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Would North Korea win in a war against USA

USA

Side Score: 117
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North Korea

Side Score: 62
4 points

think about all the weapons the government has that they dont want us knowing about or just turn loose abunch of us rednecks on them. i say we'd kick their ass...again

| Side: USA
4 points

The USA would easily win a debate against north Korea... It is almost or probably more than 5 times North Korea's size. Not to mention that the military in the US is almost that many times as large compared to North Korea.

They'd be lucky to get through 3 weeks.

| Side: USA
Militarykid(1) Disputed
2 points

That is what we thought when we entered the first Korean War. I can almost promise you, China would rush to the North's aid the first chance they got. But if it was just a straight up fight, us against the North, yes, we would win. No contest.

| Side: North Korea
Ricky485(4) Disputed
1 point

There are a few problems with what you said.

First, we have enough nukes to turn all of North Korea into a barren wasteland easily, so the first Korean War wouldn't be a good indicator of how we would do now. Also, our military is much stronger than it used to be, so there's that.

Second, China would be incredibly stupid to join in a war against the US as they get most of their raw materials from Australia, an ally of the US.

| Side: USA
1 point

yes they would run up and help the norths because they are allies and they would help but like you said if it was just the us and north korea than we would win

| Side: North Korea
1 point

USA could take over North korea any time if they felt like if they really wanted to.. The government is probably laughing at north korea because even if they did shoot a nuke USA would blow that nuke or those nukes in pieces not even half way in the ocean to cali.. then kill everyone in North Korea cuzz they ugly small dicked yellow people from the 10th dimension

| Side: USA
navydave(13) Disputed
1 point

Actually, North Korea has the fifth largest army in the world and the size of one's country doesn't make any difference. Look at Japan. Look what they did to China and to us during World War II. True, we won that war, but luck played a big part with that also. Also, look at North Vietnam and see how much bigger the United States is next to them. We lost that war.

It's not so much North Korea, but China we would have to worry about. We would have North Korea beat hands down. You have to examine your history and learn from what had transpired when we were at war with them during the 1950's. We had North Korea beat, but the Chinese didn't like us being that close to there borders and they threw everything they had at us and beat us back - saving North Korea.

I do believe that China is getting tired of being North Korea's benefactor though. It all depends on how China would handle the situation once we had North Korea beaten. Would they allow Korea to be unified, or would they send their troops across the border at us again? Going to war with the Chinese would be extremely dangerous and they know this as well.

The best thing would be to have the North Korean leader deposed and install a new leader in favor of Korean unification under South Korean leadership who would then strengthen the new unified country and help feed the starving people who are living in the north. We (the United States) could then agree to pull out our military once the new unified Korea was under South Korean leadership.

| Side: North Korea
justinadams(8) Clarified
1 point

Because no one supported vitenam if they did we would've won

| Side: USA
3 points

The USA would demolish North Korea within weeks if they so wanted. The US' military spending is roughly 25 times North Korea's entire GDP.

In fact, the US would beat any country. I dare someone to name a country that could likely defeat the US in war.

| Side: USA
2 points

Russia, we don't even know all the weapons they have........................

| Side: North Korea
ChuckHades(3194) Disputed
2 points

Russia is probably one of the few that could stand a chance, but America would still overpower them. Most of Russia's weapons belong in the 20th century, not the 21st. And the whole "Russian secrecy" doesn't persuade me. Especially when the US has drones that obliterate entire towns under wraps.

| Side: USA
Apollo(1594) Clarified
1 point

Is the same not true for the United States ?

| Side: USA
1 point

Russia would win without a doubt... Ya USA has more technology but Russia for sure has some of the best special ops teams/spies.. if they wanted to they could invade America and still have million more soldiers back in Russia.. Even if Russia didn't win that's either because USA nuked them or its been about 10 yrs of invasion n finally all those troops are dead... But Most likely if Russia and America ever did get in war we"d all be dead Because I'm about 85% sure that war would turn nuclear real fast. :D

| Side: North Korea
2 points

This man is correct. Russia and China would likely stand a chance, but America would still over power them. They may over power us in Education, but what is Education but the same materials being used since Einstein and other people from the way way past. Everything is the same, if anything, they would consider the same technological booms the U.S has had in the past. China and Russia both use weapons that were first published in the Vietnam war and hell, even before that. The fact is, China and Russia both don't have the correct technology to create weaponry far superior to the U.S. If it came to Nuclear war, i'd say no body wins. if it came down to a nuclear war, it would come down to who lived longer. I'd say the U.S would live at least 30 minutes or more longer then russia and china. (Because Nuclear weapons are too destructive to let anyone survive, so in other words, Russia and China would be destroyed by the U.S's nuclear power, and then 30 minutes later, the U.S would be destroyed.) then the leading military would be someone like England or Egypt or some unknown country... So either way i support the U.S. Not because i love this place and im proud to be an American... But because the facts that are in front of everyones face, such as the U.S haven't lost a war since Vietnam, and even then, we didn't lose... we left because the point to even be there was to destroy Communism, Not to be at war, and the whole war came down to a wrong Observation. So the U.S would win.

| Side: USA
Lightmasher(51) Disputed
1 point

I suggest Australia because we all know what they say about australia

| Side: North Korea
Axmeister(4303) Disputed
1 point

"I dare someone to name a country that could likely defeat the US in war."

China.

| Side: North Korea
ChuckHades(3194) Disputed
2 points

Along with Russia, probably the only country that would stand a chance. America would still likely win though. Superior technology, larger navy, larger airforce, and a larger budget to play around with.

China have nothing but men, and you'd be amazed how quickly they go down after a couple of bullets.

| Side: USA
navydave(13) Disputed
1 point

That has already happened my friend. We lost the war against the North Vietnamese because we lost support back at home and the North Vietnamese were better accumulated to the terrain and effective in guerilla warfare.

We also didn't win the Korean War because of the support they got from the Chinese - although that one came to a stalemate.

| Side: USA
navydave(13) Disputed
1 point

This has already happened my friend. We lost the war against the North Vietnamese because we lost support back at home. The North Vietnamese were more familiar with the terrain and effective at Guerilla warfare and had the support of the Chinese.

We also didn't win the Korean war. That one came to a stalemate because they also had the support of the Chinese.

We got very lucky in the war against Japan. If we had lost the battle of Midway, things could of gone very differently.

| Side: USA
Prot0type(7) Disputed
1 point

I would say china... They have army about one billion five hundred million so that is way more than america have population so also if we did even stand a chance America would have to kill about 250 people each... So Chinese would have the leg up

And if china helped North Korea in a war America would lose ... Not fast as if it was nk vs us it wouldn't take horrible long for America to win but that's about it.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

Hb russia and china and mexico going to war with US and others then we may lose

| Side: USA
Nitro72(1) Disputed
0 points

Easy...the usa cannot possibly in a 100 years hope to win a war against china...especially not on chinese soil.

| Side: North Korea
ChuckHades(3194) Disputed
1 point

I think you'll find it's the other way round.

China has nothing but men. Men are useless against bombers. All having more men means is that you're easier to kill in large numbers.

Of course, in a land war, China would probably win. The US wouldn't be so stupid as to invade China when the US has the world's most advanced airforce, and China still uses 1950s technology.

China isn't the juggernaut it's made out to be.

| Side: USA
SD25PM(1) Disputed
1 point

The United States would bomb the hell out of China to the point of non existence. You have to go on historic facts, not future predictions. The only war that was a question of who won was Vietnam. We did not lose that war, we pulled out because there was no reason to be there in the first place. It took new political influence to get that message across and bring our boys home. We lost 58,000 men in Vietnam. The Vietnamese or NVA lost 2.3 million. The civilian loss was around 1.3 million. This was back in 1960's and early 70's. This is 2013 and the weapons and bombs we would drop on China or North Korea would blow them into the next year. China has 4.5 million souls in their military. The United States has 2.5 million, so its a 2:1 ratio. Remember, we will not be fighting this war on the ground like we did in Vietnam. We will be utilizing our Air force, Navy, Marines and Army airmen to find selective targets and destroy. China is a very large mass of land. Those 4.5 million soldiers are spread all around China, leaving huge gaps in their defense. We will not go to war with China because we owe them so much money. Money they will never see if we go to war with them. If they aided North Korea then it would be a show stopper for their industrial and commercial imports and exports which has made that country so powerful. Korean People's Army has over 9 million soldiers who can be activated into military service. That is a lot but remember that South Korea or The Republic of Korea Armed Forces has a little over 4.5 million so again the ratio is still around 2:1. We also have allies who would aid in the invasion and campaign against North Korea and or China. Our weapons are just to powerful and high tech to beat. Is what it is..........

| Side: USA
3 points

USA has better technology and the scientists are creating th stark industry and the iron man suit.

| Side: USA
dimepu(2) Disputed
1 point

Maybe, that's too much TV... and one little thing, where does the most of those USA scientist come from?

| Side: North Korea
2 points

Im sorry north korea but like the U.S.A is the bomb and if u get close to us we will drop a bomb on ur asses

| Side: USA
keivnsom(2) Disputed
1 point

Im sure you have a valid arguement, based on your choice of wwords.

| Side: North Korea
2 points

Money and power is our options there's are being crazy

| Side: USA
2 points

Well, I'd definitely have to say that the U.S. would win in a heart beat. Why? Here are just a few reasons:

1. Military: You can't base military strength of just the number of men or advancements. There are so many factors that go into military strength that most people don't even think about. Sites that DO take this into account actually rank the US as the most powerful military in the world with Russia in second by quite a bit. North Korea has a vast number of troops, sure, but they're funding is so low that they'd be lucky to have half of their armor fueled after the first week. North Korea is BROKE guys. We may have a deficit, but we are no where near as impoverished as they are. Not to mention the fact that they can barely get a long range missile 100 miles off shore. So military strength goes to the U.S.

