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Would Mitt Romney be a better president than Barrack Obama.


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Foreign Policy:

During the Bush administration our popularity around the world hit an all time low, no time in history has so much of the world rooted against us, and this was a direct result of 1. "cowboy diplomacy" which basically meant we do whatever we want and to hell with everyone else. 2. simply our President was an idiot, and while this is funny to some, most Westernized nations see this as a serious character flaw, not his character, ours for electing him.

While Romney seems much brighter than Bush Jr. there's no reason to believe he would not have continued the "cowboy diplomacy" that has crippled our world influence.

In comparison, just in the few months since Obama has been President, and Clinton Secretary of State, our popularity has risen dramatically.

This is a direct result of actually talking and listening to other nations, friends and enemies alike. This has been the foreign policy theory of every great President that we have ever had. Yet of course conservatives call it "apologizing" and get all bent out of shape. The fact is though, American stock is rising, and in the long run that means less hatred for America, which means less terrorism, and more international help with the necessary wars and other crisises in the future.

Economy:

I'm constantly amazed at humans' capacity to rewrite history, often before it is even written, to ignore the real problems, while clinging and agonizing over side-shows and talking points and terms like socialism or communism.

The indisputable facts are that, all of these economic crisises; banks, housing, cost of health care, wage discrpencies, rapant corruption on wall street, etc,

all, all of them are a direct result of a lack of oversight

Now, say what you will about what the solution to this is, whether Obama is taking the right path, etc.

Argue that until you're blue in the face and as long as you have an answer that isn't exactly what we did to get into the mess - then you're part of the conversation.

Unfortunately many Republicans, and Romney can count himself as part of it, have opted to 1. say there's nothing wrong and it will correct itself, 2. pay lip service to change, when really they only want to keep the status quo, and keep their contributors and personal business interests happy, 3. pretend the last 8 years didn't happen and preach less oversight like the crazy guy on the corner talking about the sky falling.

Well some don't like Obama's plan, but I can tell you it's better than nothing, and yeah, nothing is exactly what Romney would be doing at this point.

Environment:

That pollution is bad is an inescapable fact. If you want to believe there's no such thing as global warming, or in the easter bunny, or that the earth is flat, fine whatever. But on some basic level even crazy people can believe that it would be nice to have less pollution right?

Clean energy, even if global warming really is a myth, would at the least cut down on pollution, create jobs here in the US that cannot be exported, keep the trillions we send overseas every single year to countries like Saudi Arabia right here in the US.

There are only 2 kinds of people against clean energy, the ignorant, and people who have a bunch of stock in oil and don't give a rat's ass.

Unfortunately Romney definitely falls in one of those two groups, while Obama most certainly does not.

Social:

Obama has recently replaced one Liberal leaning justice with another Liberal leaning justice.

Romney would have nominated an anti-abortion, far right judge.

This may or may not have over time allowed religion to become an integral part of our government (even more so) which means less science and less acceptance of all people and cultures.

It also would have given anti-abortion proponents another shot at making it illegal, which history has shown over and over and over and over and over... means more young mothers dying in dirty basements because of unsanitary abortion procedures performed by people who may are may not have a medical degree, and the exact same number of abortions being performed every year

While you have Faux and Rush and Savage and whoever else screaming bloody murder at things like the firemen issue with Sotomayor or the thing with the cops arresting the black professor,

the fact is, the US does have race issues, that's why these small cases that actually no one should even hear about, constantly make national news. Old white people think they're not racist but really are, old minorities think the white man's out to get them whether they really are or not, and these two views collide and you get two otherwise intelligent and good people like the prof and the cop in crazy race driven situations.

Meanwhile the young people of all races are looking around at these situations and saying "wtf is going on?" And they can grow up just like their parents did, or not, and we'll see.

Because for 50 years probably now one has said a word about about race, and things stay pretty much the same with small problems and improvements here and there and an occassional riot to difuse all the tension until we do it all over again. Meanwhile no one says a word about it, at least no one that anyone is listening to.

Now guess what, we have a black president who I think surprised the hell out of everyone by answering as a human and taking the prof's side publically. As 99.9 percent of black men would. He was being a real person and got a lot of crap for it for a couple days.

