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 Would Marx have loved Hitlers socialist views? (22)

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Would Marx have loved Hitlers socialist views?

Marx told the working class to seize control of the Machinery of the capitalist class and take control , Jews were mainly the capitalist class in Germany Hitler followed Marx to the letter .....I think Marx would have been impressed 
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Here we have Hitler in his own words on Marxism .......

. Hermann Rauschning, , a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit". He was proud of a knowledge of Marxist texts acquired in his student days before the First World War and later in a Bavarian prison, in 1924, after the failure of the Munich putsch. The trouble with Weimar Republic politicians, he told Otto Wagener at much the same time, was that "they had never even read Marx", implying that no one who had failed to read so important an author could even begin to understand the modern world; in consequence, he went on, they imagined that the October revolution in 1917 had been "a private Russian affair", whereas in fact it had changed the whole course of human history! His differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

I believe capitalism is a “Jew” plot - I wholeheartedly do. I don’t believe Hitler was racist in genetics - he just realized that Jews dominated the capitalism scheme

excon(10306) Disputed
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I believe capitalism is a “Jew” plot

Hello S:

Of course you do..

You know, if you took TWO of your avatars and put them side by side, you'd have the Nazi SS storm trooper symbol..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzstaffel

excon

AlofRI(2362) Clarified
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So, today the billionaires dominate the capitalism scheme, AND the major part of the treasure of MANY nations. Why are they any better?? Many of THEM are Jews, many aren't, some communists (Putin), some authoritarian dictators, some "religious leaders", some crooks (maybe ALL)?

Capitalism MUST BE CONTROLLED! The "rumor" that they are what improves the world is a "convenient" phrase they spread around to make some people believe we can't get along without them, and a lot of people DO believe. WE, the people, need to be in control OF capitalism. To a "reasonable" extent!

Slavedevice(1038) Clarified
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I’m not saying all rediculously rich people are Jews or even that all Jews are rich and evil. I’m saying that Jews INVENTED the usurious / parasitic system that allows the small percentage to suck off the majority. Simple.

>>>but killing the Jews wAs the wrong tactic. A much better tactic would be to KILL their BOOK!! Kill the Bible

DragonBorn(279) Disputed Banned
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I believe capitalism is a “Jew” plot - I wholeheartedly do. I don’t believe Hitler was racist in genetics - he just realized that Jews dominated the capitalism scheme

You're making real socialists look bad. Hitler wasn't a fucking national socialist he was a far right wing fascist dickhead which is proven by his actions and how he simply co-opted left wing ideas to gain the support of the working class.

AlofRI(2362) Disputed
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Here we have a founding father in his own words on capitalism:

Adam Smith, who wrote THE book on capitalism, "The Wealth of Nations", in 1776 Wrote:

"The necessities of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent getting it."

"The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities they possess."

"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in PROPORTION to their revenue, but something MORE than that proportion."

MY kind'a guy! Sounds a BIT like what today's cons call "socialism" doesn't it??

That was capitalism THEN (When America was Great??). The man who "says" he want's to "make it great AGAIN", does just the opposite … takes from the poor and gives to the rich!

SCREW "national socialism", SCREW "Marxism", SCREW "capitalism", as they've been corrupted. We need to put together the best parts of the best systems and make our own "democratic" social/capitalistic system that takes FROM the founders of them, their well meaning ideas, and makes something FAIR!

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I understand PROGRESSION!! But some parts of the past were quiet great! Tribal Socialism 😉 (wink wink nudge nudge) can work even multiracial

Amarel(4460) Disputed
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-First, Smith was not a Founding Father.

-Second, the quote appears (only appears) to be a progressive tax, which is not socialism.

-Third, the context of the quote shows that he is talking about property rents. Smith argues for luxury tax, and not a tax on necessities. Since property is a necessity at the lower end which becomes a luxury at the higher end, property rents would fall to the wealthy in more than the proportion that it would fall to the poor.

-Fourth, Smith’s first maxim on the topic of taxation indicates a preference for a flat tax, wherein each pays “in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy”. If there is a flat tax on luxuries, the the rich would naturally pay more than their proportion. While Smith’s first maxim might seem to stand against this circumstance, Smith nonetheless finds it “not very unreasonable”, hardly a ringing endorsement.

outlaw60(13747) Disputed
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AL that was a BEAUTIFUL rant from a BRAIN DEAD IDIOT !!!!!!!!!!!!

Marx·ism

the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.

Are you COMMUNIST there AL that is the question !!!!!!!!!!

