You're *all* Hindus, whether you like it or not!
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I get the point but you're technically incorrect. 1) You really can't say someone is Hindu when they don't worship nor even have any direct knowledge of ANY of the gods of Hinduism, from Brahma to Vishnu to Shiva to whichever. That's like calling someone a Christian because they live kind of like Jesus Christ did even though they have no idea that Christ ever existed. 2) Your argument is also analogous to saying the Jews and Christians and Muslims are all Zoroastrians whether they like it or not just because they are monotheistic and the Zoroastrians are an older monotheism than the others. 3) A person could also turn your argument completely around and says Hindus are all "_" (whatever we are) whether they like it or not because they're just like us. Let me explain myself further. I'll copy and paste a response I had earlier: Well, I believe that Hinduism encompasses the morals of all people. In fact, in just one book (the Bhagavad Gita), it discusses dualism (God rules over people) non-dualism (we are all part of God) and even atheism (there is no God, God is just the name for the universe we live in). There is nothing said to be wrong in Hinduism which is said to be right in any other religion. Everything is correct, Hinduism gives reason to all ideologies. The reason? There is more that one path to the ultimate truth and happiness, which some people believe occurs in heaven and some believe occurs on Earth. You can only do good deeds. You can be really devoted to someone or something such as: god, parents, children, software development, architecture, even gaming! You can give up worldly pleasures. You can sacrifice something you love. You can be a Christian, Jew, Sikh, Atheist, or Agnostic. Alright, but there are valid reasons most don't agree with you. Simply having compatible morals and overlapping beliefs doesn't make them the same thing. That's like saying being a French national and being a US national are the same thing because the Constitutions defining what it means to be one or the other are quite similar in concept. 1
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I know where you are coming from, as the Hindus with their pantheon of Gods who represent every imaginable religious (and non-religious) ideology. But I would have to admit that I balk at referring to myself as a Hindu. Instead, I can go so far as to say that, primarily I consider myself a progressive Born Again Christian who also embraces several of the Hindu Religion's Cosmological and philosophical views. 1
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Well for starters don't like the entire caste system. I also do not believe in Samsara. I trust you know what that is? I also have a problem with their huge number of Gods, which is the hundreds. They include rocks and blue-headed flute players. This is a bit much. I never found the whole Ganesha mythos appealing at all. Sort of gross, really. An elephant head god fashioned form dead skin and muddy bath water? Please. In Hinduism, it really does not matter what you believe, you are considered Hindu anyways as they believe you will be reincarnated or move to a higher level of heaven or nirvana the same as them. They just think they know it better than you........and they can't prove they have the right to exist as sinners outside of Hell. 2
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Hindus don't believe in Hell. Nirvana is not Heaven. The word literally means "extinguishment" as in extinguishing the Flame of Desire which is the primary source of our suffering. they also are not nearly as arrogant and elitist as many fundamental Christians, so no, again, they do NOT think they know it better than anybody else. 1
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You don't like the angry me? I'm cooling off. I should be back to my old self soon. It's just that life happens and then I find some jerk to take it out on. This time around it was SaintNow. And the thing is he could have avoided being the chosen one but he took his ass-holiness a little bit too far. ;) 1
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this is the problem with Identity politics. I can draw up a vague philosophy with minimal excluding factors and claim that everyone is one of those. it doesn't make it true. then, I can preform a great atrocity in the name of that identity and then no one wants to be that, despite the fact that definitionally you are one. look at the assholes that preach feminism. I am not a feminist. I refuse to ever Identify as one. but yet they herd the sheeple in by saying "hey! you want equal rights for men and women right? well then you're a feminist!" No sweetie, that's not how that works. 1
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Actually, it is. It just means you are one particular type of Feminist. You don't even have to self identify as an ideological or religious group to actually be a part of it, so long as you hold and espouse the tenants of it. That is why people who believe in sexual egalitarianism are, essentially, Feminists. You make the mistake of hearing a small minority of feminists, most of which I am guessing adhere to Radical Feminism (an actual group, not some made up term), who tend to come across as very annoying, combative, and hostile. 1
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If it's true that "You don't even have to self identify as an ideological or religious group to actually be a part of it" then I'm going to make a philosophy called "Evil" and to be "Evil" all you have to do is do something that harms another, directly or indirectly and never experience remorse for it. by this definition we're all evil. So, I want to push my VHEM agenda, (voluntary human extinction movement) so I hold that we're Evil. and a smaller amount of Evil in the world is a good thing. - So if you agree that destroying Evil is good, and everyone is Evil, by transit you're saying all humans should die. You should therefore, have no choice but to be considered a part of the VHEM. which means, if you hold that there should be less evil in the world, you're part of the VHEM. So go kill yourself! - This is not how philosophy works, you cannot say to someone "These are your tennants? you are BLANK" you can only say "Your tenants align with BLANK" -1
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No, Kayne was actually right. And you wrong. As I exemplified with my post which stated that even though I DO agree and even admire some of the Hindu doctrine I do not call myself a Hindu, it is also true that you can agree with a tenet of ANY ideology and yet not label yourself as being solely of that group. Example: I am Pro Choice. So are the Dems. YET: I am not a Dem. I agree with the right to own guns. Yet, I am not a member of the NRA. I trust this clears it up a bit for you? Well, I believe that Hinduism encompasses the morals of all people. In fact, in just one book (the Bhagavad Gita), it discusses dualism (God rules over people) non-dualism (we are all part of God) and even atheism (there is no God, God is just the name for the universe we live in). There is nothing said to be wrong in Hinduism which is said to be right in any other religion. Everything is correct, Hinduism gives reason to all ideologies. The reason? There is more that one path to the ultimate truth and happiness, which some people believe occurs in heaven and some believe occurs on Earth. You can only do good deeds. You can be really devoted to someone or something such as: god, parents, children, software development, architecture, even gaming! You can give up worldly pleasures. You can sacrifice something you love. You can be a Christian, Jew, Sikh, Atheist, or Agnostic. 1