And what happened? Was there a race war? No. Did Jesus come down and Rapture all the good Christians and let the devil take over? Was there plague and pestilence?

Nope, there was a mature conversation. The prof and cop came together in the middle somewhere, which is where it had always really been, and people grew a little and became better people.

Obama wasn't elected because of his race, or in spite of it, he was elected because he was far and away the best candidate at this time.

but I will say that having a President who isn't a white male, and who wasn't born with a silver spoon, and who was from a broken home like so many people today,

and who apparently is very ready to talk about race whenever it is brought up,

is just about the best thing for us right now.

117 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Kuklapolitan(4226) Supported
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I agree with you David, Mitt Romney just doesn't have what it takes and Obama was the best candidate we had to offer up as a Democratic President.

87 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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A ringing endorsement of the Democrats...."the best we had to offer"

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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It constantly amazes me how people think we should give a crap what the world thinks of us.

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Cerin(189) Disputed
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I know, right? It's not like we ever have to interact with the world, or that the world effects us in any way. Fk 'em!

21 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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"Old white people think they're not racist but really are, old minorities think the white man's out to get them whether they really are"

Funny I was just thinking the same thing about liberals!

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes

Do those of you who write the prezez name with two R's realize there is only one R in his name. It's Barack...Barack Obama. I mean if you're going to argue about him get the spelling right. He is our President, after all!

110 days ago | Tagged As: No
- JakeJ(2565) Disputed
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yeah......... So why would Mitt not be as good as Barack?? That's kind of what the debate is about. ((:

87 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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No. Barack Obama isn't absolutely insane. Mitt Romney is a religious nutcase. Granted, Obama is moving rather slowly about doing what he promised, at least he's moving toward it. Mitt Romney would have been horrible.

97 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Yes, simply because he is more qualified than Barrack Obama in economics.

115 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- gardnbear(3) Disputed
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Romney is a corporatist. That is pre-fascist. Just look at his haircut!!. Just look at his houses, particularly the one in the Wasatch Mountains. Rich, rich, rich, and getting richer by the day, not because he's smart, but because he's priveleged.

96 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- JakeJ(2565) Disputed
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Who cares about his haircut!!? So just because he's rich he's evil and power hungry? Wow you have watched to many movies. And it is because he is smart.

For the record, I love Mitt Romney's hair.

87 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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There sis no way the Mitt Romney would be a better president than Barrack Obama, and I wish people woudld stop making debates about this. It is getting rediculous. Obama won the election, he is our president for 4 years GET OVER IT!

58 days ago | Tagged As: No
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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Oh we will get over it in 3+ years! Those will be good times indeed!

Not only will he go down in history as the first black president , he may go down as the worst one as well and given that we have already survived Carter thats saying a lot

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Manastacious(6) Disputed
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My god. You haven't given the man a chance. How can you say after one year in the position that he will make a bad president. No one should say he will be the worst president because right now he's done a whole lot better than Bush. Who got us into the mess in the first place.

4 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Of course, Mitt Romney would be a better president.

1) He loves America and the Judeo-Christian ideals on which it was founded.

2)He has real world experience in running businesses, states, the Olympics. He understands economics at a time when our country needs a stready hand and an experienced leader at the helm.

3)He is a positive and decent role model who believes the best days of our country are still ahead. He would not be leading an apology tour throughout Europe and elsewhere dragging us down and demoralizing us.

4)He can speak without the assistance of a teleprompter.

5)He believes in free market principles, individual rights and understands that the American people should be in charge not the government.

6) He's not only perceived as competent, he IS competent.

I could go on..... http://thecompetentconservative.com/2009/07/24/health-law-costs-are-not-the-problem-in- ma/

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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1. Obama loves America as well, and I'm not sure that merely loving your country makes someone competent as a leader. In addition, America was founded on Enlightenment ideals. Most of our founding fathers weren't really Christian. (Thomas Jefferson actually went through the bible and cut out the passages he didn't like. His final edit is still sitting in Congress today.)

2. Running a nation is not like running a business, and I doubt that Romney would have passed the necessary legislation to stimulate the economy (Free market ideals would dictate that he allow the economy to self correct).