2. Allies: As far as allies goes, the U.S. has South Korea, the more than likely defending team. Not only do they out rank North Korea militarily as well, but like the U.S. they are far more advanced and have way more money. In fact, the amount of money they pour into their military annually is about 100 times that of North Korea. That alone wins wars. However, the counter argument is that North Korea has China and Russia. This, however, is quite an overstatement. China is actually backing the U.S. in pushing sanctions against North Korea. This is actually bringing us closer while ruining the North's relationship with them. And Russia is in pretty poor shape now as well. Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that governments do what is best for them. For example, why would China back a country that is piss poor over their biggest net importer? That alone would just eff everything up for the entire world. Same thing goes for Russia.

Global Backing: Keep in mind also that the UN is the US's baby. We started them and they tend to remain fairly loyal to the U.S.'s goals. So, if the US were to go to war with North Korea, who is being sanctioned heavily by the UN, the US would also gain the UN as an ally. This includes China, a major power figure in the UN. So that's two major allies for the US to North Korea's zero.

Technology: I gotta throw this in here as well since it pretty much runs the world now. In modern era, technology is what sets countries apart from developed and non developed. NK's technological advancements are terribly low. In fact, they still can't even fit nuclear warheads onto rockets yet, putting them at about the US's 1950's technologically speaking. And they would be facing off against the most advanced military in the world. So you tell me, can vast numbers of machine guns with limited ammunition (they won't be able to afford munitions after a while) hope to beat B-2's, probes, accurate missiles, and the world's largest air force? Yeah... Probably not.

So all in all, U.S. wins in every theater of war if things went south with North Korea. Sheer numbers don't win wars. It's public backing, funding, technology, etc. So, would the U.S. win? Yes, absolutely. There more than likely will be no war, but of the North decides to push it's luck, there will be a short one.

| Side: USA
2 points

Okay, in MW3, we go to war with Russia, they realize that we kicked their asses, and we came to peace..... I think North Korea would shit their pants!

| Side: USA

China would not protect NK, they have a history of staying out of wars. Even if NK succesfully nuked the US, the US would remove them from the map with OUR nukes.

| Side: USA
2 points

Speaking from a neutral point of view there are two people in wars those who start them and those who profit by them. A lot of wars start for one main reason...Greed and how it works in the modern world is the nation wants something that another nation has, they finds a reason to be enemies with them under a different guise, invades, wins, puts a puppet government in place who they can work with and takes the resources for themselves. When it comes to North and South Korea although the North is a totalitarian state but it sees the southern neighbour for its resources and industrial might and its potential $1.622 trillion GDP as a boost to its ailing economy, but it's southern neighbours have powerful friends called the USA and Japan to name but a few if a nuclear bomb from the south fell then the escalation of firepower would have to take place I feel with USA's vastly superior military hardware and a helping hand from other nations Kim Jong Un war will be short lived and very messy.

| Side: USA
2 points

The United States would have a fairly good chance of beating North Korea when it came to war,it would probably be another remake of the first Korean War.Remember people,we WON that war,the only problem was......

When we pushed the North Koreans back to the Chinese border,the Chinese over powered us and pushed us back.And with the previous amount of casualties,we could not make a come back.One may argue,well it may turn into another Vietnam war,a guerilla style war that actually,kicked our ass.But,that didn't happen in the First korean war,why would it happen now?

The only question is,do we have the logistics to get there?And do they have the logistics to get over here?They do not have the logistics to get over here,but we could get over there through South Korea,albeit we have enough aircraft to get alot of troops over there.

We also have better technology then the North Koreans,but that's not stopping the Taliban right now,runnin around in sandals with their Ak-47's(good gun to),they're putting up some resistance.Weapons right now won't do squat,they can help,but are unlikley to change the tide of battle.Do not forget,we have to abide by NATO and UN protocals,but the North Koreans don't,so they can use hollow points,silencers(not suppressors) and IED's.It would be a difficult war for both sides.

Also,the North Koreans have excellent knowledge of their terrain and it yes,would turn into a guerilla war,but it would be difficult for them too.Technology would help a little bit in this sense,but it wouldn't have much of a difference.Even if they were to hide in underground bunkers,we have Javelin man pads that could potentialy kill the inhabitants inside.

The Javelin can use a top attack mode and has a explosive war head to destroy and pierce through armor,and then explode inside it.Same with ground targets.Also,the abrahms resistance to RPG's would help a little bit in ambushes.

The NKoreans would likely hide in tree tops and ambush the troops below,snipers would be a likley occurance on the battlefield and could pose problems,but we have systems that can tell us precisley where he is,even with a sound suppressor.But it could be complicated to use in a jungle enviornment or mountanous enviornment.In an urban enviornment it could still be hard to effectivley use this system.

What we would probably do is use b-2 stealth bombers with fa-22 raptor escorts to destroy their Anti Air defenses if they have any.Their secondary objective would be to destroy the koreans industry,and then Ah-64 apache helicopters could fly in with little hindrance to destroy enemy ground installations like bunkers,tanks,ect.

Then from the South,we could fire tomahawk cruise missiles or just drop jdams on the DMZ,to destroy any possible minefields so our tanks could go through,and then the infantry in the rear.From there we would move into the south of North Korea,and set up command installations.From there,they would sweep and clear any targets the Americans chose.From then on,the North Koreans would go into guerilla mode,and it could take 10-30 months to flush all of the guerillas out from their hiding spots,and could cost anywhere from 10-30 thousand us casualties.Then if that works...

We would begin the occupying part.This part is where the Army would take over and the Marines would leave.From there it would probably be like vietnam and afghanistan,suprise attacks on bases,and suicide bombings.In all if we stayed in their 8 years like iraq,then we could look at more then 70+ thousand casualties on the us side,with about 500+ thousand North Korean soldiers dead.

Do not worry about the Chineese,they have to many buisness assets with the United States,and would probably stay neutral throught the conflict.As for russia,north korea dosent even like russia,so russia would most likely help us or stay neutral.The US would have a tough victory,and so would the North.

| Side: USA
1 point

China is probabaly the only country that can beat the US but the US has the second most number of troops.

| Side: USA
Orcris(60) Disputed
1 point

China couldn't beat the US at the moment. It has a much larger population and more troops, but the US has better technology and more equipment. See the chart here. In a conventional war (no nukes) between the US and China, whoever attacked would probably lose.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

In my opinion, USA could take down any country if wanted. Russia and China are really the only countries that could actually stand a chance if caught in conflict with USA.

| Side: USA
1 point

Pound for Pound, you dont get much tougher than the UNITED KINGDOM (Given their size) and with such a strong alliance to the US it would be nigh on impossible to defeat USA in a war

| Side: USA
Ricky485(4) Disputed
1 point

Well, they really aren't much when compared to the US. Not only are we bigger, but we have much better technology.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

a war with with north Korea would be bad due to the fact that china is their Allie so they would be forced to join the war and making china products boycotted. Soon nukes would be used killing off everyone. Overtime USA would win but many lives would be taken on both sides. North Korea threats would be gone and relationship with china would slowly return but this all that is not worth everything we would have gone through. I say North Korea just need to stop getting pissed just because we are better than them. Now if It was North Korea alone vs. USA than we would destroy them using south Korea/North Korea as the battleground. We just need to send a few AC-130's and F-22 Raptors over and they will crap their pants.

| Side: USA
Ricky485(4) Disputed
1 point

To be clear, China only backs North Korea if they are provoked into war, since North Korea is doing this all on their own, they lose Chinas help.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