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Eh, personally I find this sort of thing to just be silly, as it is effectively meaningless and says nothing about whether or not people adhere to the beliefs of Hinduism. This is especially true when you consider the fact that Hinduism itself is difficult to treat as a singular entity, considering how there are multiple different "manifestations" (for lack of a better word) of it, some of which are more like a classical religion, some of which are more like a spiritual lifestyle. I shall paste another response so I can explain myself better: Well, I believe that Hinduism encompasses the morals of all people. In fact, in just one book (the Bhagavad Gita), it discusses dualism (God rules over people) non-dualism (we are all part of God) and even atheism (there is no God, God is just the name for the universe we live in). There is nothing said to be wrong in Hinduism which is said to be right in any other religion. Everything is correct, Hinduism gives reason to all ideologies. The reason? There is more that one path to the ultimate truth and happiness, which some people believe occurs in heaven and some believe occurs on Earth. You can only do good deeds. You can be really devoted to someone or something such as: god, parents, children, software development, architecture, even gaming! You can give up worldly pleasures. You can sacrifice something you love. You can be a Christian, Jew, Sikh, Atheist, or Agnostic. If Hinduism laid a sole claim on those ideas then you may have a point but alas it those ideas are no the property of Hinduism. In fact no religion really has the sole claim to many of their morals because there is overlap between so many other religions claims. Some ideas seem pretty universal with some variation while others seem quite different. Your example would be like espousing certain qualities that Religions identify as, "You believe in treating others well? Your're a christian. You believe being gay is not right? You're a Christian" Can someone label you? Sure, doesn't mean its accurate from all points of view only theirs. How about tell you what you are for you...disallowing the ability to govern your identity of self. Pretty sure no one can do that for you but they can do it too you...but what type of person or organization would that be. Would Hinduism do this to a person? Well, I believe that Hinduism encompasses the morals of all people. In fact, in just one book (the Bhagavad Gita), it discusses dualism (God rules over people) non-dualism (we are all part of God) and even atheism (there is no God, God is just the name for the universe we live in). There is nothing said to be wrong in Hinduism which is said to be right in any other religion. Everything is correct, Hinduism gives reason to all ideologies. The reason? There is more that one path to the ultimate truth and happiness, which some people believe occurs in heaven and some believe occurs on Earth. You can only do good deeds. You can be really devoted to someone or something such as: god, parents, children, software development, architecture, even gaming! You can give up worldly pleasures. You can sacrifice something you love. You can be a Christian, Jew, Sikh, Atheist, or Agnostic. The critique I have already presented covers some shortcomings of your stance. A few other posters have also made critiques that anticipated your stance and raised some similar questions. Your post doesn't seem to address these issues. Now after seeing your argument my original post certainly is relevant, but I see other things I disagree with now. Your definition of Hinduism gets real loosey goosey. You almost use it replacing the word religion saying; "You can be a Christian, Jew, Sikh, Atheist, or Agnostic." but really your definition is even broader than the defitnion for religion encompassing all philosphy as well. How you use Hinduism becomes too maleable for it to be useful and it strays from its meaning, its a definitional fallacy. If we were to have a word for that I suspect it would be a word that already doesn't have a different meaning than the one Hinduism already has. Aside from that there is an issue with your main line of reasoning that my previous post addressed. I believe that Hinduism encompasses the morals of all people. I am looking for other warrants or premisies that support "you're all hindus" but it all seems to boil down to your premise above. Other premises repeat the sentiment of this claim. There is more that one path to the ultimate truth and happiness... To paraphrase; "Hinduism has all these parts, if something has this part its Hinduism." However what is true for the whole is not necesarily true for all parts. Your claim fails here because it is the fallacy of division. hahahha, this is so stupid. Jesus Christ is The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY who died for the sins of mankind and rose from the dead by His own power, and lives forever and is the KING of all Kings, the Creator of all things. Hell will confine and consume evil forever, and all sinners who will not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ will be there and the smoke of their torments will rise forever. You can be a Hindu if you want to now, but in Hell you will know Hinduism is no good. what a dumb ass....let me first explain about your so called lord shiva. lord shiva is not an vedic god. shiva worshiping was practised in indus valley civilization. when vedic system was introduced people were not intrested to follow this vedic believes(LMAO). FYI, shiva was worshiped for sex(reproduction). Read about the study of phallus sucker. Like this the vedic people stole all the god from others to make people come to this vedic system. iam an atheist...lord shiva is a motherfucker, that motherfucker smoke weed.... it is believed that brahmins are born from the head of lord bramma, Kshatriyas are born from the shoulder of bramma, Vaishyas are born from the thighs of bramma, shudras are born from the feet of bramma, which means that bramma had buttock in his head, shoulder , thighs and feet. a special foot wear is made for him alone in the heaven. and a special toilet is made for him. hinduism has never talked about liberation, it only talks and believes in slavery....still now (2020)it has not changed. 0
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Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. |
