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These same hypocritical people who are SOOOOO CONCERNED about a possible death by gun, SUPPORT NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS!!!!!!!!
They have legalized and support killing a viable baby for any reason at any stage up to birth.
These are the types of people we are debating. They are the lowest form of humanity and have proven they could not care less about the value of an innocent life.
Their motive is to make Government the supreme Big Brother Socialist controllers of the people so they need to get rid of our guns.
For the sake of argument I would suggest that some of those people believe that babies aren't real people until after their birth, not that I believe that.
How nice of you to be so open minded towards people who think a baby is less human a few days before traveling down the birth canal.
I wonder, would you have been so open minded towards people who thought owning slaves was ok and that they did not deserve the same right to life as white folks? The slvy owners also thought Black people were less than human. For the sake of argument, I guess we should all just understand their pro slavery beliefs.
Please wake up from that brainwashed no fault Liberal inhumanity.
Gee, for the sake of argument, I would suggest that we should all be more understanding of murderers and the reasons why they kill people.
I was simply displaying how it is possible that one can be afraid of death themselves and also be for killing a baby. They believe that unborn babies are not people until they can survive on their own, although in nature mothers care for their young which contradicts their argument. I also never said they believe the baby is not a valid human person just days before it is born. I was not and will not even look at the point of view of such an extreme. Looking at and understanding the other sides' point of view is important, even if you think/know they are wrong. You have to understand them to be able to debate them. I don't agree but from their point of view they are not hypocrites and I was just telling you how that could possibly be so, I was not defending them or their beliefs.
I know exactly what you think you are saying. You are swallowing Big brother's no fault conditioning whereby killing babies is not killing babies in their minds. Gee, all a murderer has to do is say the person he killed is not a person, and we should try to understand his perspective on the killing?
The Left is conditioning you to be tolerant of abortion on demand. They want you to be open minded towards what others believe when it comes to taking an innocent life. To not be judgmental towards those who support killing viable babies. To understand their support for killing viable babies. They want you to be open minded to their inhumanity.
IT'S THE NEW NO FAULT IDEOLOGY OF LIBERALISM.
It's no different when slavery was legal. People made the same excuses for slave owners.
What's so hypocritical is that these same no fault Democrats have no tolerance for diverity of thought if it has to do with Conservtive views. (They hang Trump's severed head on the walls of our public Colleges).
They are not tolerant nor open minded nor inclusive of a community's freedom to display a nativity scene on public land. CENSOR IT THEY SAY..... BUT TRUMP'S SEVERED HEAD? THAT'S FREE SPEECH DON'T YOU KNOW?
They want you to believe it is no one's fault for their stance on Abortions, it's just what they believe and we should lay down and accept it. Imagine if we kept doing that for slavery.
You are excusing Democrats for supporting NO RESTRICTION ABORTIONS of viable babies for any reason up to birth. If you vote for Democrats, you are supporting it as well, no matter how much you deny supporting it.
If I'm worng about you, i apologise. Most times I have not been proven wrong on this issue.
I don't support their views, they are not my own. I am sorry if I was not clear on what I meant with my original statement. It was simply to display how in the minds of the left it is possible for them to be anti-gun (because of their fear of death) and also pro-abortion. I don't agree with this sentiment and believe it is hypocritical to believe both but many left-wingers do. I was simply presenting a left argument for someone to dispute. I was perhaps not clear enough with the intention of my OP.
Don't be an idiot. You can't go up against an Apache with a rifle. You can, however, find the pilot of that helicopter, and blow his brains out. And there are rifles that can take out an Apache. One shoots a projectile about the size of a soda can. It will take out a light tank, so I think the armor on that Apache doesn't stand a chance. We would not engage in open battles. It's called asymmetrical warfare. There is also guerilla warfare. It's very effective. The death of a thousand cuts. And if things got desperate enough, human wave attacks. You cannot subdue a population of our size if they want freedom desperately enough. If enough people are willing to die to achieve their objective, there is no stopping them. If nothing else, civil disobedience could do the trick all by itself. Just don't show up for work. Disrupt the services that are still running. There are all kinds of things that would do the trick. And don't forget. There are plenty of people out there who know how to make bombs. Bombs are very effective. And ragheads aren't the only ones who can hijack an airliner and crash it into a building. We, who love liberty, will stop at nothing to keep it, or get it back. Remember that.
