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Yes, "Cosmos" Fans, Creationists Also Deny the Science of Comets

Why is it so hard to just accept that the bible is wrong, science doesn't disprove God I anyway, and why is it so hard to see that maybe, just maybe that the bible is the word of man and has many mistakes, why would you want to live in ignorace?

What the hell is wrong with you people lol, I give up : (

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/neil-tyson-cosmos-comets-creationists

http://apps.usd.edu/esci/creation/age/content/creationist_clocks/comets_disintegration.html

Science, the true word of God

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Science is a lie from Satan.

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Science is a gift that we should recieve with gratitude and use wisely.

Side: Science, the true word of God
2 points

I wish eveyone saw it like you do, to me if there really is God I am sure that science would be the ultimate gift to all exsistance to help all life better understand the the true meaning of it all.

Science is the mathematical language of God.

Side: Science, the true word of God

Thanks. It really means a lot to have you say that. Science gave us the gift of medicine and anyone who has suffered cancer or mental illness should know this. Nothing happens unless God wants it to, so Christians better start funding science schools, and valuing science more. Science saved my life. Without medications designed by scientists, I would be dead, and I thank God every day for science and medicine and that faith healing thing is crap.

Side: Science, the true word of God
1 point

How will crunching numbers help us realize why we are here?

Science will not make us realize why we are here that would be philosophy

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
2 points

Science is a good thing, but I don't consider it to be evil. Science explains the natural order of things.

Why is it so hard to just accept that the bible is wrong, science doesn't disprove God I anyway, and why is it so hard to see that maybe, just maybe that the bible is the word of man and has many mistakes, why would you want to live in ignorace?

The Bible isn't wrong. It's right about a lot of things. Let me take something from a book I have that says something about science and the Bible.

This is my source: "301 Startling Proofs & Prophecies" By Peter and Paul Lalonde

"Number 133, In reality, a close examination of the Bible reveals may accurate scientific observations that were written long before modern scientists ever discovered them/ In the early part of the twentieth century, for example, it was determined by through Albert Einstein's theory of general relativity, that the universe had a beginning , and some entity, therefore must have been responsible for its beginning. By definition then, the entity would have had to exist outside of the universe in order to create it. Hebrews 11:3 tells us the universe was "framed by the word of God."

Number: 134, Einstein’s theory of general relativity had been applied to mass and energy, hence he came up with the famous equation E=mc2 (E refers to Energy and M to Mass). In the late 1960s and early 1970s three British astrophysicists, Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose, decided to apply the theory to space and time. But what was lacking at that time was overwhelming proof that the universe was indeed governed as suggested in Einstein’s theory. Scientists were only able to confirm it to 1% precision. Then a NASA rocket equipped with advanced precision technology was able to confirm to within one one-thousandth of a percent that the universe did indeed conform to Einstein’s theory of general relativity. With this confirmation, it was also concluded that not only did mass and energy in the universe have a beginning, but time did as well. So it can also be concluded that the entity responsible for the creation of the universe not only exists outside the universe, but outside of time as well. II Timothy 1:9 and Titus 1:2 tell us that the promises we now have in Christ were provided “before the beginning of time.”

Number 135, the same conclusion was reached about space. What does the Bible have to say about God’s existence outside of space? After Jesus (who the Bible tells us is God who came to Earth in a human body) was resurrected, He went to meet with His disciples in the upper room. The door was locked and He simply passed through the physical barrier. To prove He was not a spirit, but a body of flesh and bones, He invited the disciples to touch Him. He also ate fish and bread with them to demonstrate that He was indeed physical. In our four dimensional world, with one dimension in time and three dimensions in space, it is impossible for physical objects to pass through physical barriers like doors and walls. This is proof that God is not limited to our dimensions of space. So, again, science has discovered what the Bible already told us.”

Number 136, There are literally hundreds of creation stories that have come from various world religions. For example, a Chinese creation myth claims that a star canopy covers a square Earth with China at its center. The Egyptians claimed that a goddess with a starry body was resting her hands and feet on the four corners of a rectangular Earth. A Germanic legend claims a land of cold was separated by a wide valley of mist from a land of fire. A god was produced from the mist, and when the god died, all life grew from its corpse. The Mesopotamians believed the Earth floats on water. A dome covers the Earth and rain seeps through holes in the dome, while the stars shine inside the dome. The problem with each of these myths, though, is that they obviously do not line up with the established facts of nature. Compared to other creation explanations from world religions, the Biblical account of Genesis is the only one which does not conflict with modern scientific evidence.”

