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Yes, of course. There's no way in hell.
Debate Score:121
Arguments:84
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Will you take the ObamaCare RFID chips?

People of faith, tell me if this doesn't sound familiar.  Non-believers, think of this in terms of our current civilization - societal collapse, Communism, catastrophe, perhaps?  You decide.

 

Yes, of course.

Side Score: 62
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There's no way in hell.

Side Score: 59
5 points

Why do you guys do things like this? Make up lies and BS to smear the policies of this president and the president himself. If you are going to argue against Obama and Obamacare, do so on its merits, not lies and BS like this. "Obama's a muslim! Obama was born in Kenya! -releases birth certificate- It's a fake! Obama hates America! Obamacare is like the Nazis! Obama wants to put tracking chips in you..LIKE STALIN! Obama is Hitler! Blah blah blah..."

It's getting old.

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By the way, here are the facts: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

Supporting Evidence: The facts. (www.snopes.com)
2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
Th3ZViru5(149) Disputed
1 point

I have given you the facts to back up my argument, plain as day. Do you mean to tell me that when you hear indefinite detainment in military prisons (which translates to you will NEVER get out of Guantanamo Bay) without a trial (which means they can snatch you up off the street and immediately detain you without following due process), that doesn't sound frightening to you? Gee, indefinite detainment. Military prisons. No right to trial. Sounds VERY similar to how the Jewish holocaust began.

As for the RFID chips, I don't know how many times I have to quote the direct verbage from the bill, but if you still don't believe even after seeing the proof, then I'd only be wasting my time going over it, yet again.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
Apollo(1594) Disputed
2 points

1. You have yet to give a single fact. Show me textual evidence from the PPACA bill signed into law that proves your lies.

2. Disprove my source

3. Down-voting me was unwarranted. That is used for spam, or blatantly erronious arguments, not because you disgagree.

As for indefinite detainment. Read Obama's signing statement and the call him hitler.

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
echo1434(1) Disputed
2 points

Sorry, but you are indeed spreading a lie. It's impossible for me to prove that something does not exist in a bill (except for posting the entire bill and having you read it to see that it's not there).

The reality is that there were some more specific RFID provisions in an older version of the health care bill that DID NOT MAKE IT into the final bill that was passed.

Don't get me wrong, I think there are a lot of people in our government (and outside of it as well) that would love to have the entire nation/world chipped, and I do fear this reality.

But when people spread false information, it makes anti-microchipping activists look like fools and hurts your case, because people are less likely to believe you when the REAL times comes - and they may not take the issue seriously enough to realize all the evils that could come with it. It's really no different than the boy who cried wolf.

But no, this just isn't happening in May 2013. I guess I'll come back then to post and see what your argument is then.

Again, I do fear "big brother" may try to pull something like this a bit more down the road - but not that soon!

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
Forthepeople(4) Disputed
1 point

That articles from snoopes was written way before The Afforable Healthcare Act passed in 2010. The website mention a bill named H.R 3200 the new bill is H.R 3590 that was passed in 2010. Both bills are almost exactly alike! The H.R 3200 bill didn't pass because it mention about death panels for our elderly. This RFID chip is no hoax! Look up RFID chip on youtube or google RFID chip and it will explain how dangerous this microchip is to the American people. Google H.R 3590 to read the bill.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
0 points
2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
Anthonyhook(178) Disputed
1 point

■Used Executive Privilege in regards to Fast & Furious gun running scandal. When Government misconduct is the concern Executive privilege is negated.

■23 Executive Orders on gun control - infringement of the 2nd Amendment

■2 Executive actions mandating private health information on patients be turned over to NICS - Violation of HIPPA law.

■Executive Order bypassing Congress on immigration – Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; Article II Section 3

■Unilaterally issued new exemptions to immigration restrictions law that bars certain asylum-seekers and refugees who provided “limited material support” to t

errorists. – Article 1 Section 1

■Issued directive instructing ICE to NOT enforce immigration laws in certain cases. Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress; ”he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

■Information memorandum telling states that they can waive the work requirement for welfare recipients, thereby altering the 1996 welfare reform law. - Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress

■NDAA – Section 1021. Due process Rights negated. Violation of 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Amendments.

