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126
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Debate Score:236
Arguments:117
Total Votes:239
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Does a animal have the same value as a human

No bug or fishs

Yes

Side Score: 110
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no

Side Score: 126
4 points

See you changed the question, now the answer is yes because animals help us on a daily basis, although they are being replaced by machines, they have the same value as humans.

And actually, now that I think about it, you were correct before, because the earth is being ruined by humans, and animals keep it in a good state.

But if humans learned from animals to live with nature instead of building upon it, that would be nice

Side: Yes
Jace(4551) Disputed
3 points

Let me see if I have this correctly: animals have the same value of humans because they are useful to us? Right... you really do not see the flaw in that argument?

Side: no

Are you insinuating that my daily utilities do not all share the same intrinsic value as myself? The nerve!

Side: no
4 points

Animals have more value than humans. Humans kill, steal, etc. for the mere pleasure of doing so, animals generally do so in order to survive. How many jails are built for punishment of animals other than mankind?

Side: Yes
2 points

Humans kill, steal, etc. for the mere pleasure of doing so, animals generally do so in order to survive.

Anyone with a large dog with a particular fondness for smaller critters or a sadistically playful cat knows this is simply not true. I realize you said generally, but this is anything but a small exception to the rule and I suspect the addition of the word was an attempt at culpability evasion. Plenty of examples of unnecessary killing (far beyond those committed by domesticated pets mind you) and such happen in nature. Also, would the fact that my acts are driven by a need for survival excuse their moral significance?

How many jails are built for punishment of animals other than mankind?

Several in fact, as long as we accept jail in its polysemic vagueness to refer to a general place of containment. If instead you wish to use the exclusively human institution, than the point is pedant and can easily be dismissed as a necessary element to a species possessing the faculties to develop such complex social arrangements.

Side: no
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

On the other hand, a human can decide not to steal or not to kill, even if every instinct says to do so. An animal can not make such a decision.

Side: no
3 points

A animal is the most important thing on earth but a lot of people are to stupid to realize that lol!

Side: Yes
AtoZ(2) Disputed
5 points

Why do we humans believe that we are not an animal?

Because we have consciousness? Can we definitely prove that no other species has this ability? No, we cannot.

As humans we believe we are at the top of the food chain - but we are not the only species that organizes and builds communities.

Humans are just as much an animal as any other species on earth or in the known universe.

Side: Yes
Atrag(5322) Disputed
1 point

1) No single animal is more important than any other in terms of our nutrition. If one cow is killed another can use another one just the same.

2) Although humans like eating meat, we can survive just fine by eating any vegetables.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

But this is not about nutrition's.....................................................

Side: Yes
Ironic_Logic(10) Disputed
1 point

You would not be here without human beings giving birth to you.

And then you wouldn't even know what an animal is.

You are a troll

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

And we would not be here without animals what is your point............

Side: Yes
DrawFour(2661) Disputed
1 point

you're an animal.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

Thanks troll I like the way you think because it makes me feel much smarter because your so stupid.

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes! Animals and humans hv the same value.

Every living organism has the same value as humans. Ecosystem is supported by each and every living organism.

No one is superior and no one is inferior.

Side: Yes
2 points

I'm taking a different look on things. I really think that it depends on the person and what they care for. I've like animals but I realize other people love them and really cure about them more than humans. Like I said it depend on the person views.

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes! An animal has a life- they only live once just like humans. I don't know why anyone would say that they don't have the same value. I get it- they're animals and live in the out doors but this is saying that I'm better than a person because of something that really doesn't matter like skin color or clothing.

Side: Yes
1 point

Why no "bugs of fishes"? Can I include birds?

If this is you trying to find more evidence to support zoophilia, then forget aboot it. A child's life has the same value as that of an adult, doesn't mean having sex with one should be legal.

Side: Yes
goodmale(1459) Clarified
1 point

We are not talking about sex at all please if you want to talk about that than make a debate about it or something.

Side: Yes
1 point

Think of it: the earth can survive fine without humans, nothing that much will change and things may even improve because no more humans are destroying the animals' homes and polluting their water. However, say all species of sharks disappear. The ecosystem will be imbalanced for quite a while, and may even just collapse. Humans are just animals that live not in a natural habitat, but in an artificial area.

Side: Yes
1 point

You honestly believe that if all humans were to suddenly disappear, it would be fine? By your argument about sharks, I believe you do understand that the ecosystem isn't exactly elastic enough. Thus, your claim seems oddly inconsistent with itself.

Side: no

I'd rather save someone I like than an animal.

I'd rather save an animal than someone I hate.

Side: no
2 points

Well said.

Side: no
5 points

You aren't attracted to fish and bugs?

Side: no
4 points

The Topic Question:Does a animal have the same value as a human?

The response:

In most cases, a human organs are worth a great deal more than an animal's organs, so from that perspective, humans are a lot more valuable than animals.

Side: no
AtoZ(2) Disputed
2 points

From an economical perspective this is true, but from a biological perspective how do you value the organs of humans and animals?

Side: Yes
19gdewitt(6) Disputed
1 point

The only reason human organs are worth more is because to us as a species we can only function with our set of organs.... If you were a squirrel, assuming they were capable of thinking about this topic, you would prefer a squirrel's organs. Also its unfair to consider ourselves as superior. Religious beliefs aside, the only reason we believe ourselves better than that of a wild animal is because we are the dominate species and we would rather focus on ourselves as a species than another one...

Side: Yes
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

The only reason human organs are worth more is because to us as a species we can only function with our set of organs....