Number 137, The Bible was written at a time when many religious myths were suggesting explanations for creation which we now know to be complete nonsense in light of modern scientific discovery. Many people of that day believed, for example, that earthquakes were caused by the huge waves that crashed into the shore when a tortoise swam in the sea! Many also believed that a Greek god supported the Earth with the strength of his arms. But, clearly, the Bible did not partake in the popular culture of its day and God’s Word, when it makes reference to the natural world, is consistently found to line up with the established facts of nature. The book of Job makes many references to the workings of the natural world. Job 26:7, for example, says “He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the Earth upon it.” Verse 8 says, “He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.” So the first verse is telling us that the Earth hangs in space, and the second verse is giving us a description of evaporation. “

Number 138, “The book of Isaiah was written long before man discovered that the Earth was not flat. And yet we read in chapter 50, verse 22, that God “is he that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth.”

Number 139, We know, today, from the Second Law of Thermodynamics that the contents that make up the universe are running down and that the universe, therefore, is not eternal. This was big news to modern science, but not the Bible. In fact, centuries before the scientists even thought of the idea, the Bible made it very clear. In Psalm 102:25 and 26, we are told that the universe, created by God, is going to wear out like old clothing. Isaiah 34:4 tells us that the “host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down.”

Number 140, One of the most astonishing scientific references in the Bible talks about atoms which cannot be seen. In fact, the Bible tells us that the “worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear” (Hebrews 11:3).

Number 141, Many of the hygienic laws that God gave to the Israelites have also been proven by modern medicine to be accurate. When the black plague struck Europe and when leprosy spread, the Jews in many instances were blamed because these plagues weren’t running rampant in the Jewish ghettos. Why? Because they didn’t have sewage running in their streets as was the case in many other cities, like Paris, for example. There, sewage was running into the Seine River and people were not only bathing in their own filth but drinking from it too! We can still see this kind of thing taking place today in countries like India and Egypt, which are not Christian nations and therefore do not follow the principles of the Bible. By following the hygienic laws of the Bible, the Jews throughout the ages have managed to avoid many of the plagues and diseases that have stricken other cultures.

Number 142, In addition to the hygienic laws that God gave to the Israelites, He also gave them many commands regarding their diet. They were instructed, for example, not to eat meat like pork, which we know today needs to be cooked with extreme care since it carries parasites. They were instructed not to eat fish without scales, like lobster or crab, which are suspected today of containing cancer causing agents. They were also instructed not to eat meat and dairy products together, which we know to be very hard on the digestive system. So these dietary laws were not merely for religious reasons, as many believe, but they were also given for health reasons—and sound advice it was! “

Number 143, Now let’s consider the Jewish custom of circumcision in which the flesh of the male foreskin is cut off. The Israelites were instructed to perform circumcision on the eighth day after birth. Only in recent years has it been discovered that the blood clotting factor in a baby doesn’t reach its maximum peak until the eighth day after birth and then it drops down again! So, according to modern science, the eighth day is the ideal time to perform circumcision. So important was this instruction, in fact, that the rite was not postponed even if the eighth day was the Sabbath

Number 144, “Interestingly, many doctors and hospitals today will perform circumcisions upon request because it is known medically that men who have not been circumcised are more likely to cause cervical cancer in their wives. There is a very low rate of cervical cancer in Jewish women.”

Number 145, “The book of Deuteronomy (23:13) says that the Jewish soldiers were to have a “paddle,” or a shovel, attached to their weapons so that when they had to “ease” themselves they could dig a latrine and bury it. Up until World War I, about ten times as many soldiers died of disease as they did from war wounds because they did not know enough to dig a latrine and bury the human waste. The book of Deuteronomy was written by Moses who had been educated by the Egyptians. They believed, for example, that wounds could be healed by rubbing them with dung from a camel. How did Moses discover that burying waste was more hygienic than using it for medicinal purposes?Another wonderful proof of God’s divine hand guiding the writings of the Bible.”

Number 146, “In the late 1800s, Louis Pasteur developed his theory that germs cause disease, not poisons which develop in the organs as other scientists believed. Also predominant in that day were many myths in a number of cultures, suggesting that evil spirits were the cause of disease. The books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, however, written hundreds of years before, are filled with various hygienic references on how to keep disease at bay. If someone was sick, the Israelites were instructed to cover any open vessels that contained food or beverages. If someone was suffering from a plague, the Jews were instructed to remove them outside the camp, with someone being designated to go with them and take care of them. They were instructed to constantly cleanse their hands and clothing while treating patients. Some Viennese bishops who followed these rules during a plague in the 1600s managed to stop the plague cold. So the Bible obviously recognized that disease was caused by the spreading of germs—years before scientific discovery could catch up!”

