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 With N Korea, how far are you willing to back Trump? (32)

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With N Korea, how far are you willing to back Trump?

a) Rhetoric only, b) Even more sanctions, c) Skirmishes, d) Targeted assassination and/or nuclear program preemptive strike, e) Full on front line warfare, d) mutual nuclear strikes, e) world war.  And if you say d and e, how many US cities getting nuclear bomb annihalation is an acceptable price.
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4 points

OUTLOOK 1;- The crazed dictator Jong-Un will have to be dealt with sooner or later.

If we adopt the wimp's option of later, then the stakes will be significantly higher as North Korea's nuclear capabilities are advancing at a much faster pace than anyone had previously realised.

OUTLOOK2;- The person who issues threats and engages in aggressive rhetoric isn't the guy to worry about.

In a mano y mano situation it's the guy who's shiting his trucks who runs off at the mouth with 'tough guy' talk and descriptive threats in an attempt to intimidate his adversary.

It's the guy who busts a bottle over your teeth without warning who is the real danger.

The dangerous difference here is that Jong-un is an unpredictable psychotic lunatic with access to weapons of mass destruction.

If, and only if, we can be sure that we have full knowledge of all of this madman's nuclear missile locations then a pre-emptive strike should be effected immediately.

If we are not totally certain then it we must threaten China with a total trade embargo if they do not impose a complete ban of all imports from this rogue nation.

By placing China in a position of ;- 'shit or get off the pot', we will be able to judge with whom it's loyalties really lie.

3 points

The Left does not perceive "Fat Boy" as a threat because they are all believing in the Trough of Propaganda they are feeding from.

neowaltz(6) Disputed
1 point

This is not a left or right issue. This is a systems issue regarding how nation states interact with each other in a lawless world environment, in which they seek to insure survival or enhance their position of power. Being a Democrat or Republican has little to do with how one perceives North Korea as a threat or not.

In addition to viewing the world from a systems view rather then this narrow lens of the individual level of analysis one can view North Korea as a threat that is BALANCED due to the rational actor model and extended nuclear deterrence. Both of these attributes the United States believes model Kim and his regime's position regarding the actual use of a nuclear weapon in a bolt from the blue strike.

The NSA, CIA and the United States government view kim as quite rational based on the rational actor model and have this assertion in the public domain.Deterrence will work and kim is not going to attack the United States for he is rational.Despots tend to linger in world history because of the very fact that they do not want to see themselves get blown up. They do not want to see the regime destroyed.

You can see this in how Tillerson manages his language with North Korea. We do not wish to destroy you, we do not wish to do regime change, we are not your enemy. All of these are designed to underscore to Kim the importance of the rational actor model. For when you threaten the survival of the regime, you make the irrational, rational.

Gypsee(347) Clarified
1 point

Wouldn't pressuring China with a trade embargo hurt the US too ?

1 point

I could go as far as d, only because we're at the end of wait and see, and the milder steps before d have already been done. Granted d could lead to all the rest of the escalation choices but then again it may not so long as d is an effective hit where it counts.

And I'm honestly not sure where Trump's popularity goes after such a thing. For some it will be vindictation they were right to elect him and for others just proof he wasn't equipped for the world politics stage.

Finally, if N Korea succeeded in blasting Guam there would be a lot to talk about and plenty of military mobilization but in a way that doesn't really hit home. And instead, if they succeeded in hitting a blue state big city we'd see alarm but Trump support would pretty much still fall along red/blue state and party lines. BUT... if N Korea somehow hit a red state key place, even if it was simply radiation pollution over a big swath of the breadbasket, then I think even the red state supporters would reconsider their support for him. And that doesn't necessarily mean they'd stop liking Trump, only that they'd maybe question the wisdom of putting a hot head with no foreign policy or government experience in charge of it.

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
2 points

LMMFAO !!!

Hank Johnson Worries Guam Could "Capsize" After Marine Buildup (2010)

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) is raising some eyebrows with a comment he made about the U.S. territory of Guam during a House Armed Services Committee hearing. In a discussion regarding a planned military buildup on the Pacific island, Johnson expressed some concerns about the plans to Adm. Robert Willard, head of the U.S. Pacific fleet.

"My fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize," Johnson said. Willard paused and replied, "We don't anticipate that."

Guam should have been capsized by now so what are you worried about ? LMAO

Grenache(6053) Disputed
1 point

You'll use any excuse to drop in propaganda. The Johnson comment a) has zero relevance to the N Korea lobbing nuclear weapons debate, and b) was a joke anyway. http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2010/04/johnson-says-he-was-joking-about-guam-026166

How far were you willing to go when you voted for Hillary Clinton who supports No Restriction abortions and put our national security at risk? How much inhumanity are you willing to support?

Your intolerant hatred for Trump makes you blind to your own inhumanity.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR!

Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

Do you even know how to actually answer a debate topic anymore?