The U.S has 2,915,362 and counting armed service members including reserves. 120,022,084 are fit for military service.------------------ KPA has 9,306,000 military personnel, almost all reserves. 10,066,704 are able to be drafted.----------- After drafts on both sides, we would easily outnumber them. KPA has a $5-10 billion budget. That is about 25% of there GDP so they can't raise that much. ------------The U.S has a $549.3 billion budget which is about 5% and can and most likely would be raised during such a war.----------NK only has 12-27 nuclear equivalent weapons with a max range insufficient to hitting the U.S alongside accuracy and success rates with a purported max yield of 6 to 40 kt-------The U.S has a purported 5,113 Nuclear capable weapons (indefinitely more) with a max range 13,000 km by land or 12,000 km by sub(another missing capability of KPA). U.S has a claimed max yield of 1.2 Mt, incomprehensibly more than that of NK.--------------Nk has no alliances but does have strong relations with China and Russia.---------------U.S has NATO(27) and the U.N has to count in some(many not "able" to go up against NK).-----------Over all, with better fundings, technology, resources, allies, and a larger fighting force along side many other factors like attempts to overtake the U.S position by{China, Russia} other countries, the U.S would ultimately destroy the KPA after a long fight. It would drag out, North Korea would probably resort to nuclear attempts, we would close ports down and isolate them and we would indefinitely be in a WWIII scenario and would end with another COLD WAR situation. Life would be filled with chaos and it would take years(probably 30-50) years to comeback to a stable-like outcome. Life would be chaos, filled with security searches, dogs, and imprisonments.

| Side: USA
Hyperbob101(6) Clarified
1 point

This is just a moderate outcome of what could and probably would happen. Few things less and many things more severe could happen.

| Side: USA
chrisb(7) Disputed
1 point

You are right on the number of military personnel, but not on the US nukes. The largest nuclear weapons ever built by the US was the B41 (Mk41), with a max yield of 25mt. It weighed 10650lbs and was 12 feet long. These have not been produced since the 1960's. The highest yield missile warhead ever deployed by the United States was the W53 warhead with a 9mt yield. The last high yield bomb produced by the US was the B53-Y2. After it's retirement in 1965 the highest yield US weapon is the variable yield B83, with a maximum yield of 1.2 mt.

The largest nuclear weapon ever developed by any nuclear power was the Soviet RDS-220, also called the Tsar Bomb. In a test explosion using lead as a damper instead of uranium, it had a yield of 58mt, in the full version (without lead) 150mt. All standard and current Russian weapons including NGB, SLBMs and ICBMs have yields of between 5 and 50mt.

Particularly the SS-18 (Satan R-36M2) is current and nasty. The single warhead variant has the 15F175 warhead providing a 20mt yield. The MIRV'd version provides 10 15F173 warheads each with a 550kt yield. Then you have the R-36M2 version which can carry 20-36 550kt warheads. The single-warhead R-36M2 is the highest yield nuclear weapon currently deployed by any nation. Add all this to the fact that most of Russian nukes are very mobile hardened targets. Not easy to keep track of while the fireworks are going off.

The standard warhead on all Chinese weapons is currently 5mt with a range of 13000km. The Chinese rockets are mostly based in a wide ranging collection of hardened tunnels.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

You are right. I honestly don't know how I got that number in there. It may have been a typo or just may not have been my day. Thank you for clarifying. I wouldn't worry about the Chinese going nuclear. Although there numbers seem superior when it comes to such facts, they have an awkward standing. Going nuclear would cause to much instability to their economic rising. As a conspiracist of many theories, I truly do believe that the U.S has a much higher capability than what they say, as well as many other large countries such as china and indefinitely Russia. These larger countries don't feel the need to brag quite as much as smaller countries such as N.K (think of it more economically rather than population).

| Side: USA
1 point

Off course, there's no doubt that USA would win a direct war against North Korea, in the short term. But what would happen next, remember Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, all of they governments were overcome by the USA military, and how are them now?. I mean, in all those country there are Muslim governments which are not so happy with USA presence, and in the long term that kind of USA interference will cause more and more negative feeling in that societies. Remember one thing, a strong military is not enough to maintain power (Remember Romans, Egyptians, Persians, Mongols...etc...) there is a need also of a strong society which support them, and if you see USA society, Christian Extremist, killing each other in schools and malls. I think it's just a matter of time for history to write down another falling empire...

| Side: USA
Rescue3(3) Clarified
1 point

Your argument is valid save for fact towards the end you use a select group of people to pick on. The fact is the evil nature of many in America is a problem period! Excessive drug use, alcoholism, sexual abuse and sexual misconduct, sue happy people and general self glutens in most any area that our freedoms allow us to feed is the issue. I still think it to be the best Country in the World. However our arrogance is what is killing us. It was the same with the Romans. There arrogance, over burden use of power and public misconduct took them down! I guess we learned nothing!

| Side: USA
1 point

China would abandon North Korea as soon as a war started. What's more important to them? Propping up a buffer state between themselves and South Korea, or trade with the EU, US, and Japan (the world's 1st, 2nd, and 4th largest economies) and avoiding a war with the US and its allies?

North Korea has a large army, but it is starving and lacks the advanced equipment of countries like Russia, the US, and France. What I'm worried about is how much damage North Korea would cause before it is defeated. It has 12-27 nuclear weapons, and could cause plenty of damage to China, South Korea, Japan, Russia, Eastern Europe, or the West Coast. It couldn't destroy Russia, China, or the US (it could destroy South Korea; It might be able to destroy Japan), but it could cause a lot of damage. Millions of people could be killed. The US would be successful in the end, but some country would suffer a lot of damage in the process.

| Side: USA
2 points

I agree completely.

However, I would hope that nations like China, Japan, Russia, and most European nations would have the technologies developed that would aid in preventing nuclear attacks by rendering any nuclear weapons pointless throughout technological redirection, preventative missiles, or any other cool technologies that first world superpowers have obtained. :3

| Side: USA
Orcris(60) Clarified
1 point

The US has the Missile Defense Agency. The MDA also protects US allies. Russia has the A135, which defends Moscow. They probably have something else for the rest of Russia, too. I think that China is developing a system to stop American, European, or Indian missiles.

| Side: USA
chrisb(7) Disputed
1 point

Due to the long standing protection pact between China and NK, I don't think so. However if the Chinese really wanted to hit the US it would dump it's $1trillion+ $ cash reserves onto the open exchange market all at once. I think you will find that once the US cannot afford oil or the purchase foreign raw materials they would from one day to the other, NOT be the #1 trade partner with anyone. With the US gone as #1, Japan and the EU would quickly realign in order to preserve their economies.

The EU can be handled by Russia turning off all natural gas and oil pipelines going Russia to Europe. We saw last winter what effect that had while all of Europe was screaming for fuel from Russia.

| Side: North Korea
Orcris(60) Disputed
1 point

According to leaked documents (link) (link), China views North Korea as a spoiled child. For China, this is a lesser evil situation, and a US ally on their border is better than an unstable nuclear state.

| Side: USA
Jwalters0814(3) Disputed
1 point

Negative, we have no exactly number on the total amount of nukes they have, all we know is they have nuclear weapons, nothing more, nothing less.

| Side: North Korea
Orcris(60) Disputed
1 point

According to Wikipedia, North Korea has 12-27 nuclear weapons. That's what the experts estimate.

Supporting Evidence: Wikipedia page in North Korea and WMD's (en.wikipedia.org)
| Side: USA
1 point

First, North Korea is only making threats because Kim Jong Un is pissed about the U.S. conducting military drills over the Koreans peninsula, the U.S. also conducted nuclear drills that somehow reminds Kim Jong Un on how the Korean war came to an end in the 50's. However, Kim Jong Un may be serious about destroying U.S. bases in South Korea which is also invading South of Korea. Now if a war does break out with the usage of Nuclear weapons the United States will wipe out North Korea and leave them to dust. The United States has many Nukes and submarine Nukes, we're set. Also, the U.S. has much more soldiers than the North Korean's. I am safe to say it because in a yahoo report it mentioned that Kim Jong Un has his 1 million soldiers set for battle. Second, the United States is highly developed in technology, we scared the crap out of North Korea when we flew in stealth BOMBERS! Kim Jong Un had to start another threat! How foolish of him.

| Side: USA
1 point

you mean kim jong pig. he looks so much better as a pig but, they say pigs are smart for animals , what happened to kim. he is an insult to the human race and even pigs

| Side: USA
1 point

Those 2 B-2 bombers we flew by them? They can each carry 16 nukes. Right now we have 20 of them(I think). That's 320 nukes if we arm and fly all of them over N. Korea. U.S. intelligence says their missiles can only reach Alaska so most of us are probably safe. 320 nukes on planes that can't be detected vs. missiles that can't even reach the mainland. I think we may win

| Side: USA
2 points

yea you are right, i think kim jon pig needs to go back to school to learn his math. Or maybe dennis rodman or michael jordan shoulld give him a lesson in math. this pig should be roasted and an apple stuck up his ass. I agree with you . if he keeps it up he may get way more than he can handle.

| Side: USA
1 point

We all know Americas military technology is far greater than any countries technology, even to this day. so north koreas ambition is to 'try' and take out

Americas cities when not only they have have faulty missiles, but they can't even reach 5 miles distance, plus feed their people to even give them strength to fight. Even if the missile were to reach the USA boarder, America has the technology to detect the missile and take it out. But if America were to retaliate, North Korea wouldn't stand a chance to take it out. Really and truly, America needs no training drills because they can fight with no marines or heavy artillery because they can use one launch of a missile to wipe out their land....end of.

