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Your opinion on dubstep?
One of the fastest growing genres of electronic music, dubstep has been packing clubs for a couple years now. If you've heard it, what do you think about it and why do you feel that way?
I do like a bit of dubstep, I suppose I've a more old-school taste in it though, I find that what Americans' call dubstep is what people over here refer to as brostep, which is a sub-genre of dubstep.
I don't mind a bit of bro thrown in, but I personally find a full set of build, drop, build drop to be a bit monotonous, especially when it's basically the same bass instrument in each record.
I'd advise checking out the Dubstep Allstars series of Dj mixes, for pure original Dubstep and garage rhythms. It's dance music, but not in the traditional bosh sense.
I think I'm probably a little too American to know what "bosh" means, although by context I think I might know what you are getting at.
As a current producer who turned his back on EDM for a few years and is now taking stabs at it again, I have really mixed feelings on dubstep. On the one hand, I don't like a lot of it (although you and the others posting have put up a few nifty tracks). Mostly I think it is ugly, dumb-sounding music (but then, look at where I live and what we are getting.)
The other hand is that I actually quite respect what it is doing. The major genres of EDM were pretty much stagnating or fizzling out in the last decade, despite all of the innovation and creativity of the 80s and 90s. House finally caught up with the times (for better or worse), and minimal/techno will always be cool in my opinion, but there hasn't been an innovation there that I know of since I was in my mid-20s.
Meanwhile: DNB, formerly one of my fave genres has become stale. Trance just keeps finding innovative new ways to piss me off (and I started out as a trance DJ in 97), breakbeat and hardcore appear to be totally missing in action. And all the sudden we get dubstep, this slow, grungy, angry sort of thing that is essentially the polar opposite of modern trance. And I support that. I'm calling it "club hangover", and I think there is a future there.
My apologies for use of slang, sometimes I don't think. Bosh in this instance refers originally to the sound from hard dance, you know, bosh, bosh, bosh, but has been taken on as any harder style.
I take a stab at production as well, more minimal Techno and Techouse than anything else though.
Are you on soundcloud?
As for the various states of Genres, if there's one thing I've noticed, is that it's pretty much a cycle, there's probably some teenager in his attic tinkering away with combinations that everyone thinks sound retarded, until the right people hear it at the right time and all of a sudden he's an innovator and borderline genius, re-inventing some long forgotten sub-genre of breakbeat Goa trance.
Bosh in this instance refers originally to the sound from hard dance, you know, bosh, bosh, bosh, but has been taken on as any harder style.
Ahhhh, gotcha.
I take a stab at production as well, more minimal Techno and Techouse than anything else though.
Excellent genres, some of my favorites.
Are you on soundcloud?
Not as yet. I've only just recently got back into production, and I haven't really finished anything off just yet. I'm building my sample directory and learning the finer points of sound manipulation, as well as trying to decide just where I want to aim for me first set or two. Ultimately, I will be doing multiple genres, but as I would also like to play live relatively soon, I need to go one direction first to get a full couple of sets ready.
As for the various states of Genres, if there's one thing I've noticed, is that it's pretty much a cycle, there's probably some teenager in his attic tinkering away with combinations that everyone thinks sound retarded, until the right people hear it at the right time and all of a sudden he's an innovator and borderline genius, re-inventing some long forgotten sub-genre of breakbeat Goa trance.
Those are better than I'm used to hearing, I'll admit. More interesting structures and soundscapes. But it all comes back to the same thing: that bass ruins an otherwise listenable song. And as a former junglist, I have plenty of appreciation for dominant, distorted bass lines. But there was so much percussion going on that it was usually the foreboding frenzy of the whole composition that tended (to me) to be either euphoric or cathartic. With dubstep, the half-speed beats and percussive minimalism (and often, a total lack of anything else), seem to call the sheer ugliness and abrasiveness to the front and push away the other elements. It wasn't quite as pronounced in these tracks as in others I've heard though. There may be hope for this genre yet :P
If I may, I believe your approach is far too calculating for a genre most popular among members of my generation. It is a question of whether or not one likes the basics of Dubstep-the drops, repetive kicks, buildup-drop-wub wub wub wuuhub, etc.
