Mainpage itself states quote: "There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions,..." This stunning admission is because they truly don't know what's going to happen. They are experimenting with forces they don't understand to obtain results they can't comprehend. If you think like most people do that 'They must know what they're doing.' you could not be more wrong. Some people think the same thing about medical Dr.s but consider this by way of comparison and example from JAMA: "A recent Institute of Medicine report quoted rates estimating that medical errors kill between 44,000 and 98,000 people a year in US hospitals." The second part of the quote reads "...but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator,..." A molecularly changed or Black Hole consumed Lifeless World? The end of the quote reads "as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe." These experiments to date have so far produced infinitely more questions than answers but there isn't a particle experimentalist physicist alive who wouldn't gladly trade his life to glimpse the "God particle", and sacrifice the rest of us with him.

This quote from National Geographic exactly sums this "science" up: "That's the essence of experimental particle physics: You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out."

For more information visit;

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm

http://www.lhcdefense.org/

http://www.lhcconcerns.com

http://www.SaneScience.org/

http://www.LHCFacts.org

Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ extreme_machines/4216588.html"

509 days ago
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Since CERN predicts that the Large Hadron Collider MIGHT create micro black holes at a rate of ONE PER SECOND, why should we consider this safe? What is the known margin of safety?

CERN does assure the public that there is "no risk". But they have always said that, except when they said minimal risk (alleged in the legal action in US Federal Courts). Why no reasonable risk? Do we know if micro black holes might be dangerous, even possibly an existential threat to the planet?

A. Do micro black holes evaporate? (Best answer: Unknown, no compelling case to say they would evaporate based on several recent studies).

B. How fast would a micro black hole grow if it did not evaporate? (Best answer: Unknown, no compelling evidence of either slow or fast growth. Credible theories predict both.)

If micro black holes evaporate or grow extremely slowly, then they will not destroy the planet. But we don't currently know the answer to those questions... CERN recently stated that a new safety study has been completed that proves reasonable safety. But this report has not been released to the public.

Learn more at LHCFacts.org

532 days ago
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I hear numerous scientists repeat the theory that micro black holes evaporate. The theory has been around for more that 30 years. But what do recent scientific studies that attempted to confirm the theory say?

Dr. Adam D. Helfer: Do black holes radiate?

Quote: “no compelling theoretical case for or against radiation by black holes“

Dr. William G. Unruh and Prof. Ralf Schützhold: On the Universality of the Hawking Effect

Quote: “Therefore, whether real black holes emit Hawking radiation or not remains an open question“

Prof. V.A. Belinski: On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole “quote”

Quote: “…the effect [Hawking Radiation] does not exist.“

That does not sound too reassuring to me. Sounds like micro black holes are just as likely to grow as evaporate.

What about growing too slowly to pose a threat?

Professor Dr. Otto E. Rössler

Quote translated from German: “ …after 50 months the earth to a centimeter would have shrunk. It would be nothing more there, not only no more life, there but also the earth would be… a small black hole."

Learn More at LHCFacts.org

532 days ago
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I don't really think so, but I'm no expert. I read one of the guys involved said,"..probably won't create a black hole." Probably wont?! Probably?! Still, most of the scientist I have read from on the subject aren't worried. I'll have to side with them due to my ignorance.

On a side note, if it was my decision, I would make sure we mastered space travel before they go trying that experiment. That way they can go and test it far, far from Earth.

550 days ago
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I heard about this on the SGU podcast, and scientists do say that a tiny black hole could be created, yet it would collapse right away.

By the way, when the last collider came online, the same people went around and yelled about the end of the world - nothing happened.

Please reply, if you remember the source for this - couldn't find it....

550 days ago

The fear originated from suspicions that a quantum black hole could be formed. We don't know if it will happen for sure, but even if it did, quantum black holes evaporated almost instantly.

549 days ago
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