| Side: USA
1 point

USA would win, but I don’t think that they will use their nukes on North Korea. The reason behind this is that they care about human life and the cost of a nuclear attack on the civilian population of North Korea would be devastating not to mention the chance of fallout on China and South Korea, their allies. Now the last thing you want to do is to bring China into the scrap as their military capabilities are getting larger but still alot smaller than USA . Russia and China are working together at the mo with Russia helping China upgrade their technology, if they get into this war then it will not just be America that will be fighting it will be us down here in the Pacific and our allies from the UK . China won’t want this war as their economy is going well and have good trading partners in the Pacific. If this turned to war then it won’t be over as quick as everyone thinks, the reason is it’s not the Second World War when there was indiscriminate bombing of cities, it will be like the last few wars they have been involved in which dragged on, the last thing they want is to look like is they are the bad ones by killing the innocent, there are alot of people out there ready to condemn their actions as we have seen before.

| Side: USA
1 point

Not even Russia, China and rest of the world will win the war. If final battle of Armageddon breaks only Israel will and that's for sure. Its not because of tiny Israel but its about the land of God.

| Side: USA
1 point

and thank God that Israel is an alli of the usa. I dont know if the end is now or not so we will have to wait and see, but I am an American citizen. I was born jewish and i believe in Jesus.and i was born in Eqypt and my family was thrown out in 1957, after living there for generations.anyway what worries me is that the usa does not seem to be mentioned in prophecy and I love my country as i also love Israel. I thak God that i went from having no contry to now having two, and that is a miracle. I did not do anything to deserve this it just happened. So what the future holds is in Gods hands and we just have to still pray for the peace of Israel.

| Side: USA

the USA should act first and just blow up north korea one nume would be all it takes then people would know not to screw with us and we would`t have to worry about another 9/11 attack

| Side: USA
pacific(5) Disputed
2 points

Glad you don't have your finger on the button , you seem just as unstable as North Korea's crazy leader. This is why we have people higer up sorting things out and finding a way around what is happening. If we left it up to people like you then your country would become the bad guy and everyone would be saying blow your ar*s up, and never think they can't ! as this would be a big mistake.

| Side: North Korea
AR3YU0WHIPPE(71) Disputed
2 points

im only saying this because of instead of waiting for them to act first and do something that could start a massive war just get rid of them and most people would be happy.. no im not for killing everyone but i am for making sure more people don`t die would happen if we acted first

| Side: USA
1 point

Russia china and norh korea and iran all together would not defeat the usa in a war. You people know not what you talk about. America can unleash an attack that would put these countries out of comission. If china or russia is stupid enough to do something like that it will be the last time for at least 50 years thatthey will be able to try again. Once tha full might of the usa is unleashed it will be too late to stop and victory will be swift and sudden. You are asking for unleashing a hell storm like the world has never seen. It could wipe out 25 tp 40 percent of the worlds population in a few hours and days. If russia or china are trying to stop an american ground invasion that is something different. but an all out attack on the usa would be the swift end for china russia and any other country if need be.Also you are forgetting about the united kingdom. france germany japan and canada and israel. you think they are just going to sit back and watch the usa go down and not help??? I do not think that russia or china would get involved in a conflict with north korea, in fact they prob would like that big mouthed pig to be shut up as soon as possible, it is not helping them at all. the us government will just spend more on military might and this is a great excuse to do so. Thanks north korea you just pissed off a president who hates war and the american public do not like to be threatened with nukes. so i think you fked with the bull to long now you may get the horns.

| Side: USA
1 point

When we think about armed conflict with N. Korea, often times there military might is mocked or looked at humorously by Americans. This is an arrogant and uninformed position to take and I feel like everyone should know and take into consideration the following facts. Make no mistake; the USA is much more advanced technologically. The USA spends an obscene amount of money each year on researching and improving its military systems, and employs some of the most advanced weapon and communications systems on the planet. The US Naval and Air Forces along with the weapon systems they employ gives the USA a definite edge in any conflict with N. Korea. According to an article on dirjournal.com “the U.S has the largest number of active [nuclear] warheads in the world. The U.S. also has the largest number of aircraft and helicopters by far with just over 21,000 and barely skirts ahead of China in the number of tanks and armored vehicles.” Although, the USA would be at a significant disadvantage in the number of boots it could put on the ground and would be seriously outnumbered in personnel both active and reserve.

Now, let’s take a look at some stats and information about N. Korea that the media seems to be marginalizing. Overall, N. Korea is the 5th most powerful army on earth…. That statement alone is significant, trailing behind only India, Russia, China, and the USA. This is not the Taliban we are dealing with here folks, this is a full-fledged state funded military that now has chemical and nuclear weapons capability. N. Korea can field an estimated 6-8 million personnel (the largest standing army on earth), 3500 battle tanks, 2500 armored vehicles, and 900-1000 ground and attack aircraft. N. Korea employ’s the world’s 3rd largest chemical weapon stockpile, medium and long range missile capabilities, and an estimated 5-8 nuclear weapons. All of this is coupled with sixty years of isolation, perpetual war preparations, and fortifying their assets; nearly all of N. Korea’s key facilities including air bases are located underground and would be very difficult to strike from the air or sea. Fighting a war with N. Korea would not be a pretty picture, and would likely be one of the biggest military challenges the USA would face in modern times should conflict erupt.

I feel overall the USA would win a conflict with N. Korea, but not without serious cost and loses. If China decides to enter the fray, than we would be talking about the foundation for a third world war and an entirely different discussion. This is an extremely volatile situation on the Korean Peninsula, and should not be looked at lightly by US citizens; complacency and arrogance will not win you this fight.

Supporting Evidence: Top Ten Armies in the World (www.dirjournal.com)
| Side: USA
1 point

Hell no. They say they would turn the south into a sea of fire? if we hit them with nukes, North Korea wouldnt exist. So let them talk shit. We could desroy that whole country in about an hour. if obama wasnt such a pussy, he would lay the law down. Like JFK did, and like Ronald Reagan did. When i was growing up, presidents had balls. If this was 1940 and this guy threatend Germany, Hitler would have taken him out, quick. Head chopped off or piano wire. SS.

| Side: USA
chrisb(7) Disputed
1 point

Hey, I will agree with JFK, the greatest Preisdent you guys have had in a very long time, but... Regan?? He was pure and simply a pshycotic looney going into dementia. I an surprised anyone in the US was crazy enough to let his finger anywhere near the buttons on the telphone much less the nuclear one.

It's dark and a large person comes walking in your direction, hair disheveled, both eyes looking in differnet directions. His tongue hangs out of his mounth and he is steadily drooling. He asks you if you want to see his pet fish, opening his hand he show you the skeleton of what appears to "have been" a fish. What do you do? Hold a conversation about his pet or turn and run screaming Run Away, Run Away. Exactly my point.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

People keep talking about how Iraq and Afgan. etc. were never won. We DID NOT and ARE NOT trying to defeat those countries! We were only trying to oust specific groups within those countries PERIOD. Trying to methodically remove a group or groups is a TON harder than defeating the entire country as a whole. So your logic is mistaken. If we truly wanted to just defeat a country we could use some very definite tactics to wipeout just about any communist country on the map and most others in a TRUE all out war. Though the stupidity of such a war would cost humanity tons!

| Side: USA
1 point

No we have more allies even North Korea's most trusted ally [China] is on our side, but there are a lot of countries who would side with North Korea like Iran to take us out.

North Korea is just a country who talks the talk, but does not do anything at least Kim Jong Ill did that but his son seems less crazy in some ways [besides what is going on right now], but I'm not to scared but we don't know what they can do.

| Side: USA
1 point

china's not going to go against the us because we buy 80 percent of their products also we owe them to much money. I recently seen a documentary that showed when you take all things into consideration money, technology , air, land and sea, allies and experience we are about a hundred times stronger than Russia and china combined besides no one cares about north korea or Iran.

| Side: USA
1 point

In a conventional war NK would probably inflict a lot of damage on SK, initially. The rest would play out like Desert Storm. The USA would quickly control the skies. Why? Because one USA carrier has almost as many fighter jets as there are in NK whole Air Force. The USA has the most advanced jets and munitions attached to those jets. American fighter pilots are also better trained. Once the USA controls the sky they could bomb NK at will. NK biggest Achilles heel is that they don't have any oil and couldn't conduct a sustained war. The other problem NK would have in a sustained war is their military equipment is soviet Cold War stuff and doubt they could get replacement parts as needed. If NK went nuclear the USA would retaliate with the same and considering one US nuclear sub has 10 times the number as NK it would be the end pretty quickly for chubby Kim.

China and Russia would never come to the aid of NK. Why? Russia and China have no economic interest in NK. The N Koreans leech off of china and that's about it. China has far more interest in keeping a good relationship with the USA then any benefit siding with NK would have.