Number 147, “A Christian Quaker by the name of Joseph Lister picked up on Pasteur’s work and became the founder of antiseptic surgery. He worked on several experiments that would lead to the practice of disinfecting surgical tools. Even so, it still took a very long time for hospitals to adopt the practice of complete hygienics. In many hospitals across Europe in the early 1900s, for example, doctors would leave an autopsy room and then go and deliver a baby without washing their hands in between. Needless to say there was a great mortality rate for both birth mothers and newborns while this practice was going on. Later, one Christian doctor decided to implement some of the things he learned from the Bible and had the staff in his hospital department start washing their hands in between each medical procedure. The result: A dramatic reduction in the mortality rate within his department! Indeed, it took many years for scientists to “discover” that germs even existed and that they could be passed through the air or from unsanitary medical procedures.

Side: Science, the true word of God
2 points

The Bible isn't wrong. It's right about a lot of things.

Just to let you know. The Bible can both be wrong, and be right about a lot of things.

And the examples you quoted don't know what the word clear means.

Side: Science, the true word of God
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

The Bible isn't wrong it's right. The examples I quoted was proof of how the Bible knew some scientific things that scientists haven't figured out until later on.

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
Nebeling(1117) Disputed
2 points

I don't think any of these 'proofs' are any where near compelling. The first couple of ones about Einstein's general theory of relativity show a deal of misunderstanding, and in general all the points that try to utilize physics show no substance, and are nothing but misleading word play. I am not going to go into detail, because I doubt any one would want to go through the necessary level of detail to explain it all.

So I am not going to go into great lengths here, I am just going to point out some details, which I think are quite revealing.

Biblical account of Genesis is the only one which does not conflict with modern scientific evidence This is assertion is laughable and everyone who has ever participated in a debate involving Genesis will know it's wrong.

“The book of Isaiah was written long before man discovered that the Earth was not flat. And yet we read in chapter 50, verse 22, that God “is he that sitteth upon the circle of the Earth.” Except that a circle isn't a sphere. This point amounts to nothing more than wishful thinking.

We know, today, from the Second Law of Thermodynamics that the contents that make up the universe are running down and that the universe, therefore, is not eternal This is literally painful for me to read.

I don't know much about medicine, but I don't doubt that there's at least some inaccuracies there. It's clear though that number 146 is unsubstantiated to say the least. It doesn't take a scientist to figure out that one should avoid the coughs of sick people. People are naturally disgusted by it. Bishops figuring out how to avoid spreading sickness does not show that they knew that germs were the cause of sickness, it simply shows that they figured out what worked. If they had made the discovery that microorganisms were the cause of disease, one would think they might have tried to spread the news. Yet they didn't, they didn't even leave a note about it.

A difference between science and revelation, is that science is rejected if it doesn't fit the facts. Revelation is reinterpreted into absurd metaphor until it appears to be somehow in line with reality. Again, revelation of this kind is word play. You have to make a strong mental effort to make dogma like this fit the facts, so while it's possible to force your self to believe that it makes sense, a more modest and unbiased stance would quickly reveal the ridiculousness of it.

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
1 point

It could also be that the Bible is widely misinterpreted. A literal interpretation is certainly far-fetched, though.

Side: Science, the true word of God
1 point

The bible is not a divine science textbook that proclaims to explain everything anout the workings of the universe. The bible, taken literally, gets you to where you need to be ethically and spiritually and that is its intent.

Side: Science, the true word of God
2 points

You got it backwards man. It is the symbolic version of the Bible that leads to ethics and spirituality. But, you are on the right track, so that's good.

Side: Science, the true word of God
Cynical(1948) Disputed
1 point

You don't need to be taught ethics, mate. Believe me, the Bible is laughable when compared to other philosophical texts, especially those regarding ethics.

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
1 point

That is idiotic. A literal interpretation has led to disaster. It may not be a divine science textbook, but it is a guide for living a spiritual life. The myths that traditional Christians interpret literally, blinds them from the greater messages.

Side: Science, the true word of God
1 point

Very very very few Christians actually think science is evil.... Far far fewer than atheists would like to believe. No pride... Vanity... That is a different story...

Side: Science, the true word of God
Cynical(1948) Disputed
1 point

I don't think most Christians hate science; but most don't trust it, and even less of those, believe it.

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
2 points

"I'm very Christian and I believe in and trust science. I love science. :)

Side: Science, the true word of God
AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

I agree there is a mistrust in modern times. That is because the two entities have been set into opposition by secular forces. The scientific community is now completely sold out to any agenda that is considered anti-christian; and in my point of view it has nothing to do with the merits of such arguments.

Side: Science, the true word of God
1 point

I don't really take the above perspective, I just wanted to point out that it made me laugh a little.

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.
1 point

neither, science is science...................................................................

Side: Science is a lie from Satan.