The demographic it is intended for values these more than those who, to put it nicely, are more well-versed in musical styles and genres.
You, having had a lot of experience with music, examine it a deeper level. We simply like what "sounds good" at a superficial level.
If I may, I believe your approach is far too calculating for a genre most popular among members of my generation.
Well, it often appears that my approach is too calculating for ANY generation, yet I still make do.
To be honest, as I explained to thepyg, this whole debate IS calculating. I'm trying to figure out WHY people like it, and WHY I don't. By all rights, I should be right up there with you. I'm a bass fanatic with a taste for underground and sometimes down right experimental music. I dig a lot of minimalist music. I like my sounds dirty. And yet...here I am hating on it. In a way, my response to you helped articulate my problems with it...so I guess the purpose has been served.
It is a question of whether or not one likes the basics of Dubstep-the drops, repetive kicks, buildup-drop-wub wub wub wuuhub, etc.
Drops: I'm an old jungle dj. I practiced double drops. I like drops.
repetitive kicks: not more repetitive than any other form of dance music. Not AS repetitive as 4-to-the-floor (house, disco, techno)....I can handle it. In fact I PREFER my beat patterns repetitive.
Wub-wub-wub: the wobble bassline is not new. I've used it in both DNB and hip hop, and that was a decade+ ago. I do, generally, like wobbles, but the presentation (for me, at least) is key.
Dubstep is a fairly unique total arrangement, but the elements were kickin' quite nicely in "my generation".
The demographic it is intended for values these more than those who, to put it nicely, are more well-versed in musical styles and genres.
Bullshit. Dubstep fans are coming out of hip hop, jungle, metal, punk, industrial...and on and on. For what is essentially an experimental style, it is drawing a wide range of tastes. No reason why someone who is "well-versed in musical styles and genres" should dislike it. If anything, it should help.
You, having had a lot of experience with music, examine it a deeper level. We simply like what "sounds good" at a superficial level.
So do I. I can articulate WHY I like or dislike music, but ultimately it is the resonance that it creates with me that determines my feeling on it. No different than you. I don't run through my analyses until later.
Either way, the songs you posted were pretty interesting and pushed in some directions I hadn't heard dubstep try before.
I'm trying to figure out WHY people like it, and WHY I don't.
That's the thing. The people who like it (my generation at least) don't know why. It is not the most smooth. It doesn't have the best sound structures. It doesn't have the best lyrics (if any at all). It doesn't have the best component sounds. It doesn't have the best... del, anything. It, to those my age, simply "sounds good." There is no WHY. It is a yes or no question for people who aren't well-versed in music.
I don't even think the WHY even exists in many cases. Sometimes things just work together well (for people who like it). Dubstep takes elements of electronic must that already exists and blends them in a new way.
I can articulate WHY I like or dislike music, but ultimately it is the resonance that it creates with me that determines my feeling on it. No different than you. I don't run through my analyses until later.
I don't buy that your experience and breath of knowledge of music has had absolutely no impact on your taste. I'm sorry but that is bull. Does a film critic have the same taste in movies as an off-and-on dvd-watcher?
While I get that it is a young scene with a young majority demographic and young producers/djs, you seem to be implying that people "my age" don't get it. All the people I know who are promoting dubstep in my area are right within my age range. One of the busiest dubstep dj/producers in my town is 37, a full 4 years older than I. Since the vast majority of people who I associate with are in their late 20s to anywhere in their thirties, the dozen or so dubstep fanatics I know are almost all in that range as well. People who were around during jungle's heyday have a pretty good chance of appreciating the groove, ESPECIALLY if their tastes in music have slowed down with age. I don't think you are trying to be ageist, but the demographic is more widespread than you seem to realize (unless my city/state is unique in that regard.)
Any way, I half agree/half dispute the "just sounds good" statement. On the one hand, that's how music gets us. Yes, even me...
I don't buy that your experience and breath of knowledge of music has had absolutely no impact on your taste.
Well, I wouldn't say NO impact. The biggest effect it has is that few things sound truly original to me anymore. Even then, I admitted that the overall sound of dubstep is reasonably unique. None of the parts are new (except the way some of the producers use the wobble bass. Some of them are really pushing the envelope on that to essentially experimental levels.) But as a popular genre goes, it has a pretty distinctive sound. And even if it didn't, I probably wouldn't care too much. Derivative music can actually be quite fulfilling if done well.
