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Debate Score:13
Arguments:10
Total Votes:16
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Without pain, we would never know joy.

True.

Side Score: 7
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False.

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3 points

I would say that this is somewhat true.

Neurology: Your brain has the ability to experience happiness on demand, and usually that's done with certain drugs (mdma and cocaine). Unfortunately, it has its limits. When you take mdma the first time (and it's a lot) you will feel a euphoria that is absolutely amazing. Everyone remembers the first time they rolled, yet, often times, they will not be able to match that feeling (exactly), so they often take more over time. Neurologically speaking, this may be because the brain will recognize the substance and not react as greatly to it as it did the first time. As well, the brain tries to fight against a substance that makes it use too much serotonin. This is why x-heads have their body heat go up when rolling. Although, if you don't take mdma for a year, you can end up rolling very hard again.

As for coke, that makes you release dopamine, which can give you feelings of some euphoria, but it's more of an energy type thing. This is why coke-heads can feel anxious and impatient even while on coke, while x-heads tend to be fine while rolling (although, thanks to dirty rolls, no one knows the complete psychological effects of pure mdma, but all signs point to awesome).

Psychology: Another reason why you don't roll as hard as the first time is because you recognize the feeling. The first time is amazing because you're used to feeling normal (or depressed, or w/e isn't euphoria). If you're born with a deficiency that makes you constantly release serotonin, I feel that you would not actually enjoy it as opposed to someone who uses as much serotonin as you ONLY when they're on drugs.

So in this sense, euphoria is stronger when you are not used to it.

Think about how amazing it is for someone who's been trapped in a hole for 5 days to finally get free? This is because their environment has greatly changed from terrible to normal. But normality is great when you have been experiencing great pain and torture.

Side: true.
2 points

Joy: the emotion of great delight or happiness caused by something exceptionally good or satisfying.

Imagine there is a new gaming system that you never heard any news about, never even new existed, and suddenly you are given it as a present. If you are into that sort of thing, you would be very excited about having something new, and it would bring happiness and entertainment to you, without you ever having felt the lack of not having that system.

Happiness is an inherent trait all humans are capable of. Babies start to laugh and smile at a very young age, naturally. There is no suffering required to feel joy or happiness.

However, it can be said that pain and suffering can cause us to appreciate joy more, but it is not a requisite.

Side: False.
1 point

I think you would still know of joy, but it wouldn't as appreciated as it is now. It would be too normal, still joy but not as good as what we have now.

Side: False.
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

"I think you would still know of joy, but it wouldn't as appreciated as it is now. "

Sorry but i have to take issue with this, the world is founded on contrast, without pain there can be no joy, there can be no light without the absence of light.

Every emotion exists because they cannot exist unless they in contrast to one another.

Side: true.
TruthAnalyst(48) Disputed
1 point

An emotion is a biochemical process. It happens independently.

Light doesn't require darkness to exist. If light exists, it exists solely because it exists. We could still have the chemical reactions for happiness without ever experiencing sadness.

Side: False.
-1 points

BULL NONSENSE... I have known joy with out pain. AND I NEVER EVER EVER ENJOY PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! Forget joy...

Side: False.
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

Yes but don't you understand that you could not know that joy without simultaneously knowing the feeling of pain that is it's opposite. There exist an inherent need for polarity in experience, do you not agree?

Side: true.