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Debate Score:20
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Would we be more advanced without christianity?

I hear christians and atheists perpetually going back and forth about this, so let's settle it once and for all. Christians...Atheists...do your worst.

Yes

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BURN IN HELL

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From Capernicus to Darwin christians have sought to tear down almost anyone with a brain. Even avid believers like Isaac Newton held beliefs the church would deem as thought crimes, such as his denial of the trinity. Both christians and muslims have destroyed countless scrolls, texts, artifacts, and lives in the name of their sick perverted God. Who knows what we could have learned about our ancient ancestors, and what we could have learned from them, if that smelly man Jesus never got himself landed on that cross. Who cares if pagans had stupid beliefs as well? at least their beliefs where based around natural phenomena, and not just something to use as an excuse to molest nature plus indigenous populations in the butt hole. The ancient egyptians, aztecs, sumerians, and many others where more advanced then filthy muslim and christian and jewish scum societies until recently.The abrahamic religions are a repugnant stain on the dignity of the human race and all of our advances socially and technologically have been made in spite of these retched plagues of mental pestilence, any contribution to science or society made by believers in this hogwash are not the result of their beliefs but the result of their ability to reconcile those beliefs with reality by stretching and warping them.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1280) Clarified
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You're a faggot, aren't you ?

Side: Yes
FactMachine(409) Disputed
1 point

Not an argument. You can't deny that your religion is feces, I bet you eat feces for breakfast, because that's a better argument than yours, christianity is wrong because you eat feces for breakfast and have a piss fetish.

Side: BURN IN HELL
Dermot(3644) Disputed
1 point

What a great argument , and of course you're a ' model Christian ' arent you ?

Youre a knuckle dragging idiot who's ancestors no doubt took part in book burnings and persecution of scholars and progressives ; idiots like you if they had their way would drag the world back to a Bronze Age past where the words of flea ridden goat -herds would be taken as words of divine wisdom

Side: BURN IN HELL
1 point

Yes - there are some great minds wasted on religion, instead of applying themselves where they could actually advance the world.

Side: Yes

Ok, I’m a Pagan and relate some to eastern religions. I will admit that the Protestants have still managed to make advances in science despite beliefs. I see philosophy and religion as very kin things. I relate to Neitzche philosophy and National Socialism politically(in tribal sense but not totally racist). Ubermenschen can be pursued aside from racism. I don’t support many Christians’ stance that we are hopeless sinners and only God can determine our fate. We must evolve on our own accord or just dwindle aimlessly. The main things I have against Christianity:

1) turning other cheek just allows rogues to multiply and encourage transgressions.

2)humans are animals - maybe highly advanced but still animal and subject to evolution.

3)eternal damnation serves no purpose whatsoever - we simply advance to higher levels or if totally useless, we just cease to exist

4) Jesus was an extreme socialist and the sweet spot is a balance of competition and nurturing working opposition eternally.

Side: Yes
2 points

We actually wouldn't be more advanced. We have many things thanks to Christianity and what an impact it has done of us. Check the link for all of the lists of what Christianity has done.

http://www.faithfacts.org/christ-and-the-culture/the-impact-of-christianity

Side: BURN IN HELL
FactMachine(409) Disputed
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That article was thought provoking and while it did serve to remind me that christians and christianity have made plenty of positive impressions on the world, the positive does not negate the negative anymore than the negative negates the positive. The article seems to place all pagan cultures in the same moral category, but there are often big difference from culture to culture, not all pagans where homosexual child murdering cannibals as I'm sure you already know. Many of the rights and values attributed to christianity are based on those of older cultures but christianity has created a better moral system overall then the vast majority of them. That doesn't mean christianity is correct or that you need to be a christian to enact those values or preserve those rights. The argument that science is rooted in christianity is fallacious, many scientists believe in a principle called "determinism" which is pretty much the same as "fatalism" and many scientists believe in the possibility of the simulation hypothesis. And like I said the renaissance scientists who where christian and contributed to the creation of modern science did not discover what they did because of christianity, but rather because they where able to stretch that worldview enough to make new ideas fit into it. And lastly Kennedy and Newcombe's claim that the inquisition was not christian is blatantly false, it was entirely done in the name of catholicism. (Which is probably the worst form of christianity other than mormonism)