■Executive Order 13603 NDRP – Government can seize anything

■Executive Order 13524 – Gives INTERPOL jurisdiction on American soil beyond law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

■Executive Order 13636 Infrastructure Cybersecurity – Bypassing Congress Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress

■Attempt to tax political contributions – 1st Amendment

■DOMA Law – Obama directed DOJ to ignore the Constitution and separation of powers and not enforce the law. “ he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,” Article II Section 3

■Dodd-Frank – Due process and separation of powers. Consumer Financial Protection Bureau writing and interpreting law. Article. I. Section. 1

■Drone strikes on American Citizens – 5th Amendment Due process Rights negated

■Bypassed Congress and gave EPA power to advance Cap-n-Trade

■Attempt for Graphic tobacco warnings (under appeal) – 1st Amendment

■Four Exec. appointments – Senate was NOT in recess (Court has ruled unconstitutional yet the appointees still remain)

■Appointing agency czars without the “advice and consent of the Senate.” Violation of Article II, Section 2

■Obama took Chairmanship of UN Security Council – Violation of Section 9.

■ACA (Obamacare) mandate – SCOTUS rewrote legislation and made it a tax because there is no Constitutional authority for Congress to force Americans to engage in commerce. SCOTUS has no authority to Legislate or lay taxes. Article I Section 1 & 8.

■Contraceptive, abortifacients mandate violation of First Ammendment

■Healthcare waivers – No president has dispensing powers

■Refuses to acknowledge state’s 10th Amendment rights to nullify Obamacare

■Going after states (AZ lawsuit) for upholding Federal law (immigration) -10th Amendment.

■Chrysler Bailout -TARP - violated creditors rights and bankruptcy law, as well as Takings and Due Process Clauses – 5th Amendment (G.W. Bush also illegally used TARP funds for bailouts)

■The Independent Payment Advisory Board (appointees by the president). Any decisions by IPAB will instantly become law starting in 2014 – Separation of Powers, Article 1 Section 1.

■Congress did not approve Obama’s war in Libya. Article I, Section 8, First illegal war U.S. has engaged in. Impeachable under Article II, Section 4; War Powers Act – Article II Section 3.

■Obama falsely claims UN can usurp Congressional war powers.

■Obama has acted outside the constitutional power given him – this in itself is unconstitutional.

■With the approval of Obama, the NSA and the FBI are tapping directly into the servers of 9 internet companies to gain access to emails, video/audio, photos, documents, etc. This program is code named PRISM. NSA also collecting data on all phone calls in U.S. – Violation of 4th Amendment.

■Plans to sign U.N. Firearms treaty – 2nd Amendment.

■The Senate/Obama immigration bill (approved by both) raises revenue – Section 7. All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

■Obama altered law – (A president has no authority to alter law) Delayed upholding the Employer Mandate Law (ACA) until 2015 – Individual Mandate will be enforced. A President does not have that authority – Article. I. Section. 1. All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States; The president ”shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed” -Article II, Section 3; Equal Protection Clause -14th Amendment.

■Obama altered law - ACA Medicare cuts delayed until 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

■Obama altered law – Enforcement of eligibility requirements for ACA delayed until 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

■Obama wavered ACA Income Verification Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

■Obama altered law – Delayed ACA caps on out of pocket expenses until 2015. (when implemented premiums will skyrocket) Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3.

■Obama ignored judicial order to fulfill legal obligation regarding Yucca Mountain waste. Article II, Section 3

■Waived Federal provision that prevents U.S. From arming terrorist groups – Article I. Section 1; Impeachable under Article III, Section 3.

■Obama shelves part of the ACA Law for Insurers, extending the life of non-qualifying (according to ACA) plans until Jan. 1, 2015. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3. Violation of the Take Care Clause, Separation of Powers.

■Obama waved ACA individual mandate for those that lost their insurance. Article. I. Section. 1; Article II, Section 3. Violation of the Take Care Clause, Separation of Powers.

http://tisaboutfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/a-list-of-obamas-constitutional-violations/

223 days ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Look up the FDA website and key in search box rfid chip. You will see all the medical devices that have the rfid chip in them. One of 5hem being the gluco chip for diabetics. Yes, the bill does say implantable device in case if the product recalls! It means any medical device that is implanted in you will have a rfid chip.

1 year ago | Side: Yes, of course.
2 points

Yes. Gimme an RFID chip that contains my health history. In fact make it so it tracks my every movement and action. Additionally, I want it to shock me when I make a bad decision and whisper loving words to me when I feel sad, scared, or lonely. Let's just get it over with already. While we're at it let's ban all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco. Ban religion because too many people fight about it. Let's ban anything that is harmful or dangerous such as guns, sharp scissors, cars that go over 50mph(31kph) or create pollution, processed foods, processed sugars, trans-fats, and books that are controversial. Let's get rid of poisonous snakes and spiders. Ban UV rays because it causes skin cancer. BAN IT ALL! THIS WORLD NEEDS to be BABY-PROOFED! //sarcasm

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
rob0915(58) Clarified
1 point

Mr.B is, in essence, describing the Garden of Eden. Except the whole bit about no religion - instead, lets ban all of that except we shall all be force fed 1 single religion for the remainder of time. Sounds like fun - sign me up.