Ok so you've just shot an Apache pilot from the military super power of the world with a rifle, the full weight of the american air force is now descending on your location, seeing as you used a rifle you won't be to far to find, the fighter jets take about 2 minutes to arrive on a slow day and zone in on your location, you and anything within a square block is reduced to scorched earth....Meanwhile the pilot has just been replaced lol nice resistance little buddy
LOL! Keep those downvotes coming. I want to see if I can get it below ten percent. Every time you downvote, I know I scored some points on you. I'm living rent free, in your empty skull. LOLOL!
I've got nothing against the 2nd Amendment. In fact I have a license to carry. But consider this:
1) Your statement could be true about most of the Bill of Rights. If you can't express yourself against your government you also can lose all other rights.
2) We're just about the only country in the world with anything like a 2nd Amendment, yet the majority of the world is not utterly devoid of rights. Per your argument they should already be so.
Any person with the least of intellect understands we can never trust Government. Our nation was founded on we the people and keeping Government as small as possible.
Trump is not the government. He is a single person, trying to do an impossible job. I trust him. because he is NOT the government. He's a patriot. Something we haven't had in the Oval Office for a long time. And Trump said he would leave our guns alone. That's good enough for me.
Well it is America we are talking about where the love affair with the gun continues ; what makes America such an insecure nation that its citizens go into a collective frenzy at the thoughts of a gun free society ?
How the fuck do you lose all other rights without guns ?
The Tower of Pisa, the Coliseum, Italian food, great weather, elite shopping, cheap retirement options, and fully automatic rifles. In Italy, a license is needed to get your hands on any type of gun. There are 3 licenses that allow individuals to own firearms: Hunting license; Shooting Sports license; and Concealed Carry license. The recommended license to go for is hunting, it lets you engage and carry hunting grade firearms. A concealed carry license is another thing. To obtain one, you must prove you have a definitive “threat to life.”
Depending on the type of license you get, you are allowed to carry:
Up to three common firearms (usually handguns, but all firearms not using hunting calibers fall into this category, such as 10-gauge shotguns, or some .22 rimfire pistols and rifles);
Up to six weapons that have been classified as manufactured for shooting sports by the National Proof House;
An unlimited number of hunting weapons (both rifles and shotguns);
Up to eight antique or historical weapons (manufactured before 1890);
Unlimited numbers of single shot muzzle loader replicas, for which no registration is needed;
Unlimited numbers of air guns under 7.5 Joules of muzzle energy, specifically approved by the Ministry of Interior, which require no registration as well.
Since guns like Remington 970, AR-15, AK-47 and similar rifles fall into the category of hunting weapons, .223 type of ammunition and higher are commonly used in hunting, so generally you wouldn’t have to worry about ammunition laws. Even .22s used for hunting can be owned in an unlimited number.
Says the American halfwit who's still ranting on about gun laws in other countries ; you're also an ex soldier if I remember correctly 😊 are you still hanging around shopping malls waiting on fellow Americans to squawk "thank you for your service " ?
You truly are a dumb fucker you never even read the article did you ?
Read this and weep 😢😢😢😢.......This theory is prevalent and primarily used within U.S. gun politics. Questions about its validity, and about the motives behind its inception, have been raised by scholars. Proponents in the United States have used it as part of a "security against tyranny" argument, while opponents have referred to it as a form of Reductio ad Hitlerum.[2] Various mainstream sources describe the theory as historically "dubious",[3] "questionable",[4] "preposterous,"[5] "tendentious",[6] and "problematic".[1]
Putting you firmly on the side of similar American nut jobs 👏👏
I assume you can read. You are reading this now aren't you, or is someone reading it to you?
You truly are a dumb fucker you never even read the article did you ?
It seems almost too easy to pull out your inner Cartman.
This theory is prevalent and primarily used within U.S. gun politics. Questions about its validity, and about the motives behind its inception, have been raised by scholars. Proponents in the United States have used it as part of a "security against tyranny" argument, while opponents have referred to it as a form of Reductio ad Hitlerum.[2] Various mainstream sources describe the theory as historically "dubious",[3] "questionable",[4] "preposterous,"[5] "tendentious",[6] and "problematic".[1]
So I gave you an unbiased source on purpose that shows both sides of the issue, and that it is probable that the German gun laws put the people in a position of vulnerability in terms of defending themselves in the "security against tyranny" argument mentioned in your very own copy and paste. That shouldn't be hard to grasp. As time progresses you'll understand how debate actually works... maybe. I could have been a political hack and gave you this source...