It kind of saddens me that people from other countries are so anti American. Must be nice to be the backseat driver. Criticize all u want, but there hasn't a major war in over sixty years and we've done a pretty good job limiting nuclear proliferation. Chubby Kim is a good example of why u don't want nuclear proliferation, NK uses it to blackmail and threaten the world.

| Side: USA
chrisb(7) Disputed
1 point

I agree that Russia might not join in but disagree that China would not join in. Financially NK does not provide advantage for China but strategically they do. Do you really think that China wants the US on it's doorstep? It is not better for the Chinese to have a "buffer zone" between it and the Americans by way of NK? What would you think if Mexico turned Communist and let the Chinese plant nuclear weapons and a million troops along the US border with Mexico? China could always retrieve it's US investments, one way or the other. You see how Germany is still to this day paying reparations to the allies and jews.

Yes, there might be Trade problems with the US but you do not realise that Chine provides the US with billions worth of raw materials that America needs for it's hungry industry and war machine. China is a huge untapped resource for raw materials. Cutting these of from the "West" would have wide ranging effects. The Chinese have the capacity to over-produce and coupled with the Yuam/$ exchange rate, could use this to badly hurt US industry. We are seeing this at the moment with the heavy Chinese over-production of steel. While the Chinese are exporting at cut-rate prices, Lange data showed that while global steel prices fell about 1.9%, Chinese steel prices fell by a margin of around 4%.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

I think that America would win, because America has Russia, UK, France, Canada, and India (also a few others). North Korea only has China as an allies and I believe we all see how that's turning out. I have a foreign kid at my school an he is from Vietnam, he said that they hate North Korea. But they like China so Vietnam is a maybe for North Korea. But I can see why they might fight with China. So by the looks of it america has 4 of the top5 super powers on their side America, Russia, India, and the U.K. They got the first, second, forth, and fifth. North Korea has only the 3rd strongest china. Yes if we do go to war it will most Likely be a nuclear war but North Koreans missiles won't reach us, maybe China's but Russia and India border china so they have to worry about them. The odds are in our favor. America will win.

| Side: USA
pacific(5) Disputed
1 point

Where did you get that Russa will help the US, as at the mo they are helping China with their military technology.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

If you have been paying attention to the news of the past few years you would know that the Russians are preparing for a future war. They have taken little premature steps in isolating themselves. This is what communist countries tend to do. Recently the Russians put a stop to American adoptions of russian children. I believe with the Russian help that North Korea would be successful in winning against the United States. Both Russia and North Korea has some of the worlds best special forces. I do also believe the Chinese would get involved for the reason the the North Korean leader has very good connections with China being so close of a country. North Korea is small when compared on a map, but the number of soldiers outweighs the United States. As we only have hundreds of thousands and few special forces unlike that of our counterpart , North Korea. They have millions upon millions. Overall the men and women of the United States are willing to protect those who need protection, and feed those who need feed. I am ready for War when called upon.

| Side: USA
1 point

to star a war guns and bullets count for nothing...

War is all about organization..

One thing that is very important before and during a war, is called war economics...

if a country is taking part in a war the most important thing is to secure its raw material...

| Side: USA
1 point

The US would totally win in a war with North Korea. Several reasons are that the US have one of the most elite special forces in the world. For exp.- Navy SEALs, Green Berets, Delta Force, Army Rangers, SFOD-D, and SOAR Nightstalkers. China wouldn't want to join in a war with the US by supporting the North Koreans because they will lose trillions of dollars owed to them by the US and the US will never give it back if China went to war with them. North Korea would totally get wiped off the map by the nuclear weapons that we possess and will totally make it into a barren land like the Nevada desert. North Korea would also lose because the Russians wouldn't help them because the North Koreans are big mouths which the US will eventually shove a dick in there sometime in the future. Russia is right now helping China with military technology and wouldn't even give a shit for the North Koreans. The US would just send in some F-22 Raptors or some stealth bombers like last time but instead of dropping munitions, they will be dropping nukes on them instead. Then the Koreans would running for their lives. North Korea would be annihiliated by the US and their allies. The United Nations would back up the US because North Korea threatened to nuke the mainland US and the headquarter of the United Nations are in New York which the North Koreans are more likely to target but their nikes can barely leave 5 mile off their own coast which is such a shame. Then we have way better weapons than the Koreans as they have Cold War guns while we have 21st century top of the class weapons capable of taking of taking a head from a mile with a .50 caliber sniper. Also, we would totally bomb the mess out of North Korea as one of the US's aircraft carriers can carry the whole entire North Korean Air Force and we have way better pilots than them. Everything that we have is either better than them or we have more than them or the quality is so much better that they would be drooling and wishing that they had the same exact shit as we had to go and bust their asses.

| Side: USA
1 point

I'm doing an essay on this. And it seems to me that the U.S would win.

| Side: USA
1 point

even if north korea gets support from china or whatever u.s gets europe... so usa has better chance...

| Side: USA
1 point

even if north korea gets support from china or whatever u.s gets europe... so usa has better chance...

| Side: USA
1 point

If North Korea were doing more than posturing and torturing their people,like they are doing now, and gave us an opportunity to find away to sneak in there, we would first go through China to get them to stop. At this point North Korea is laughable and pathetic but if they were going to invade South Korea,China would stop them,after we asked for their help.To win a nuclear war, at this point is not winnable but one day, it could be winnable.Technology is advancing by leaps and bounds, and money has been no object,especially with breaking encryptions.If we could prevent our adversaries from being able to fire their nukes,even temporarily, we could win.The timing would have to be perfect.

| Side: USA
1 point

technicaly they would not cause they are friends with china and those two forces together are way stronger than the united states plus they have two things 1.A nuclear shock wave that could destroy are power grid and we would have no power in the united states and 2.They have nuclear bombs hidden in the in the south side of the us that were found in big huge trash bins let me add one more 3. they have teariest going around and destroying power plants and nuclear power plants they destroyed 17 transmitters so far and they were caught shooting at a nuclear power plant and open fired on the police all the police can tell us is that they are still out there endangering the citizens of the united states

| Side: USA
1 point

if you think North korea has any chance against the USA you are so wrong its not even amusing

Day 1-3 US bombs heavy using planes that fly high near the tip of the atmosphere north korea has no answer for this they can't even get a rocket to go a mile up without it blowing up.The North Korean infrastructure is annihilated wiping out it's electrical grid,anti air and air force plunging the country into darkness and making it defenseless against air attacks.

Day 3-7 Drone attacks taking out key military targets like large groups of soldiers,artillery , tanks demoralizing most to the point where they will just surrender.

Day 7- 3 weeks The hard core supporters are who at this point have pop guns are annihilated by a blitz of M1 abrams tanks and ground forces for which the no have no answer for.Hard core supporters are all that will be left no starving north korean will fight to the death for a regime letting them starve.

Result millions dead in north korea USA losses at most 1000 and that's being conservative on the high end i would say more like 100-200.China will not intervene the us owes them too much money and has too much buying power in the end China will look at it like customers which one are you ok with losing the rich guy or the poor guy.

I would hope the us would go in and just kill Kim Jong Un. I would love to see that little shit on slab with half of his head missing from a 50 cal round.He tortures and kills his own people making them live in a repressive inhuman hell and needs to go.

| Side: USA
1 point

The question is pointless. Of course the United States would win the war. China would not even be a factor in such a war. The United States owes countless billions to China, not to mention we are by far their largest trading partner. They need us more than we need them. All America has to do is say "Screw you China, we are paying you back one cent" and China would be forced to sit this one out, lest bankrupt their entire nation.

Even in a non nuclear conflict, America would prevail and the North Korean army would be eliminated, most of them with not even seeing the face of their killers due to the advanced technological ware fare devices of the U.S. military and vast resources of the United States.

Even if the war did turn nuclear, you have to look at when and where. The Korean Peninsula is small. It's about the size of the U.S. state of Florida, so if the North bombed Seoul, for example, where is the fallout going to go? Because of the geography of the area, this would affect several nations, depending on prevailing winds and weather, most likely China, Japan, Russia including North Korea itself. Do you honestly think China and Russia will tolerate radiation over their real estate? You're a fool if you do.

Another thing to consider is that North Korea doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of getting an ICBM (which they don't even have one at this point) to the U.S. mainland. America has had more than 50 years to prepare for and counteract a large scale missile attack against their mainland during the cold war. Why do you think the former USSR and USA stock piled several thousand ICBMs when only a fraction of them were needed to destroy the entire globe? It's because we knew that the majority of the missiles wouldn't make it through due to each country's counter measures. America has a vast network of early detection and anti missile defenses spread throughout and around the country.

It takes years to produce these ICBM's and even if North Korea were able to launch a dozen or more, the chances of even one getting through are pretty slim.

North Korea's leader is a madman. That's why he should be taken seriously, because madmen are unpredictable and just crazy enough to think they CAN win a war of this nature. The reality would be the probable extinction of the Korean people as a whole which would be a war where nobody wins but the Korean governments, their race and way of life would be eradicated.

So there's your answer. America and the rest of the world would go on, but Korea would cease to exist in a nuclear conflict.