1 year ago | Side: Yes, of course.
2 points

I will die before they put a chip in me and i will take some of those jerks with me

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

If they attempt to force the chip on me, I'll either renounce my citizenship or I'll die before they can make me take it.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
iamdavidh(4848) Disputed
1 point

... wow, you crazy christians sure are in love with your crazy end of days conspiracies.

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
Th3ZViru5(149) Disputed
2 points

I don't remember saying this was the end of days. The end of the world as we know it? Definitely possible.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Only if there Edible. ROFLMAYOROFLMAYOROFLMAYOROFLMAYOROFLMAYO

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
Th3ZViru5(149) Clarified
1 point

You could chew it up. Which would make it defective. GENIUS!

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.

This is a nation with a large Christian population in the bible belt. These people own lots of guns. They "know" about "the mark of the beast." Do you really think Obama is going to succeed in tagging them ;)

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
2 points

I completely agree, and I definitely hope not. However, I have been worried lately at the amount of support he's getting from otherwise good people of the Christian faith. He's already blinded so many of them, and I'm afraid they're so enamored with whatever perceived good he's doing that they might not give the mark of the beast another thought until it's too late.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.

Maybe THEY won't give it a second thought but I'm loading as I type ;)

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Oh, please. Get off your self-righteous pedestal. Attacking a religion doesn't make this issue any less true. Maybe if you researched it a bit, you'd find you're obviously blind.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

The video looks like religious propaganda (666? Seriously!), so I didn't bother to watch it.

However, I would never allow the government control over my body to such an extent. Such a tracker is sure to destroy what little freedom remains, and nothing - nothing - is hacker-proof. Not only does one need to worry about the government, but also regular cyber-criminals.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
Th3ZViru5(149) Disputed
1 point

I completely agree. And I know the title of the video kind of skewed my purpose in asking the question, but I wasn't asking from a religious perspective - I'm just a concerned citizen. :)

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
1 point

I am concern citizen as well. Thanks for poiting that out! Most people think its the Christians that only oppose this bill. I think this is invasion of my privacy. The bill H.R. 3590 saids it will be connected to my bank account. This gives the government a right to deduct any unpaid parking tickets, unpaid taxes such as property taxes from my payroll check or yearly tax refund. You own a business and refused to pay your employees their health insurance ,guess what, the government can step in and take that from you using your microchip without your consent. In addition, the doctors can look up your fiancial records on your chip and deny you care if you have any max out credit cards. Obama chooses who gets national healthcare. That is the problem with Obamacare! It sounds like it will cause more problems in the future. Why can they just use those keychain tags that hook up to your car/house key that have your library card info or your recent points to Super America gas station. Why does it have to be a device that has to be implanted in your skin? That sounds like a horror Sci Fi movie more than the a regular device that suppose to make my life more easy.

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
1 point

I wouldn't want metal or electronics in my body, just because I'm scared of dying.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

The bible said that close to the end there will come the mark of the beast

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
Adamcolquitt Clarified
1 point

The mark of the beast is described as a visual marking showing your allegiance to the anti-christ. If you're going to bring religion into this please for the love of your God. Learn your bible before spewing your "end of the world" crap. Also the anti-christ who I assume you're assuming Obama is. Has Control over entire world promising peace for all. Barack doesn't fit that agenda currently since he supports war.

Would you like to read up on your bible? Kinda makes a bad Christian when they don't know their bible and then they spew stupid stuff about it.