But when it comes right down to it, my initial impulse when being exposed to new music really is pretty much the same as yours. It is an emotional flush, I like it or I don't. I have to sit down and think about it later to know exactly why (most of the time anyway. Sometimes it is quite obvious.)
But even if the initial impact is simply an emotional response, there is, ultimately, a reason for it. It might be biological, subconscious, whatever. It might not be something you think you can put words to. But somewhere, there is a reason. Even if you can't or don't want to try to figure out what it is, your selection of tracks that you are putting here seems to have some clues. I mean these are what you are showing me to represent this genre. So as long as you keep doing it, I might develop a partial insight.
As far as the last one, I actually kinda like that groove. I'm not always into reggae influenced stuff, but that one had a decent vibe and the lead line wasn't too annoying.
I don't consider myself a musician (cause I'm not making music right now), but when it comes to dubstep, i don't really like it for any other reason than that I just like it. I sort of know how it's made after seeing DJs do it in front of me (i've always been interested in making electronic music, but never got motivated enough to save up for equipment... i don't like spending a lot of time on things unless there's instant reward... music isn't one of those things). After seeing how DJs do it, it didn't change my perspective on it at all. I like it all the same.
I kind of understand your dilemma, but at the same time, I feel that you're really just looking too hard into it. Music, to me, doesn't need to be analyzed. Sure, if you're studying music history, it's kind of a requirement, but when i always wanted to hear something new, I never really cared about how it was made... I'd usually leave that up to Pandora to decide for me. Now, we're probably just at different mentalities. I kind of like everything. usually i only dislike something if it's crappily made or is just WAY too generic. You seem to be viewing it in a way too structured way, and it seems to just be frustrating you (in that, it seems to have all the traits that you like, but you just dislike the execution).
My obsession comes with being in the production spot. Here I am, the world is my oyster. I can make whatever the fuck I feel Like. And ultimately, I will. But if I have to choose between making what I like and getting a venue to play at, or making what I like and never leaving my bedroom, I will choose the former. Because playing for yourself and whatever friends happen to visit is not nearly as fun as playing for a packed room.
And when it comes to playing on a local, essentially beginner's level, its about who you know. I know a few promoters in my town. But the ones who could get me a decent show are all building the dubstep scene around here. I could, theoretically, play at the biggest venue in my municipality if I did something that would work at a dub show. Pretty much guaranteed. Now, LET ME MAKE MY NEXT POINT TOTALLY CLEAR, please:
I WILL NOT, never Ever EVER, write or perform music that I don't personally enjoy just to get a show. However, if I can swing it in a direction that is fun for me AND my audience, then, hell ya, I will play at a fucking dubstep show. What I am trying to discern here is if that is possible. Because I could go any number of directions: breaks, house, minimal, industrial; and enjoy myself. But if I can find a synthesis of my preferences that gets me to where the crowd is, that's what I want to do. It isn't about fame or adulation, its about the high that comes with playing a packed house. I've done it before, and that high is the reason I'm tossing my hat back into the ring.
And...I'm an analytical man, so that is why my approach is as it is.
Well, I don't know what venues you attend, but I would recommend going to some indy venues that play EBM. They tend to play a lot of dubstep, but you'll notice that the Hipsters like shit that is similar but not it, as well. I would suggest a little bit of Aggrotech with your industrial, and House music with your dubstep. Dubstep is huge, but it's not the only thing out there that everyone loves. House music, to me, is definitely in the mainstream. If you're going to play the biggest venues, I would see House and Trance as your ticket in. Dubstep, while growing, isn't Top 40 stuff. It's more like when Metal grew in the underground and got a lot of notoriety, just not Top 40. Skrillex is the most popular dubstep DJ, and most of the kids who aren't really into dubstep ONLY know Skrillex. But even Skrillex is nowhere to be seen in top 40 radio (i live in the miami area).
Now, in Europe, Dubstep is probably far more appreciated, but I don't know where you're from, so my input on what you should play really just varies. But House and Trance, to me, are still the top stuff in the Dance world.