3. Seeing millions of people cheer for an American president is the last thing I'd describe as demoralizing. In addition, Obama wasn't apologizing to anyone. I guess it must be weird hearing people cheering something other than Bush sucks, after our past 8 years. I find it funny though that you think that an improved opinion of us overseas is somehow a negative.

4. Relevance?

5. Does he understand that government regulation is often necessary to control the boom and bust cycles that a purely free market economy causes? Does he want to avoid economic policies that would lead us towards another depression....oops too late, that already happened.

6. Not competent enough to run a successful political campaign.

118 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Mitt will stomp all over Obama in the debates and will be one of the greatest Presidents this country has ever known.

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Then why didn't he do that when he had the chance? He stepped down from the precipice. Perhaps the height was too much for him.

118 days ago | Tagged As: No
- JakeJ(2565) Disputed
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He stepped down so that McCain would have a better chance at winning. Not because it was "too much for him".

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Mitt Romney: "Stimulate the economy, not government"

2012

119 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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"A witty saying proves nothing" - Voltaire

118 days ago | Tagged As: No
- JakeJ(2565) Disputed
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Fine, but neither does a witty quote. ((;

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118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- jessald(1347) Disputed
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What does that even mean? Is he advocating getting rid of environmental laws? Eliminating social security?

It's a lot easier to throw around meaningless soundbites than to discuss the issues.

118 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Romney actually would have executive experience as opposed to experiance in organizing communities.

119 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Spoonerism(602) Disputed
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What makes you think that organizing communities is useless experience in terms of being president?

The ability to lead and organize people around a common movement is a great trait in a president.

117 days ago | Tagged As: No
- byl046(5) Disputed
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Because the experience necessary to run, and more importantly lead, the most complex enterprise in the history of mankind in no way compares to getting Meals on Wheels up and running in the local neighborhood.

116 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- jessald(1347) Disputed
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Pssh, by 2012 Obama will have four years of experience as President of the United States.

Romney can't beat that.

119 days ago | Tagged As: No
- byl046(5) Disputed
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So did Jimmy Carter and it didn't help him at all. In fact it was his experience as President that got him fired.

116 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Tugman(720) Disputed
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That is 3 years from now and this country cannot afford to have a rookie on the job.

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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In four years he will had 208 golf games and still not made a decent decision.

24 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Yes of course Romney would. It is now painfully obvious that Obama lacks any real world leadership or management skills. He is an ideological driven academic elitist that has not had a legitimate job in his life. His fortunes have risen by good looks, charm and the ability to speak well. All necessary skills for the best leaders but such cannot be the substitute for hard experience solving demanding, complex problems. Its like eating frosting with no cake, tasty for second of two but one grows quickly tired and sick of it.

On the contrary, Romney spent a long private career solving exactly those kind of problems. He knows success and failure. Name Obama's biggest failure. Can't? Did he not have any? That should tell you loads. Romney lost a Senate race and a Presidential campaign. And I guarantee he saw many failures and mistakes in the private investing world. You know more about a person from failures than successes.

The US government is the largest, most complex enterprise in the history of mankind. Romney has accumulated long experience diagnosing and solving such problems. What is needed now more that anything is a leader with experience and skills. Romney has it, Obama doesn't.

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- excitableboy(87) Disputed
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"ideological driven academic elitist that has not had a legitimate job in his life"

Well hello, FOX News, glad you could join us. A United States Senator (as well as State Senator) is kind of a - how you say - a legitimate, democratically-elected, will-of-the-people kind of job.

Elitist? Elitist???? Come on. If my President is an elitist, well then fine:

"Doesn’t elite mean good? Is that not something we’re looking for in a president anymore? … The job you’re applying for — if you get it, and it goes well, they might carve your head into a mountain. If you don’t actually think you are better than us, then what the f--k are you doing? … Not only do I want an elite president, I want someone who is embarrassingly superior to me. I want someone who speaks sixteen languages and sleeps two hours a night hanging upside down in a chamber they themselves designed." -- Jon Stewart

118 days ago | Tagged As: No
- wolfbite(101) Disputed
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But what did he do in the US Senate? Sure he sponsored 121, but only 115 even made it out of their committee. It's one thing to have a job, but it is another to do it well. It is no question that it was his charisma and not his accomplishments, which is really sad when you think about it.