2 years ago | Side: Yes, of course.
1 point

If people look up the company that makes the rfid chip they would see what the real purpose of making this microchip. Please google Digital Angel and Applied Digital. The main purpose is to locate people incase of a natural disaster. The owner got the ideal from the fire fighters who put employee id's numbers on their arms incase they couldn't be identified in 911 disater. Check out my arguments on rfid chip and click on the link to learn more. One of my arguments they would not display.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Hell No!!!, Jesus spoke of the great apostasy, falling away people not trusting and not reading their bibles in the last days this is indeed a unbelieving generation. Rev 13:13 talks about what is happening right now, this one world government, on one can buy or sell with out having the "Mark" of the beast. This is CONTROL!!! economic control. If you don't have this "mark", you will be cut off, you cannot buy or sell!!!. You will be put on economic sanction. Look at what is happening in our world, we are so close to WWW till it is scary!! war can break out in the Middle East killing a third of all mankind according to scripture. Iran wants to blow up Israel, and Israel wants to get them first Iran has a nuclear facility that they are telling everyone that they don't, but they do. I really don't matter what country does what first the US will fight to protect Israel, our allie. All of this ties together with the mark of the beast. "Just as it was in the days of Noah (unbelieving generation) so shall it be at the second coming of man (Jesus Christ) People please wake up before it is to late. Start reading your bibles, Jesus said "I'm telling you this ahead of time" so when we see all the signs we will know that the time is at hand and he is near. Please don't take the implant, you will damn your soul for all eternity. Do yourself a favor by yourself a Bible the (KJV) the King James Version, and read it for yourself. Start in Hebrews, then go to Matthews, then go to the Book of Revelations. If you don't understand something ask a Pastor or a Reverend to explain it to you, and ask God for wisdom and understanding. The next couple of years is going to be REALLY, REALLY BAD!!. Why do you think that Hitler put number on the Jews?.......TO CONTROL THEM!!! and he was the 2nd Antichrist!!!, look at how many people he killed because they were Jews, Jesus was a Jew, and his own mother was also, she was a teenage prostitute, May God bless you and give you wisdom. Peace.

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

I think that this is insane this should not be allowed. It completly takes away are rights as U.S citizens. This should not be allowed by ANY MEANS.

1 year ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

I mean that WWWlll is close at hand it could start at anytime, if you don't believe me the google "Why does Iran want to destroy Isreal"

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

I am a human being, I was given the freedom to choose who and what I do, I did not choose Obama, nor do I care for this devil in our midst!!! When I first heard of the mark of the beast as a child in Bible school, I took it as God telling that getting this chip is BAD. As an adult I understand that this is a violation of my God givin rights!

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Hidden so deep in this Health Care Bill is a way to pay for Oxy Heroin...

Well I want a Debate also..

Romney vs. Obama, but does President Obama truly want a debate, so I will share what I posted at Yahoo News.

hello to all the Yahoo blogers,

I see you all are up to the same....so let share, Obama wants a debate. Now seeing how Paul Ryan and most of the Republican Party Officials is following, and a great many Democrats, you all are most welcome / I have all way felt the need to air the blanket in public, so come along all of you Government Officials maybe you can learn something from the people at Yahoo...

Now President Obama, do you truly wish a Debate...let get started...

remember when I posted the International Boycott Of The Arabic Drug Empire at the White House Blog..? No...well I smiled when it was deleted out, but at that time I did not know about Pharmaceutical Heroin in the USA...

I did not know under the President Bush and Obama that our United States Military was Order to Patrol and protect Poppy Fields.

I did not know that Medicare was ripped off in the last 4 years because of Oxy Heroin at a total around $2 Trillion Dollars..Hey, its Heroin what did you think would happen...the street players see you all as a joke, dumb Government Drug Dealers.

Now let not forget the latest cover up that 1.2 Million People Between Canada and The USA died from your dope. 27000 Americans Died in 2007, oh...no, it was not because of Alcohol, it was because of Opioids in Alcohol Drinks, does the term OD ring a bell.

I will make this Debate Short, I must be Talking to that Empty Chair.

But in all due course of action, by 2016 we are going to do our best to vote out all who have failed the American People. And Bring in new Democrats and Republicans, so a investigation will go forward of Where Is The Money..

and last but not least, we are bring on line the First Tea Party President For the United States Of America...and oh no my friends....Not by the hand of the Republican Officials. but just by a painter who cares...but its True and Palin see's into it also..

What was that Obama, you did not think that a painter could win the support of democrats and republicans....shoot my feelings are hurt...see ya in the debate...

sin., Henry Massingale

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

Well im not a dog and i will not be track by anyone and at any cost i have the right to be free and i will be no matter what im gonna leave this country very soon anyways because its going the wrong direction for my beliefs........

1 year ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

To Appolo,

Mr. Appolo, don't you read books? Have you not done your own investigation on Mr. Obama? "We the People" have. Mr. Obama wishes to create the most destruction he possibly can before he leaves.

Have you not heard of the book, "Rules for Radicals"? The author, Mr. Saul Alinsky, is Mr. Obama's "mentor", his this satanic book is Mr. Obama's "Bible".

How about the book, "The Manchurian President"?

Mr. Appolo, you need to educate yourself.

1 year ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
1 point

I am not getting chipped. .

1 year ago | Side: There's no way in hell.
0 points

The Devil's number is 666 this is the real deal, trust and believe somewhere in that chip that number is in there

2 years ago | Side: There's no way in hell.


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