Also, I don't know what kind of Dubstep fans are in your area. It could be the Skrillex, Crookers, and Deadmau5 folks, but if it's the people who like Excision, Eos, Numbernin6, and various kinds of Dubstep DJs, I would say that you probably don't even need much dubstep. Get experimental, but like I said in the beginning, put a little Aggrotech with your Industrial and play a lot of House. I always felt that Hipsters would appreciate Aggrotech just because of how indy it is (don't play an entire aggrotech show, though... you'll bomb at a big venue).
now that I think about it, listen to Crookers. They're sort of pre-dubstep type House music.
I doubt you are familiar with my town, but it is one of a kind. We keep getting voted a "super great place to live and raise a family". We are ruled by out-of-state college kids. We are pretty Christian, but rather centrist politically. And music?...
We are pseudo-home to the Descendents/All and the location of the Blasting Room...which basically means this is an okay city to live in if you are punk, and if you are anywhere within the general radius of campus or old town you WILL see a punk within a few blocks. We used to have a ridiculously strong goth/industrial scene here, of which I am a product, but they mostly moved to Denver or out of state by 98-02 (or they just stopped being "weird" as a product of aging/getting married). We are also home to a reasonably well-known metal band, Immortal Dominion, and the metal scene in Colorado has always been pretty solid. Hipsters? They aren't as defined here as they are in Denver, but they always turn up at shows. Hell, I have a reputation for being a hipster, which I neither confirm or deny. And the electronic scene?
For a few years around 98ish-00, we were one of only two major municipalities in CO which allowed raves in city limits, which meant we got a LOT of big DJs. At the time, the CO rave scene was fairly big and earning a growing reputation among big djs. I once had Donald Glaude essentially walk me to my house. Then...BOOM...the RAVE act hit and the CO scene quickly fizzled out. Denver now has the Beta Club, which is huge....but I don't live in Denver. As far as here in town: At this exact moment, it is all pretty much Electro House and Dubstep, although Progressive House is still fairly big and Trance can be found. The once massive DNB scene appears to have totally disappeared, although it sometimes turns up as an accent to Dub sets. And then there is Pretty Lights. I'm not sure where he is based at now but he is from Ft. Collins. Originally hip hop, he's been doing a fair amount of dubstep and grime of late, and supposedly has the respect of Skrillex. He is one of the reasons why Dubstep got so big here recently.
So yeah, that is the music of the town where I live. Denver and Boulder are much more complex.
but I would recommend going to some indy venues that play EBM.
Done and done :) These places have been my home away from home for over a decade.
I would suggest a little bit of Aggrotech with your industrial
Two of my best friends promote what is essentially an aggrotech night. Indeed, I am missing their Christmas party RIGHT NOW, because I am broke and lame and it is cold tonight. One of the tracks I had been working on lately basically is instrumental aggrotech, but I've been slow to wrap it up because I am waiting on new programs and samples.
House music, to me, is definitely in the mainstream. If you're going to play the biggest venues, I would see House and Trance as your ticket in.
Not in my town anymore. Granted, the most active dj here is a house/trance dj, but his shows don't really bring out the kids anymore. Mostly its his 100 or so friends metaphorically sucking his dick all night, which is just an uncomfortable experience for me since I don't think he is a very worthwhile human. He IS an outstanding DJ though. But really, the dubstep shows are starting to take over. Like RIGHT NOW, as in the last six months or so-ish.
But even Skrillex is nowhere to be seen in top 40 radio (i live in the miami area).
Ahem: http://www.americasbestdj.net/bestdj/ ...number 2 in the states, and probably the second biggest name in electronica in my town right now (after Deadmau5).
But House and Trance, to me, are still the top stuff in the Dance world.
Technically yes. But in my little semi-backwater town, not so much anymore. Also: my take on house would me be minimal/tech/progressive with a dash of electro. In other words, I like Deadmau5 a lot more than I like David Guetta. And trance? I started out as a DJ of hard acid trance in 97, but the trance scene started pissing me off almost immediately. These days I have little interest in producing much of it, at least by traditional definitions. See below...