In a conventional war, North Korea would be sitting ducks in a full scale allied attack and invasion. Their military bases, installations, and infrastructure would be taken out within a few weeks. Once that is gone, surrender would be without question.

| Side: USA
2 points

Here we go now. We would destroy North Korea and if Russian and China want to play Russian roulette, then we all die" Let the civilized countries, the strong maintain the order on the planet because it is only we the U.S., Russia, and China, that has the power to end civilization. Russia doesn't care about North Korea, China does not care, in fact North Korea does not care about north Korea - what are they trying to prove anyway? Wold dominance in the next 200 - 2000 years? They are too stupid to feed themselves so natural selection moves forward. And you wonder why they are so short? Malnutrition EVEN for the elite. Let's rid the planet of these half animal half God knows what and move on it's what they are begging for is it not? In fact kill half of them and let the other half eat them. Then kill them all on a full stomach. That would be humane.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

North Korea has started to lose its support from China after there was another hostage crisis of chineses citizens by north koreans.

| Side: USA
FuckaLuckaDi(4) Disputed
1 point

France is Nuclear Stronger then China. hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahahahha

| Side: USA
FuckaLuckaDi(4) Disputed
1 point

Nuclear power is the primary source of electric power in France. In 2004, 425.8 TWh out of the country's total production of 540.6 TWh of electricity was from nuclear power (78.8%), the highest percentage in the world.[1]

| Side: USA
emevie5b(1) Clarified
1 point

the usa is very powerful , we surely would win n korea would not have a chance, were the most powerful nation in the world, if they want to fight each other ,let them im sure there they wont bother the usa, they dont dare to fool around with the usa,

| Side: USA
2 points

Everyone is forgetting something here! Let's look at a few solid facts.

#1) No country will release any weapons info to the public of any other nation or country, other then thing's that the country might not care about another knowing. Why? Why not is more so the question! If we revealed all of our releasing technology for everyone to see, then there would be absolutely no reason for us to destroy and downed aircraft, sub, etc, if it is not on U.S. soil. Why do we do this? Lets face it, to prevent another force from reverse engineering the technology. Fact is we have no idea what they truly have, and we never will until it came down to a war.

#2) N.Korea has the words 4th largest military now. Only 3 other countries have a larger force. Can you guess who they are? Also, as if that were not enough, the war in Afghanistan lasted more then 11 years and recently came to a point where we can draw a majority of our troops from the country, and lets face the facts yet again, they are relatively a very small military group, and are not the best fighters by far, and yet how many of our troops over 11 years have they manage to kill? Oh I forgot to mention that they are still standing tall and strong today and could easily keep the war going much longer. Let's not forget they are easier to bomb and spot due to things like open terrain, desert and small mountainous regions which make IR spotting easy, and we STILL had trouble. It was not the push over war everyone keeps thinking it war. Compare them to N.Korea and my god, imagine the next war.

#3) N.Korea is not the only conflict we are involved in. Though the military won't say much about what all we have our hands into, you can bet your butt that we are in several other places. Also, China is not tired of N.Korea, and only a couple years have passed since they last stated that a war between the U.S. and N.Korea would be a move to involve china, it was posted in the news, the papers, the Internet, how can so many people have forgotten this was stated? Do we really only thrive on the "now" news and forget everything that has been building up to this?

#4) Allies and enemies! We have the Japan, Vietnam (recently acquired ally / Philippines region in general) S.Korea, and Canada. We have NATO peace treaties with other countries, but lets face it, they are neutral and will do nothing that would put their country in the middle of a fight taking sides to protect its people. So no we don't have Australia, and the few others that are in that pact. We don't have the British aka England, we don't have Russia, Germany, China, N.Korea, Iran, etc. This type of war is on high alert, and for many good reasons, the U.S. would not be worried if it was such a simple feat to just go in bomb them and win in 3 weeks, and our fear isn't solely on the nuclear threat, but the fact that they promise war. Read, do some research, watch a lot of news feeds, too many people read MSN or Yahoo and think they can make a debate without following so many of the past key things going on, being said, being done.

#4) Resources! While yes we can cut food trades off with N.Korea, you can bet your butt that China will fill that void, and if China alone were to join, we would lose 90% of our imports / export business, the dollar will fall, we will go into the worst depression period in history, unemployment and gas will sky rocket to all new highs leaving vehicles useless for many, our food supply will thin due to a lack of revolving currency, stocks will plummet causing a national crises, and we will lose the ability to support even our own allies with food and rations, and there are so many more things that can, and will happen if this turns into that kind of war.

#5) Draft! We may have a 1.4 million member military, but lets break this up to actual usable troops in the battle field, lets face it, troop wise, we aren't much bigger then N.Korea, and have you seen their combat troops for just one base? No? Go Google it and tell me what you find, try to find some solid concrete numbers. Also whoever said we know where every base is at, you couldn't be further from the truth, no spy planes have been "inside" the country, and any info from the south's civilians (because we know for damn certain military personnel will never enter North as that would have caused a war a long time ago, that border if followed very strictly) and I can guarantee you, they haven't seen but maybe a very few.

#6) Underestimating! We are all doing something we should have learned our lesson in a long time ago, never underestimate a country by the look / size of a country. Some smaller countries have many more people packed together then you would imagine, and the North Korean people would gladly fight for their country. This combine with guerrilla warfare that the communist country still uses if it ever got into a ground fight would bring us into a very deadly standstill and the outcome would be unpredictable. Follow that up with every country that hates us and would gladly lend their support to N.Korea and you are talking about a Holocaust all over again.

Ill stop here though I could keep going on, but seriously, start putting facts together and actually use your brains, this won't be as easy as people thought.

Food for thought. - If we are so confident that the war with N.Korea would be so easy and quick, then why would we have Fema camps to house the entire American population in the even a disaster / war like this ever broke out? Exactly! Safety precautions are being put into place to protect it's people if need be under a meri wartime marshal law. The threat is very real, and the outcome is far from known.

| Side: North Korea
justinadams(8) Disputed
1 point

Dumbass america is the most proweful country in the world north has mostly out of date wepons and we aren't trying to win in the middle east were fleid testing new things to see how they are in combat if we wanted 2 we could end the wars in the middle east and save millons of lives but that would be a profit lost and ad for buniess

| Side: USA
2 points

Are you kidding me? Why you think USA RUSSIA AND CHINA are the only ones with nuclear power. France has more nukes then China. China has 240 France has 300. And USA would crush korea unless an EMP attack on the usa happens goodby electricity for 313 million americans.

| Side: North Korea

North Korea has a very good army and would do well, so long the US. did not do other things to the DPRK before the war

| Side: North Korea
garry77777(1794) Disputed
2 points

There is no country that could defeat the USA in open war (assuming all others remained neutral), this includes China or Russia, although together they'd have a chance. North Korea however would be squashed quite quickly, try to remember your history, many accounts claimed that Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world prior to the first gulf war, it didn't take the US long to defeat them, did it?

It is also worth mentioning that the power of Iraq's army was soley the result of US support (much like Isreal or Egypts current military dictatorship) in the form of training, weapons, military hardware, etc., to their friend and regional ally Saddam Hussein who remained a friend for decades even when he gased 300,000 Kurds, but you see that information only became important when he became a US enemy, therefore everyone in the Western world was then made aware of it in order to manufacture consent.

| Side: USA
1 point

Wait a minute, weren't there a lot of countries against Iraq?????

| Side: North Korea
chrisb(7) Disputed
1 point

I'll dispute that.

According to the last START Treaty declarations: As of 1 March 2012 as drawn from the data exchange by the Parties, the United States had 812 Deployed ICBMs, Deployed SLBMs, and Deployed Heavy Bombers.

1737 Warheads on Deployed ICBMs, on Deployed SLBMs, and Nuclear Warheads Counted for Deployed Heavy Bombers; and 1040 Deployed and Non-deployed Launchers of ICBMs, Deployed and Non-deployed Launchers of SLBMs, and Deployed and Non-deployed Heavy Bombers.

Russian Federation had 494 Deployed ICBMs, Deployed SLBMs, and Deployed Heavy Bombers; 1492 Warheads on Deployed ICBMs, on Deployed SLBMs, and Nuclear Warheads Counted for Deployed Heavy Bombers.

881 Deployed and Non-deployed Launchers of ICBMs, Deployed and Non-deployed Launchers of SLBMs, and Deployed and Non-deployed Heavy Bombers.

The largest nuclear weapons ever built by the US was the B41 (Mk41), with a max yield of 25mt. It weighed 10650lbs and was 12 feet long. These have not been produced since the 1960's. The highest yield missile warhead ever deployed by the US was the W53 warhead with a 9mt yield. The last high yield bomb produced by the US was the B53-Y2. After it's retirement in 1965 the highest yield US weapon is the variable yield B83, with a maximum yield of 1.2 mt.