So your comprehension skills are awful. I offer you an unbiased source. You're triggered that it presented it as a theory. I offer you an obviously biased source to show you why I presented the first link, and that triggered you. I'll just have to face it in conversation with you...you're just not very bright. Don't get me wrong. It's not your fault. DNA can only carry you as far as it is capable of doing. You just got a bad hand that's hard to work with..
See Stain is still kicking your butt , you're not very good on the bible either are you
So you read my entire debate. Wow. That must have taken a while. Did you ever get up to take a crap? No? I didn't figure. Maybe mommy will come and change your underwear for you.
No , I read parts of it where Stain unmercifully took you apart as your knowledge of the bible is terrible ; on a side note I see there appears to be universal agreement on CD that you're the biggest idiot on site .... go search bet you will too 🙀🙀🙀
You read "a piece" of an extremely lengthy debate to come to this conclusion? Bwahahahahaha! The chimp is strong in this one. Let me find you a banana to ease your hunger.
More dribble and nonsense? Your comprehension toilet overunneth? Is that pee? Nope. That's something else. I never told Dermot that I was a vet. Isn't that a daisy? So...
1)Either dermot is obsessed with me and has a hard on to hump the raptor's leg. Or...
Because the only ones with guns, the government, can do any f*cking thing they want to you. Do you want to be defenseless? And think about this. Historically, what is the first thing a would-be tyrant does? They take away the guns. That's a fact. There is also the simple fact that criminals do not obey the law. No matter how many gun laws are passed, criminals will still have guns, while depriving law abiding citizens the same. Can you guess what happens then? Just look at Chicago. I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you have a functioning brain. Why don't you use it?
So you post up a debate to downvote those who disagree with you why post it up so ?
So only the government in the US have guns you are a tad confused aren't you ?
The government can do as they wish anyway as they control the military , tell me what chance would the mostly untrained populace have against the military if it came to it ?
Why do you not trust your own government .... oh sorry you're right after all it's comb over running the show and yous voted him in 🙀
Give me an example of a would be tyrant taking away guns ?
Criminals always get access to guns they have them here also and yet we are unarmed as our are police force so you gotta ask yourself why is the US so dysfunctional?
What's happening in Chicago are criminals gone on a rampage murdering the ordinary Joe or are they killing each other ?
My brain finctions fine I will give you the benefit of the doubt by guessing you're typical American trailer trash who's opinion is informed by fellow slack jawed half wits who rarely have an original thought .
The British police do have guns. They have had to use them several times. They simply require permission to have them issued. Also, how many spooks do you have in your country? If you look at FBI statistics, 90 percent of violent crime and 50 percent of all murders are committed blacks. Can we send them over there? Give you a taste of what we're dealing with. And how are your unarmed police going to deal with all those Muslim 'Immigrants' coming into your country? Good luck with that.
I'm not British , and you're incorrect the beat policeman in Britain does not carry a gun .
We have blacks here and we have no problems with them or Muslims , maybe the problem is your country and the way yous have traditionally treated blacks , payback time
And your not Italian so what are you. Now back to this. Beat policeman in Britain don't carry guns. Police officers in Britain are not specially trained firearm officers.
Maybe you're onto something here , maybe Americans could start eating people after shooting them just to be again culturally different to the islanders ......
Now your from the Republic of Ireland and your police don't carry guns.
Civilian Possession
In the year to 31 July 2008, the number of firearm certificates on issue in Ireland was 233,120.9 Each certificate qualifies its holder to possess a single, specified firearm, along with a maximum quantity and described type of ammunition.10 The number of certificates has risen slowly since 2000, when 207,000 were on issue
In Northern Ireland, all police officers carry firearms.
I didn't say they carry guns, I said they had them. They need permission to carry them, but they have them. And just how have we treated blacks? We freed them from slavery, gave them land and an education. Blacks in America have every opportunity that whites have. I think the problem is that American blacks are hateful, lazy and violent. FBI statistics back me up with 90 percent of all violent crime committed by blacks, as well as half of all murders. And what percentage of your population is black? Oh, look! It's 3 percent. WOW! How do you cope with them all?