118 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- byl046(5) Disputed
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Thank you and Jon Stewart for making my point! Please show me Obama's chamber he designed and built himself. That's the point..he's never actually done anything. Designing and building requires lots of skill and experience that comes from trying and failing and trying again. People make the constant mistake of assuming that because one looks good and speaks well they have capabilities to lead and manage. They often don't. For those of of us who have spent decades in careers where results matter and if you don't produce you get fired its very easy to spot someone who has never had to. Obama has never been accountable for results...Romney has.

Your point that a professional politician qualifies as a legitimate job is so absurd it simply cannot be commented on.

117 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- jessald(1347) Disputed
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He is an ideological driven...

You're either ignorant or a liar. Obama has been very centrist. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan or his management of the economy.

not had a legitimate job

He was a professor of constitutional law for twelve years. Is that not a legitimate job?

You know more about a person from failures than successes.

This is an illogical statement.

What is needed now more that anything is a leader with experience and skills.

Exactly, which is why when 2012 roles around, Obama will be the ideal candidate. What experience could better prepare you for the presidency than actually being President for four years?

117 days ago | Tagged As: No
- byl046(5) Disputed
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He is an ideological driven...

I will certainly give him credit for not closing Guantanamo and following the Bush policies in Iraq and Afghanistan. He is also following the Bush policies of massive deficit spending on a staggering scale. Ideologues adhere to arguments that are contradicted by reality. Obama's initiatives with cap and trade, health care and all the bail outs clearly show he is ideologically driven in his policies and choices. Realist's would never pose or support such nonsense.

not had a legitimate job...

I do not consider jobs where one is not held accountable for results to be legitimate. No better example on planet earth could be found than a university professor.

What is needed now more that anything is a leader with experience and skills...

So how bankrupt will this nation be while Obama figures how to lead? And by the way, if you're 48 years old and haven't figured it out, it ain't happening....

117 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dtrimble(49) Disputed
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Sorry, I just could not resist...

"...He is an ideological driven...

You're either ignorant or a liar. Obama has been very centrist. Look at Iraq and Afghanistan or his management of the economy."

PULLEAZE!!!!!! This in itself proves he is anything but centrist. Nationalizing industry, banks, newspapers....not exactly centrist now is it. Sounds like LEFT…WAY LEFT to me. Chavez type stuff.

"...not had a legitimate job

He was a professor of constitutional law for twelve years. Is that not a legitimate job?"

Glad you asked! No! Any working man can tell you that anyone that has made their living as a professor has NEVER worked a day in his career! Shoving your opinions down the throat of young people, who dare not argue at the risk of being given a failing grade for disagreeing, cannot be called work. “Indoctrinate U”

"....you know more about a person from failures than successes.

This is an illogical statement."

To a degree I agree....it’s actually seeing how people react to failure that exposes their character.

"....What is needed now more that anything is a leader with experience and skills.

Exactly, which is why when 2012 roles around, Obama will be the ideal candidate. What experience could better prepare you for the presidency than actually being President for four years?"

Does this mean Obama did not qualify for his first term? Of course not!

Maybe we should ask Nixon! The first four years he spent in the WH did not seem to help him! Hell, he had a few as VP as well!

There is NO job in the world that TRULY prepares a person to be the leader of the greatest and most powerful nation on the face of the planet. As our founding fathers showed through example, an upbringing that includes a deep respect and admiration of the character and values of Judeo –Christian principles is the only way to raise men capable of leading others to freedom.

Easy all you Atheists out there! I did not say religion, I said PRINCIPLES.

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- gardnbear(3) Disputed
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You said it best. Romney is a failure. Like George Bush was a failure. How did he end up in Boston, by the way? Isn't he from Michigan, where unemployment is at 17%? And can you really, really, with a straight face, say the Obama has no world leadership or management skills????? Even after 6 months, he has kept us from falling into Bush's depression hole. He has insured 11 million children!. He is by far the only choice for those citizens of the USA who care about others as much as themselves. I am so glad Obama is President.

96 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Wow it look's like I'm not the only Romney supporter on this site. This surprises me!