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

When I know the type of person who created the debate, I will ALWAYS show his total double standard and hypocrisy when being intolerant of Trump.

Trump has done nothing wrong and all we hear from these alt liberals is how dangerous he is.

HOGWASH! These witch hunts deserve no responses other than to show their intolerance for those who do not think like they think.

AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Johnny Onenote strikes again! With your passion on one subject you must have terrible nightmares. The SCOTUS has spoken. They decided long ago that the people were, by large majority, AGAINST YOU! Let it be! Take a nap.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Any person who has no passions for viable babies being killed for any reason up to birth, is a waste of space on this planet.

Your passions lie with everything BUT innoncent lives being snuffed out.

GET SOME PRIORITIES IN YOUR LIFE! Your mind is going quickly. Before it's too late, take a stand for something important in this life.

Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

So how far ARE you willing to back Trump with it? If he said he was going to just drop a nuke down on N.K would you be all for that?

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

Only fools make such mindless fear tactic statements such as Trump would simply drop a nuclear bomb on Korea. Try being better than fake news.... PLEASE!

1 point

That's a difficult question. I would support D in terms of targeted assassination but not so far as a nuclear program preemptive strike. I would support more sanctions dependent on the sanctions themselves and not just for the sake of puffing our chest and strutting. I would even be ok with some skirmishing IF there was an end game to it and not just random occurrences.

I hope....really hope....we don't have another war on our hands. I think Kim Jong-Un is just crazy enough to try something that he won't be able to finish IF he is left alone and no other country backs him up. He doesn't give a damn about his people, only his status and that makes him dangerous.

1 point

Media Flashback: Clinton’s Nuclear Deal With North Korea (1994)

“This is a good deal for the United States,” said President Clinton. “North Korea will freeze and then dismantle its nuclear program. South Korea and our other allies will be better protected. The entire world will be safer as we slow the spread of nuclear weapons.”

Here’s the breakdown of the now-dead Agreed Framework with North Korea courtesy of Nuclear Threat Initiative:

freeze and eventually dismantle its graphite-moderated reactors;

seal, cease activities at, and eventually dismantle its reprocessing facilities;

cooperate in finding a safe method to store existing spent fuel from its 5 MW experimental reactor and to dispose of such fuel in a safe manner that does not involve reprocessing in the DPRK;

allow the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to monitor the freeze of its reactors; allow the implementation of its safeguards agreement under the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) allow the IAEA to resume ad-hoc and routine inspections of facilities not subject to the freeze upon conclusion of a Supply Agreement for the light-water reactor (LWR) project;

come into full compliance with its safeguards agreement with the IAEA upon conclusion of a significant portion of the LWR project; remain a party to the NPT; and

take consistent steps to implement the North-South Joint Declaration on the Denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula; and engage in North-South dialogue.

In return for its obligations above, the DPRK was guaranteed the following:

two LWRs [light water reactor] with a total generating capacity of approximately 2,000 MW(e), financed and supplied by an international consortium, by 2003;

150,000 tons of heavy fuel oil by October 1995 for heating and electricity production foregone due to the freeze of its graphite-moderated reactors, and 500,000 tons annually thereafter until the completion of the first LWR; and

formal assurances from the United States against the threat or use of nuclear weapons.

In addition, the Agreed Framework required the United States and the DPRK to:

reduce barriers to trade and investment, including restrictions on telecommunications services and financial services and transactions; open liaison offices in each other’s capitals; and

upgrade bilateral relations to ambassadorial level as progress is made on issues of concern to each side.

Hey Leftist how well did Bill do getting North Korea's nuclear weapons eliminated ? LMAO

neowaltz(6) Disputed
1 point

US Sponsored UN Security Council Resolution 2371, Passed Aug 5th within the Security Council has the following bullet

Reaffirms the Council's support for the Six Party Talks, calls for their resumption, reiterates its support for commitments made by the Six Parties, and reiterates the importance of maintaining peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in Northeast Asia

And just what are those Six Party Talks about?

Security guarantee

The construction of light water reactors

Peaceful use of nuclear energy

Diplomatic relations

Financial restrictions

Trade normalization

Verifiable and Irreversible disarmament

Interesting enough, one of the ALT rights falsehood regarding the 1994 Agreed Framework is that it provided North Korea access to light water reactors to build nuclear weapons

While a misleading statement as the Agreed Framework was never fully supported by the GOP backed Congress and thus the reactors never built, and were intentionally designed not generate the waste material used in nuclear weapons development it shall we say "proliferated" among the ALT right as proof that bill clinton gave North Korea nuclear reactors to create nuclear weapons.

How do you explain then this apparent and clear bullet in this current Republican administrations resolution? The support of the Six Party talks and the issues agreed on to discuss?

And please make your reply clear and concise.

1 point

I may back Trumps top Secretaries and ambassadors, I don't think THEY will back Trump very far. The new American company is: TRUMP LTD.