The largest nuclear weapon ever developed by any nuclear power was the Soviet RDS-220, also called the Tsar Bomb. In a test explosion using lead as a damper instead of uranium, it had a yield of 58mt, in the full version (without lead) 150mt. All standard and current Russian weapons including NGB, SLBMs and ICBMs have yields of between 5 and 50mt.

The SS-18 (Satan R-36M2) as a single warhead variant has the 15F175 warhead providing a 20mt yield. The MIRV'd version provides 20-36 550kt warheads. The single-warhead R-36M2 is the highest yield nuclear weapon currently deployed by any nation. Add all this to the fact that most of Russian nukes are very mobile targets. Not easy to keep track of while the fireworks are going off.

The standard warhead on all Chinese ICBMs is currently 5mt with a range of 13000km. The Chinese rockets are mostly based in a wide ranging collection of hardened tunnels.

So it seems in sheer mega-tonnage Russia has the upper hand. As for delivery systems, you about on a par in number but have less survivability. Silos are sitting ducks compared to hardened mobile heavy launchers.

| Side: North Korea
Nox0(1395) Disputed
1 point

NK is technologically about 1950 .

| Side: USA
1 point

Correct, all the stuff left over by the Russians from the last big party in Korea. You cannot discount the possibility that China may have slipped then something or the other over the last 50 years. Especially at time when the attention of the world was in other places.

| Side: USA
1 point

North Korea however would be squashed quite quickly, try to remember your history, many accounts claimed that Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world prior to the first gulf war, it didn't the US long to defeat them, did it?

| Side: North Korea
garry77777(1794) Disputed
3 points

Hey, here's a radical idea, why not try creating your own arguments.

| Side: USA
navydave(13) Clarified
1 point

While this is very true, they also didn't have Chinese troops backing them up either.

| Side: USA
1 point

I really depends whether Norht Korea can gather good enough allies, such as China or Russia. If not then they are probably screwed.

But you never know, USA couldn't even get through Vietnam.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

Does anyone remember the last war that we fought, beginning to end, and were declared the victor of? It was World War 2 people. Name a war since that we have taken on and it has actually had a "winner", and that winner was the USA? Not Korea, Not Vietnam, Not Irag, and definitely not Afghanistan. What makes you all so sure? Just because we are bigger and better than they are? I would be careful throwing that mentality around. China could crush us just in economics alone. We do not fight as well as we used to....we may have brute force, but we are not very smart to beat the little countries who come at us in ways we are not prepared to take on, nor do we know how to fight back. The enemy of today is not driving around in big tanker trucks, nor in bunkers waiting to be disarmed. They are the enemy that cnnot be scene, leaving car bombs, and exploiting our weaknesses.

| Side: North Korea
Ricky485(4) Disputed
1 point

That's just not true though. We are much stronger than we used to be! We not only have incredible amounts of nukes, but we also have much better technology(planes, guns, boats, all of those are what I mean by technology..)! To even think about starting a war with us is insane!

| Side: USA
1 point

Well said caw123. but a little bit wrong on that last war you fought beginning to end....it was definitely not from the beginning but surely the end.

| Side: North Korea
TheLash(2) Disputed
1 point

Actually the last war the USA fought from beginning to end and won was the war of Independence.

Both the First and Second World Wars were de facto won by the time the USA became involved.

The USA could defeat any other nation in warfare. The problem is, wars for the USA are not about national survival, they are about projecting influence and power as the conflict never takes place on US soil.

| Side: USA
Rescue3(3) Disputed
1 point

If you are going to pull the ally card into it then remember one thing! The U.S. has more allies than N.K. would ever get. On top of it many of our already have very well strategically placed war machines that are VERY well trained!

| Side: USA
justinadams(8) Disputed
1 point

Dumbass we pulled out cuase no one wanted to be there we lost 60000 people there how many did they lose check it

| Side: USA
1 point

Why cant North Korea have nuke while USA can have 1000 nuke.

Why can a police carry a gun and u cant.

Why a bigger men want to hit a smaller man.

Why a stronger country want to destroy a smaller country.

The reason USA win war because they have allies like England, France etc

A group of 5 and 6 strong men hit a Muslim girl Iraq not fair fight but who said war

is fair.

The human race need to reduce and leave place for other species. So war its good North

Korea its poor and its people will starving to dead anyway so they have nothing to loose

on the other hand if USA loose so all of theirs brothers will fall Europe , Australian etc

| Side: North Korea
MentalNeko(4) Disputed
2 points

North Korea isn't allowed to have Nukes because their government isn't well enough developed to control that power.

The US is considered to be the superpower this day in age, and when a country that isn't involved in any sort of international relations threatens to destroy a nation such as the US which has many allies and helps to lead the UN through struggles, you're going to have a problem. It's not just the US that doesn't want North Korea to have Nukes, it's all of the world; it's Britain, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, the reason that it looks as though only nations related to America hold a grudge against North Korea, it's because the US has strong international relations, and North Korea has done really well in the past few days with crippling their own relations and pissing off powerful Nations.

| Side: USA
1 point

MY CUNTRRRRRYYYYYY ;)

| Side: North Korea
1 point

I kind of have to back North Korea up as well , because we all know at the end of the day North Korea has barely any powerful missiles or artillery, but the back up of their mutual alliance. Any threats or action made on North Korea will result in either china or Russia helping them. So even if America were to use their technology on them, it's the amount of men their going to have on the battlefield, and with Russia having one of the biggest armies in world them alone to take on America with North Korea helping and china aiding. Plus having all their technology at once may be a big concern for America because their nukes will definitely brake through Americas boarders. So they need to think twice on what they are going to do.

| Side: North Korea
MentalNeko(4) Clarified
2 points

I really doubt that Russia would step into this war.

What's in it for them? Russia is powerful, and intelligent, they surely understand that a conflict with the US isn't simply a conflict that will be taking place half-way around the world. The US is everywhere, and her allies are everywhere, and a powerful nation such has Russia or China is sure to know that. If North Korea does start something with the US, China won't step in to save a country that isn't worth the expended resources. North Korea has been doing a lot to destroy relations with China in the past few years, and the risk is too great frankly, and, ultimately, South Korea has a very powerful army, and is sure to help the US, and the same goes for Japan.

You say that North Korea could form alliances with China and Russia, but they haven't, and they are unlikely to do so. China and the US are strong allies as well, and China has shown signs recently of backing away from North Korea as allies. Furthermore, one or two powerful allies doesn't add up to the multitude of strategically placed miltary bases, and allies that the US has; the UK, France, (Every major nation in Europe, more or less), South Korea, Japan.

| Side: USA
2 points

It is unlikely that any nation would support North Korea. China has moved on from it's Maoist past and Russia is a fledgling democracy

China would not commit it's troops to be killed defending a crazed paranoid regime from a long gone era.

Russia doesn't have the military strength to fight any kind of war at the moment.

The big question is how quickly the USA and ROK could help the North Koreans liberated from these evil dictators and deal with any die-hard Kim supporters

| Side: North Korea
1 point

I believe NK might have the unknown capabilities to launch attacks on the mainland U.S. The reason I think this is: during WWII, how did Germany develop the bombs? Bombs were unheard of. They were also using these aircraft carriers that no one has seen. Why? Becuase the world was narrowminded and underestimated the UNKNOWN. Never underestimate what a country can do, otherwise you will lose.

| Side: North Korea
MentalNeko(4) Disputed
1 point

That's not true, bombs and aircraft carriers both came out in World War I, just saying.

Also, thinking that North Korea "might" have this, or "might" have that will only lead to paranoia. So, while you don't want to underestimate an enemy, nor do you want to overestimate an enemy.

Think about things from this perspective; the US developed nuclear capabilities 60 some years ago, and, as such, the United States government has a much stronger knowledge of said weapons, while North Korea has only just begun to develop these weapons. So, while these smaller nations have been working on obtaining these technologies, and disputing among themselves, nations like the US have been working on defensive technologies, and different uses for the aforementioned weapons alike. - So, whether North Korea has these technologies or not doesn't matter, they are only going to be proved to be utterly useless in any war that may come forth from this conflict.

| Side: USA
1 point

How can US win. I think that US cannot win N. Korea. Just tell the true story when compare to the Afghanistan War, do you think that US win or Lost. I believed that US lost because now the situation in Afghanistan the same as before 911.