117 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Romney does have real world business experience, while Obama only knows politics. They are both arrogant, but Obama speaks in a very vague and comforting way that people like. So I think people like Obama more from his personality and stage presence, although Romney might be better at doing the job.

112 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Three Trillion dollars better. Or is it more than that amount? I lost count.

But seriously ppl, ya. Think about it. He actually has real business experience. And also his brain is not drug addled. Have you noticed how halting Obamas speech is? Looong pause.

106 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Any president that understands the ideas of Free Enterprise will do better than any one who does not. Free Enterprise built this country to the point where we can be very generous. NOT Scocial Justice.

87 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Hell ya! Obama hasn't done anything good for this country yet people still worship him! Why is this? I assure you with complete and total certainty it's because he is black. No matter what anyone says the truth is Obama is black and since we don't want to seem like a racist country and boo our first black president, we let him get away with all sorts of bull shit that we wouldn't allow anyone who was white to get away with. That and the fact that almost all colleges teach liberal eticit and even now they are spreading the liberal mindset in public schools too I am starting to observe! When will this madness end?!

75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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No president in the U.S ever apology for his own people and around the world like Obama attack,blame,critic,and anti America in the history,even Mrs.Clinton,sorry,where is America value? Obama is the wrong man for the wrong job,the wrong person for the wrong place,and the wrong leader for the wrong country. Wake up, America! you still have better leader,most experience leader, smarter leader,stronger leader, America loving leader,and true America leader Mitt that can lead America to prosperity and will lead the world,in his leadership,he protect America, carry America value,and represent America principle,he is the hope of America,he is the America dream,he is the man that met the need of America now, America will rally with him in 2012,and they will replace Obama by Mitt in 2013, and sent Obama back to Illinois,so he can takes some vacation to Kenya. Mitt can be a great president,and so America will lead the world as Reagan did.

117 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- Spoonerism(602) Disputed
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First, that was an insanely painful passage to read.

Second, admitting your own mistakes is an admirable quality. Do you not apologize or take responsibility for yours? That's all Obama has been doing.

He's working to make us the country we pretend to be, so that we can actually model what great things democracy can do for a country. BUT, we can't fulfill that role unless we own up to where we've failed at this and change these things first.

117 days ago | Tagged As: No
- byl046(5) Disputed
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People in general, and the world opinion, may like Obama, and I admit he is a likable guy. But his personal likability, or his apologies, have not produced any tangible results in foreign policy. I don't believe him to be all that respected by foreign leaders, and he certainly is not feared. He is not even feared in his own party. Nations act in their own self interest, not because their populations happen to like our president. Witness the lack of real cooperation in Afghanistan by our NATO allies. Yes they sent support troops to work in the offices, be police, clean the latrines and cook. But put them out front to pull triggers on the bad guys? Not a chance. And no amount of Obama charm will make them do it.

116 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- excitableboy(87) Disputed
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One sentence in.......seriously, there is no way I'm reading all that.

117 days ago | Tagged As: No
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What is painfully clear is that Romney's own party didn't choose him and he quit his own race!

110 days ago | Tagged As: No
- iamdavidh(1849) Disputed
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Someone upvoted Thomas... I'm calling shenanigans on this entire debate.

57 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Cerin(189) Supported
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It's either someone's hate bot junking up the place, or an 8 year old.

21 days ago | Tagged As: No
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This argument does not state "at what" would Mitt Romney be a president than Barrack Obama. First of all, Barrack Obama (it's Barack) does not exist so I would win the argument right there. But I will ignore this fact and move on. I choose that the "what" be the Stormin' Mormon Deuce of Clubs book club. Being that Mitt Romney is a Mormon and Obama not, Mitt would be a better president of the club. Argument resolved.

107 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- andsoccer16(1264) Supported
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Points for originality.

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107 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- nagtroll(258) Supported
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Also points for originality.

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106 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Wouldn't you be prouder saying "President Mitt Romney" rather than "President Barrack Obama"? I know thaty I would! I mean, Mitt Romney sounds so much more official! (;

75 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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The real question may be who wouldnt make a better President than Obama?

This would be a very short list indeed!

23 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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