Just in the past week or so I came up with an idea that I am currently working on sonically. I call it "Club Hangover". It is inspired by the response to dubstep. Drop the BPM, use a bunch of sub-bass, make your lead lines pretty distorted and dirty. Rely more on drops than on intricate breakdowns. I'm already seeding three sub-genres:
Trance hangover: Trance at 100-110 BPM, lots of bass, dirty ass synth lines and much shorter breakdowns that are essentially bass drops.
Reverse dubstep: same tempos and beat patterns as dubstep, but instead of the wobble lead lines accompanying the sub bass, use high end, distorted and very complex spacy synth lines in their place.
Subminimal: Techno and minimal at 90-100 bpm with heavy subs and a CONSTANTLY evolving song structure.
These are all types of music I have begun over the last few evenings....:)
After seeing the three genres you want to incorporate, what i'm about to say may seem irrelevant, but have you ever seen an Infected Mushroom concert? They're Psy-Trance, and to me that shit is far better than a lot of the other Trance (like Armin and Tiesto). I like Trance, but I find IM to be far superior (even in the Psy-Trance genre where you can find GMS and Enigma). You've probably heard them, but their live concerts incorporate dubstep, as well. probably to give something to all the youngsters, but they incorporate it well. Also, the entire concert has live music (guitar, drums, singer). Seeing the show really put a different perspective on how Dance Music can be done (I've gone to House and Trance shows and have never seen anything like IM, they really seem to put a unique spin on their shows; I would say it really was my favorite concert, including non-dance concerts). Although, I haven't been to nearly as many concerts as you probably have, so you may have seen similar shows. But as for Trance, I say that IM definitely does a way better show than the top guys like Armin and Tiesto. and I know what you mean on the Trance "scene". It's kind of... douchey.
Listen to Psy-Trance, though, if you haven't already. GMS is pretty sweet and is more general in Psy-Trance than IM (IM gets pretty experimental, especially their last few albums).
As for your mention on Metal being pretty popular in your town, give Big Chocolate a listen. He does what he calls "death-step" which is a lot of dubstep type remixes to death metal, and in general Big Chocolate remixes Metal songs. they're pretty sweet (especially for a metal and dubstep fan, such as myself).
Your link makes sense, but I'll say that it's a vote generated website. While a lot of the people voting on the internet probably love Skrillex, I wouldn't say that "Top 40" is reflected by this. But top 40 in Mia doesn't even play Deadmau5, so maybe my region just sucks. We do host UltraFest, though...
idk.
Anyway, I like your mention on creating more drops and less breakdowns. What makes breakdowns good is when they don't happen often. The drop is the most exciting part, and in my experience (metal and hardcore music), the break down is sort of a novelty act and kind of generic. The drop has way better potential to blow people's minds. Also, it's what's most important in dubstep.
If you wanna perform big, I don't think you need to psyche yourself into liking Dubstep. If it's meant to be, you'll naturally flow into it. You already have a lot of the elements of it, so maybe all you need is a light transition.
but have you ever seen an Infected Mushroom concert?
No, I have not. However, I am rather familiar with their work. Psy-trance/goa is one of my secret genres that i dip into....on certain occasions. My personal fave of the genre is Eat Static. The following example isn't really psy-trance per se (although they were a huge influence on the UK Psy-scene), but is easily one of my favorite electronic tracks ever, and the song I used to open my biggest show as a DJ. Just listen to the whole thing (it has multiple distinct movements) and let it build into pure awesomness (and imagine it as the beginning of a tech-house/tech-trance set). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=016keaJeXpQ
Although, I haven't been to nearly as many concerts as you probably have
LOL. Okay, yeah I have been to a shit ton of concerts, raves, and club nights. I just find it amusing that people in this debate are identifying me as some kind of "music absorption maximalist". I mean, yeah, that is basically true, but I didn't realize it was that obvious...:)
As for your mention on Metal being pretty popular in your town
I must point out that I generally don't care for metal bands. I like Prong, Helmet, Boris and had a big phase with Sepultura, but that is pretty much the extent of it. Still....I will check out that artist just because "death-step" sounds intriguing.
While a lot of the people voting on the internet probably love Skrillex, I wouldn't say that "Top 40" is reflected by this.