DragonBorn(279) Disputed Banned
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@Jody

As always, I can trust a right winger to cherry pick something and use it to flip reality face down ass up. But I will not let you molest the truth this time, because the greatest enemy of the Nazis was actually Marxism.

The Nazis co-opted Socialist and Marxist ideas but did not put them into practice.

"The political views of Adolf Hitler have presented historians and biographers with some difficulty. His writings and methods were often adapted to need and circumstance, although there were some steady themes, including anti-semitism, anti-communism...Hitler personally claimed he was fighting against Jewish Marxism"

"Hitler and the Nazis promoted a socially conservative view concerning many aspects of life, supported by harsh discipline and a militaristic point of view.[73] Conservative opinions about sexuality amid the Nazis led to extreme homophobia which resulted in the systematic persecution of homosexuals"

"Since democratic ideals espoused equality for all men, it represented to Hitler and his Nazi ideologues the notion of mob rule and the hatred of excellence"

"Although Hitler realized that his ascension to power required the use of the Weimar Republic’s parliamentary system (founded on democratic principles), he never intended for the continuation of democratic governance once in control. Contrarily, Hitler proclaimed that he would "destroy democracy with the weapons of democracy."[99] The rapid transition made by the Nazis once they assumed control clearly reveals that Hitler succeeded in this regard."

"In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism".[102] Marxism, Bolshevism, and communism were interchangeable terms for Hitler as evidenced by their use in Mein Kampf"

"Later in his seminal tome, Hitler advocated for "the destruction of Marxism in all its shapes and forms."[104] According to Hitler, Marxism was a Jewish strategy to subjugate Germany and the world and saw Marxism as a mental and political form of slavery."

"Because Nazism co-opted the popular success of communism among working people while simultaneously promising to destroy communism and offer an alternative to it, Hitler's anti-communist program allowed industrialists with traditional conservative views (tending toward monarchism, aristocracy, and laissez-faire capitalism) to cast their lot with, and help underwrite, the Nazi rise to power.[114][115]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoliticalviewsofAdolfHitler

Jody(207) Disputed
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The whole of national Socialism was based on Marx , why can you commies only take praise from certain people?

Hitler was full of admiration for yous accept it and lat Marx take the praise .

Your attempt at a defence is laughable a copy and pasted opinion piece from wiki, here you have it in Hitlers own words try researching next time buddy

Hitlers differences with the communists, he explained, were less ideological than tactical. German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

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Who, in their right mind would want Marxism OR national socialism?? I wouldn't, don't know any democratic socialists who would.

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Maybe you need to be insane to accept it ..........................

AlofRI(2362) Clarified
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You need to be insane to accept any of them ALONE, with their "inefficiency's". We have to move forward and improve. Kind'a stupid to not be "progressive". The word "Again" suggests going backward, why? WE want to LEARN and move forward … PROGRESS! ;-)

outlaw60(13747) Disputed
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Marx·ism

the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, later developed by their followers to form the basis for the theory and practice of communism.

DUMMY are you a COMMIE ???????????????

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Hitler wasn't a Marxist, or a socialist by the Marxist definition. The only thing "socialist" about Nazism was the party's name. Nothing in their policies was representative of socialism, which is a necessarily democratic, not tyrannic, state of rule.

Jody(207) Disputed
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Hitler wasn't a Marxist, or a socialist by the Marxist definition

What exactly is a Marxist can you give one clear cut example?

. The only thing "socialist" about Nazism was the party's name.

Really ? Yet Hitler claimed he took Marxist theory one step further and acknowledged a debt to Marxist thinking

Nothing in their policies was representative of socialism, which is a necessarily democratic, not tyrannic, state of rule.

A sizable percentage of Jews controlled the banks and industry in Germany Hitler did exactly as Marx advocated as in seizing control from the capitalist class

Again you seem to be playing the favoured Socialist game as in The no true Scotsman’s fallacy , no one or nothing is ever a socialist or socialism unless it fits the ever changing Utopian definition of the term

Give me one example of a Socialist state or person that would fit your criteria?

seanB(559) Disputed
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The dictionary definition suffices: political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Nazism was not this. Nazi production, distribution and exchange was taken into the remit of the tyrannical Nazi government and/or military, not of the German citizenry. This is tyranny, not social ownership.

As for Hitler's claims, Hitler claimed quite a lot of things, many of which happened to be false. Hitler claiming to practice political Marxism or socialism is irrelevant to what he actually practiced. I could claim I am a head of broccoli but it would not be true as I am neither green, nor a plant.

To believe Hitler practices socialism based entirely on the claims he makes, without examining the evidence to the contrary, is akin to believing that I am a head of broccoli, and ignoring the evidence that I can write and respond to you.