Therefore, come pare to N. Korea they stronger than Afganistant 100 time. S, How US Can win. No, not at all.

| Side: North Korea
chunkgerbil(1) Disputed
1 point

there was no war with Afghanistan and there still isn't. us arm forces are only there to ensure safety for the people in Afghanistan not a war. so if a war was to have broken out a long time ago usa would have already won

| Side: USA
1 point

South Korea Would Obliterate North Korea with their Super Duper Secret Weapon... Psi an Gangnam Style Dance

Its like a killer dance... Mesmerizing., Polararizing and Totally Sick.At best Mr Kim would probably wet his big khaki pants

laughing and forget to press the Nuke Button !!!

| Side: North Korea
thoughtful(1) Disputed
1 point

People like you are why people like them hate America. Americans open their mouths and ignorance embellished with arrogance flows forth.

| Side: USA
1 point

People are saying that USA couldn't beat Afghan or Iraq. Lol, US didn´t even thought about nuking them. Now North korea...

| Side: North Korea
1 point

All North Korea has to do is bomb Japan and South Korea. The United States' economy will crumple. The United States would then probably attack North Korea if they do this which will make the Korean peninsula a wasteland. The only country that has production powers of Japan, and the entire Korean peninsula is China which will make China an economic superpower and the United States will lose.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

While China has been playing the good Samaritan in relations with the United States in dealing with NK and has supported certain measures, China will never be in support of Western aggressive actions in the Pacific so close to home. The kind of US (NATO) presence a war with North Korea would bring would be entirely unacceptable to the Chinese.

China cannot afford to let the US invade NK because it is a Chinese recognised buffer zone between them and the large US contingent in SK. This is one possible reason why the Chinese are amassing soldiers with heavy weaponry direct on the NK border.

The US have exercised war-gaming plans in the event of a NK downfall that includes invading to secure the reactors and any nukes. A US General has indicated that it will require at least 200k US troops on the ground to do this. If the NK Government does fall you have masses of Chinese soldiers rushing in to take over. This is a fight the Americans cannot afford because of their limited supply lines but the Chinese can afford because China borders with NK with short supply lines and half a billion possible soldiers to conscript.

Let's just look at a possible scenario:

NK strikes Seoul. There is a limited military exchange between NK and SK. During the exchange the Americans step in and do a "Bagdad" firing a barrage of cruise missiles destroying the NK capital and surrounding areas They then broaden the pattern to reach possible nclear bunkers and heavy artillery.

The NK Government wobbles and the Chinese, not wanting to let the Americans take over NK detroying their buffer zone, march in with guns blazing.

The Americans mistake the Chinese Army influx as a massive NK heavy troop movement and douse it with a barrage of cruise missile and artillery from naval vessels.

China rataliates from it's mainland with a barrage of heavy artillery that would amount to a wall of metal againt the US Navy vessels that fired the missiles. US Aircaft carrier so damaged that it is not possiblr to use as a take-off-landing strip.

The US rataliates against the Chinese mainland batteries and missile complexes. The US lannches it's heavy bombers in order to be ready for any eventuality. The US prepares it's nuclear forces. Some European countries deny access to their airspace making heavy bomber flights even longer.

Escalation provokes Chiness patience. The Chinese dump their $1trilion reserve in $US notes all at once onto the open exchange market causing the $ to implode. Petrol prices go so high that you can no longer afford it, supply lines transport in the US begin to dwindle/stop. Air transport is gone out of the reach of all but the richest. The US initiates martial law and locks it's broders tight.

The Chinese seeing an advantage launch several tactical low-yield nukes against the US Navy while putting their own bombers into the air. Several US bombers move over Chinese territory to threaten Chinese military buildup on the borders and target the launch sites.

The US launches it's own tactical nukes and hit NK and China in retaliation.

China launches ICBMs to hit major US civilian population centres. Newy York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and others - all gone, along with 20-30 million lives.

The US retailiates and hits Guangzhou, Shanghai, Beijing with a loss of 50-80 million lives. China still has a population of 1.5 billion which are all being mobilised.

Due to imminent nuclear threats from the UK and Frence Governments, China retaliates against US allies targetting military bases and capital cities. France, UK, Italy, Spain, Japan are all hit very hard and lay in tatters.

The nuclear exchange last 2-3 hours followed by single launches over the next 7-10 days.

One month from initiation the total death toll on all sides, 600 million to 1.5 billion. This does not take into account decades/years of nuclear winter, radiological effects and those of the breakdown of civilised society.

God forbid that one of the US ICBMs drops off into Russia by accident, they might see this as a US first strike.

In the end their is a risk that chemical and biological weapons come into play, the death toll could then rise to over 2 billion over the coming months.

Having all this happen or just letting some looney rant, I know which I would prefer. Even letting NK attack SK and not retaliating would in no way produce the absolute carnage caused by a nuclear, biological and chemical war should they spiral out of control.

Some facts:

The largest nuclear weapons ever built by the US was the B41 (Mk41), with a max yield of 25mt. It weighed 10650lbs and was 12 feet long. These have not been produced since the 1960's. The highest yield missile warhead ever deployed by the US was the W53 warhead with a 9mt yield. The last high yield bomb produced by the US was the B53-Y2. After it's retirement in 1965 the highest yield US weapon is the variable yield B83, with a maximum yield of 1.2 mt.

The largest nuclear weapon ever developed by any nuclear power was the Soviet RDS-220, also called the Tsar Bomb. In a test explosion using lead as a damper instead of uranium, it had a yield of 58mt, in the full version (without lead) 150mt. All standard and current Russian weapons including NGB, SLBMs and ICBMs have yields of between 5 and 50mt.

Particularly the SS-18 (Satan R-36M2) is current and nasty. The single warhead variant has the 15F175 warhead providing a 20mt yield. The MIRV'd version provides 20-36 550kt warheads. The single-warhead R-36M2 is the highest yield nuclear weapon currently deployed by any nation. Add all this to the fact that most of Russian nukes are very mobile targets. Not easy to keep track of while the fireworks are going off.

The standard warhead on all Chinese ICBMs is currently 5mt with a range of 13000km. The Chinese rockets are mostly based in a wide ranging collection of hardened tunnels.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

North Korea alone, probably not. But I think the Chinese are willing to team up if it was against America, though china is getting pretty fed up with Korea. If china had to pick a side, it would be with North Korea, because they would stand more of a chance that way against America.

| Side: North Korea
navydave(13) Disputed
1 point

I think China is definitely getting tired of being North Korea's benefactor. If war were to happen between North Korea and the United States/South Korea, it would be because North Korea initiated the attack. In this case, the United States and South Korea would definitely beat North Korea without a doubt.

The question would remain "would China send their troops across the border to attack the United States? This would be EXTREMELY dangerous and the Chinese know this as well. I don't think China would want to risk going to war with the United States if North Korea initiated the attack. There would be more to be gained if Korea were united. China would no longer have to support North Korea, and a united Korea (reunited under South Korean leadership) would not only help it's citizens in the north with the food they so desperately need, but would thrive as a new nation and a new trading partner with China that would help them economically. We could also agree to have the United States military pull out of the new reunited Korea once the entire country comes under South Korea rule - meaning everybody would be happy.

| Side: USA
pacific(5) Clarified
1 point

As you said only if the US left the area. The last thing China would want is American troops on its border. This is why China would move in to the North, not at the start but at some stage they would. The US would not leave if the North and South became united as why would they, it would be under the rule of the south goverment which is friends with the US. It would benifit the US if they could have access to China's Border from an ally country.

| Side: USA
1 point

Why does the USA have the right to dictate..We were told Hitler was bad because he dictated to us.. Zionist USA might be a piece full nation,instead GREED RULES!! The North Koreans will fight,as the Germans did for Germany,This is no Iraq cake walk..Total War. And once again for the bankers of Israel. I think that is why the USA is backing off all the sudden. They realize it will be a world war, not a little wipe off the map....... And not Iraq.

| Side: North Korea
pacific(5) Disputed
1 point

Two points, first Hitler was a complete nutter . I'm not American but we were at war with the Nazis, in no way can you compare them with what Hitler done or what he was like. That man wanted total Nazi domination and was willing to do anything and kill anyone to get it as you should have been taught !

Second point, Germans had to fight for Germany because they allowed a nut case into power as they have in North Korea, you bring these thing on yourself. North Korea does not want to dominate the world but needs to be watched and be under the thumb, as you, of all people should know what happends when a nutter is allowed to run wild when incharge of a country. US cares about human life and the innocent, alot of these countrys don't even care for their own let alone persons from other countrys. Learn from history

| Side: USA
1 point

There is so many factors that either side would win.

Like how America have better trained troops

And a little more money to spend for the war

But America really haven't been showing the skills they should be and could be and I see this all over these arguments that America have never lost and who could beat America?

If you have any knowledge of American war history we have lost numerous wars so America isn't the best war fighting country even though thy could be

Also something else people take for granted is that America is bigger so they would magically win but look at Japan they're small but have a considerable good country so size doesn't matter and know one knows how North Korea trains there army and they've been waiting to attack America even past the fifties and North Korea could over power them because as everyone knows size doesn't matter

There are way more things I could say but this should be enough to make you think twice about your argument.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

So far america has so many enemies afghanistan,iran,cuba,syria,98% or the asian continent and as we speak 80% of the items used in the USA are manufactured in china.If the USA was to go to war with N korea this would give an opportunity for all its other enemies to rise up.

| Side: North Korea
1 point

Are you kidding me? Why you think USA RUSSIA AND CHINA are the only ones with nuclear power. France has more nukes then China. China has 240 France has 300. And USA would crush korea unless an EMP attack on the usa happens goodby electricity for 313 million americans.

| Side: North Korea


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