Shit, man. I thought It would be clear by now that I'm not looking at top 40. These are club and festival mainstays. Top 40 can eat a bag of dicks. Multiple bags of dicks, actually.
What makes breakdowns good is when they don't happen often.
Ex-muthafuckin-zactly!!! I like a 5 minute breakdown that is perfectly constructed, but I only need one or two every two hours. The rest of the time, let the beats be there. The ultra-mega-super breakdown approach is precisely how the Dutch ruined trance.
If you wanna perform big, I don't think you need to psyche yourself into liking Dubstep.
I guess I didn't make myself clear on two levels.
A) I'm not trying to perform big. I'm trying to rock my little town that most people who don't live here fail to care about. I wanna see my friends and the kids smile when I have that "perfect" drop. Fuck making it big. Its about whatever audience you can scrounge up. (Not to say that I would be opposed to being a beatport sensation or opening for Bassnectar in Seattle. I'd be down for those, I'm just not shooting for the stars like that, y'know?)
B) I'm not trying to "psyche myself into liking Dubstep". Chances are, I'm never going to like that genre very much. But there are elements and approaches to the music that I do respect. If I can do it my own way, that would be a dream. But to actualize said dream, I need to "get where these kids are coming from". I have my ideas. But before I commit significant memory in my drive to it, I wanna see if I'd be better off doing that or being yet another Deadmau5 copy rodent.
First time I finally liked it, I was drunk and high at a party and they were playing that all night. We were all hopping around in the living room and it was dark with a bit of lights and I had some of the most fun I've ever had.
Now, I can't get enough dubstep. It's one of my favorite genres.
I run into this a lot. People who didn't initially care for it have some special (usually loud and inebriated) experience with it, and suddenly its like crack to them.
Honestly, I sort of expected that to happen to me. I've been a long time supporter of electronic music of a wide variety, and tend to be accepting of new genres coming out. Plus my tastes always tended to run underground and bass heavy, and in the past decade I've developed a new fondness for minimalism. Plus, I've got a lot of history with both DNB and hip hop. So it really seems like something I should like. But I just don't. With a few exceptions (certain tracks by Burial, Bassnectar and Skrillex), I just find it to be either really ugly or exceptionally boring, and almost always undancable. And I've certainly given the genre A LOT of chances to bring me in, thinking that it would eventually click for me. But I'm just not digging it, and not able to figure out how it has brought in so many outsiders into electronic music.
I'm working on producing new tracks these days and hoping to get live sets going by 2013. I have so many connections in the local dub scene that it is quite tempting to go that route and get guaranteed shows at decent venues, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Might skirt around the periphery, but will always stop short of actual dubstep...
Well, I listen to just about everything, and to me, Dubstep is like the Death Metal of Electronic music.
But to me, just listen to what you like. I pretty much listen to anything, so I was never opposed to Dubstep. i just started loving it after that night at the party.
Not I. My body internalizes music, but it can go well or horribly depending on what I listen to. "Good" stuff can cure colds, wake me up and make pain go away. "Bad" music, at least at sufficiently loud volumes, can give me headaches and nausea. So I tend to be picky :)
Dubstep is like the Death Metal of Electronic music.
While I can see the analogy (and from what I've heard, some dubstep producers are also in metal bands), I would argue that terrorcore would be a better fit. Although I don't know if there are any terrorcore artists left...
But to me, just listen to what you like.
I'm just curious. I'm trying to at least visualize the modern EDM Zeitgeist, even if I can't properly understand it. I'm also trying to figure out why I DON'T like it. Like I said earlier, it has a lot of elements that I usually gravitate towards, but the final execution puts me off.
I keep re-investigating it every few months because I've had many experiences where I initially disliked certain genres only to realize that I was only hearing the crappy artists and grew to love them after finding certain artists or sub-genres. That was exactly what happened to me with DNB in the 90s. And people keep talking about how quickly dubstep is changing and how many sub-genres are emerging, so I try to be optimistic. But I keep getting disappointed.
Well, you don't have to like it... I just like a shit load of stuff, not everyone is like me.
Some things make me feel awesome (like Pink Floyd), and other things I just love.