Side: Yes
Srom(12156) Disputed
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The argument that science is rooted in christianity is fallacious, many scientists believe in a principle called "determinism" which is pretty much the same as "fatalism" and many scientists believe in the possibility of the simulation hypothesis. And like I said the renaissance scientists who where christian and contributed to the creation of modern science did not discover what they did because of christ

Read this.

http://qideas.org/articles/christianity-and-science-in-historical-perspective/

And lastly Kennedy and Newcombe's claim that the inquisition was not christian is blatantly false, it was entirely done in the name of catholicism. (Which is probably the worst form of christianity other than mormonism)

It wasn't Christian. What is a Christian? Someone who is a devout follower of Jesus Christ. Catholicism is very different than Christianity, and it's more works based than Christianity. An actual follower of Jesus Christ would never actually do with what happened in the inquisition.

Side: BURN IN HELL
thehappy12(14) Disputed
1 point

Honestly, have you read about the child sacrifices and rituals of the different pagen religions? None of the old religions like Molak or Ishtar have contributed in anyway to humanites good. I struggle to think of a pagan religion that contributed in any positive way. When I say pagen I am thinking of the Vikings, Gauls, Hittites, Assyrians ect not any modern day peoples.

Side: BURN IN HELL
2 points

If the Christian religion is to love The Supreme and Ultimate Reality with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength... It stands to reason that love for God would do more to purify a person's intentions, strengthen their fortitude, and make them all together more genuine, kind, scientific, and beneficial members of the community.

It stands to reason that those who place idols before God and chase after vanity do more to advance things in a way that is more prone to arbitrariness.

Side: BURN IN HELL
FactMachine(409) Disputed
1 point

Believing in christianity does not mean to love the supreme and ultimate reality, that is your interpretation of it. whether it strengthens their fortitude, and makes them all together more genuine, kind, scientific, and beneficial members of the community is dependent on their interpretation and the extent to which they practice or don't practice certain aspects of the religion, some of which promote the above mentioned qualities and others do not. It stands to reason that not everyone who denies your god is worshiping some idol or chasing after vanity.

Side: Yes
TzarPepe(336) Disputed
1 point

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

If you are a Christian who does not acknowledge The Kingdom of God, that is hardly being a Christian at all.

Side: BURN IN HELL
1 point

No. And that's because early efforts of the church to crush dissent based on science failed long ago. And ultimately the reason they failed is because people would rather live a quality life enhanced by what science can bring to them than live in dark ages.

You could talk about the wars in the name of religion next but people always find a reason to fight anyway. Wars specifically over religion would have been replaced with wars about other stuff.

And like it or not the lessons of love and compassion taught in Christianity did a lot to help society advance.

So all in all, I wouldn't support the claim we'd be more advanced without Christianity.

I WOULD however, completely join with the critics who say we need to stand firm against religious zealouts who want to take over our government and legislate their beliefs to be imposed on everyone else. Screw that.

Side: BURN IN HELL

I don't think we would be much more technologically advanced, no. But we would most likely be more rational. I don't think it helps to isolate any ideology, either religious or political, as the sole obstacle to progress. Ideology itself -- or perhaps even the diversity of it -- seems to be the problem. By far the best method of understanding reality in terms of results is science. If there were ubiquitous agreement about this then I believe it would result in faster intellectual progress.

Side: BURN IN HELL
1 point

I am personally an atheist, but I don't honestly know about this. Also, more advanced in what? Religion definitely has its social benefits, and some good teachings, but science might be more advanced without Christianity. It really depends on your viewpoint and what we would be more advanced in.

Side: BURN IN HELL