Duh.

If you were a squirrel, assuming they were capable of thinking about this topic, you would prefer a squirrel's organs.

That's moot.

Also its unfair to consider ourselves as superior.

That's ok, because we are superior regardless of whether we consider it or not. :)

Religious beliefs aside, the only reason we believe ourselves better than that of a wild animal is because we are the dominate species and we would rather focus on ourselves as a species than another one...

I don't understand how any of this refutes my point. :)

Side: no
4 points

They have value, but not as much as humans. Sorry.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
3 points

How it is because of them that we don't have to go though painful testing and we were able to have the gold rush and have stop many of bombs from going off. They help with the sick they keep us happy and also they make more jobs plus if it wasn't for monkeys we wouldn't be here.

Side: Yes
2 points

Don't apologize for speaking the truth. That's the way the world works. This dog 'lover' needs to learn that.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
3 points

Stop trolling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Yes
3 points

In what way? How are we measuring value?

Side: no
3 points

Value is an idea we create and apply to the world around us; it does not exist outside of our conception of it. The way we treat non-human animals strongly indicates that, on average, we do not value them the same.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

I don't know about you but I value them the same and maybe even more.

Side: Yes
Jace(4551) Disputed
3 points

This is not a refutation of my point. Try again.

Side: no

Determining the value of something organic with any other criterion other than morality is beyond the capacity of those present. How can we assess the ecological significance of any particular organism to the fullest extent? There is no conceivable means we could use to determine the entirety of the effects any particular living creature has on worldly affairs. Given this, we must approach the question as if applies to moral value. This is a much easier question, as life other than our own intrinsically has none. Morality is a product of human faculties, meaning that the only organisms capable of possessing value are humans. Therefor, humans have greater value than other animals.

Side: no
Jace(4551) Clarified
2 points

I agree with everything you have said, but feel you made something of a premature leap to your conclusion. Morality is a byproduct of human faculties, but this alone does not immediately mean that humans have greater value. That we do not ascribe equal value to animals through our moral perspectives means that human have greater value (and this truth is borne out by how we treat other animals).

Side: Yes
2 points

Morality is a byproduct of human faculties, but this alone does not immediately mean that humans have greater value.

Logical deduction can lead to no other conclusion.

-Morality (and therefor moral value) exists as a byproduct of human faculties

-Human faculties are exclusive to humans

-Animals lack human faculties (apologies for the tautology, but it seemed necessary)

-Animals lack morality(and therefor moral value)

The only elements of morality that apply to animals are those born out of our relationship to property(which admittedly is a very significant element, indeed I'd go so far as to say the most important, but this isn't something intrinsic and is only applied on a case-by-case basis)

That we do not ascribe equal value to animals through our moral perspectives means that human have greater value

If morality is an objective absolute (which I advocate as the correct premise), then moral perspective as it seems to be applied here is a meaningless criterion for the establishment of any conclusion to the question.

Side: Yes
3 points

Animals actually help us in many different ways , but the main object is that animals have spirits so they can feel , learn and even think .. so we should Considerate them ... but we cant deny that humans have more intelligence than animals . Animals also are created by GOD to benefit us ... we can see a human raising an animal but we may never see the opposite of that ....so in my opinion i say no

Thank You.....

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

God would have to real for that to be true and also intelligence is not always a good thing.

There has been many of times animals have risen humans and that's fact and we have also cut it on video before I think but it's for sure fact that we seen it happened before.

Side: Yes
2 points

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground -Genesis 1:26

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

Can you prove that God is real and if anything if God is real it's probity not your religion God.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18205) Disputed
2 points

You value individual animals over groups of people. That doesn't mean you value animals over humans.

Side: no
2 points

Looks like you're out of ideas, and recycled this old fishing attempt again.

Side: no
goodmale(1459) Disputed
2 points

No I just wanted to look at it in a different way.........

Side: Yes
2 points

Humans have the most value except God and it will stay that way forever and ever.

Side: no
GeniusKid(14) Disputed
1 point

Evidence?

And um this is not fifty characters, now it should be?

Side: Yes
2 points

NO. Humans and Animals do not have the same worth due to some reasons which are already mentioned above. read it ol.. i agree to many f them.

Side: no
2 points

Come on, you guys. This should be obvious. A squirrel and your Girl or Boyfriend are in two different houses. you cannot contact the police. there is a bomb in each house, and you can diffuse it. they are timed so that you can only diffuse one bomb. which one would you choose? obliviously your gf or bf. squirrels have little value, while a you would love a partner. Now it it was your pet squirrel that you love and a person that has the IQ of 3 that you hated, that would be a different story. you would save the squirrel. but chances are you are the only one that cares about that squirrel, but that person still has a family that cares for them.

Side: no
ffemt333(51) Disputed
1 point

First of all you sir are "oblivious" although i imagine you meant "obviously". and second at the same time. two houses. two bombs. on choice. your "gf or bf" or some random person. your gf or bf right? the other persons dead. same choice. or some person you dont know and the dog you,ve had and loved for years. idk about you but i'd choose the dog

Side: Yes
Satori(39) Disputed
2 points

Well... you gotta consider that the random human has a family that loves them.

I will admit that it is a hard decision.

Side: no
GeniusKid(14) Disputed
1 point

In the case of BF/GF, you would choose to save him/her because you have spent loads of time with him/her and you would also know that his/her family would get back at you/be upset if you let him/her die. However, squirrels won't hate you or get super upset over the death of their family member/friend, so you would be negatively affecting fewer lives.

Side: no