I really just like to enjoy all kinds of music. I love going to metal concerts or ska concerts and getting into the pit, singing along even when I don't know the words. I love going to trance and house concerts and rolling face. And Dubstep events are, to me, some of the most fun (and not as physically painful as metal concerts).
You mentioned liking Bassnectar, and that would be a good starter for dubstep (since it's a lot more relaxed than other djs), but I would recommend:
If you want to get into what's really good dubstep these days, look up Datsik, Excision and Downlink. They work a lot with each other and the hipsters (who hate skrillex) end up loving those guys.
in all honesty, though, you should try rolling at a concert that will have dubstep. Or just get high and listen to this stuff. I notice that drugs can be really good at making you like music that maybe you didn't like before. Hell, it did it with Pink Floyd and Dubstep for me.
"I notice that drugs can be really good at making you like music that maybe you didn't like before. Hell, it did it with Pink Floyd "
You don't need drugs to enjoy pink floyd, although it does enhance it massively. If you like Pink Floyd you should definitely check out King Crimson, that is if you haven't already heard of them.
I appreciate the suggestions and the variety you provided....
I did like the "Deep Space" remix, but to me that was pretty much badass digital hip hop. I listen to a few hip hop artist who were doing similar stuff prior to dubstep's arrival.
The rest were varying degrees of annoying, although that Skrillex remix was probably one of the better ones I've heard.
So far, I've heard a fair amount from that Canadian trio, and none of them do much for me.
As far as my interaction between drugs and music....not the sort of thing I talk about online. Your suggestion is noted however :)
I'm no musician, but if I had to guess. It comes across as simultaneously flowy and choppy, it seems to have multiple sound structures you can pick up on. For example, the pitch progression may be one way, while the rhythm is another, allowing you to dance to it at different paces depending on what your synchronized with.
Well, on the one hand this approach has been in dance music for ages. But until dubstep came along, it was always the non-percussive elements that were messed with. Beat tempo was a sacred cow for so long. It had to be quick to be danceable (even though hip hop, reggae and a dozen other styles clearly showed that this wasn't really true). That's one of the things that is really intriguing me about dubstep's success: these half tempo percussive patterns are breaking right through the lower speed limit and people are dancing their asses off. It also creates this void within the track, this open space that can have really trippy implications depending on how and when you fill it. I've already started experimenting with half tempo percussion in my newest works. It is really awkward feeling to me, but I think if I can get the hang of it, I might be able to create some pretty cool stuff.
There are many kinds of dubstep, i prefer the chill kind and i find it peaceful its smooth and calm and it pretty much plays my favorite notes and there is violin dubstep which is nice as well not all is loud and wild. look up lindsey i think the name is on youtube or look at epic violin street performer theres a guy playing a violin and its that kind of dubstep but my favorite is (Mt. Eden escape) LOOK THIS UP ON YOUTUBE ESPECIALLY THE LAST ONE and you might change your mind and if not there are other kinds.
Personally I don't like dubstep or it's sub-genres. I find it loud and obnoxious, like a child with a megaphone who has just learnt all the words to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. I can understand the appeal of listening to dubstep whilst dancing but for the most part I just cannot understand why so many people enjoy it so much.
When i hear dubstep, i picture sadists and masochists, freaky and done up in leather, listening to it while they rape piglets in their moms basement or something.
It grates on my nerves in such a primal way, when I'm stuck at a venue that's playing too much of it i can literally feel myself going insane. Being fucked up (which often makes music sound better) only adds to the sense of madness and disorientation that is dubstep.
From a critic standpoint, i've heard musically talented dubstep, yes, but the genre is a pop sub-genre of electronic music, steadily climbing in popularity before its fall. When you found an entire sub-genre on twiddling the LFO, you really limit and room for innovation or progress. And while i have heard dubstep that isn't a horrible as the popular stuff, by and large the sub-genre lacks the imagination, funk, soul, and malicious placement of other sub-genres, like minimal or deep house. The strategy here seems to be to assault the listener with as much chaotic noise as possible, sample some new pop song, and hope that everyone in the audience is rolling balls.
And it's really hard to dance to music like that without looking like you're seizing.
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It seems to me that music has hit rock bottom in the 90' and just went further south in the 00"s. Now that we have dubstep, all I can say is that music has died.
