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are vegetarians idiots or not

they actually do eat living things

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well, i actually don't think they're idiots. I just hate the Rainbow vegetarians, and since this side is empty, why the fuck not go on this side?

Are they morons? No. Do i give a shit about what they say? No. Do i wish they would STFU when they start bitching about "zomg, it's healthy" or "omg, how could you kill an animal?" FUCK YES, STFU YOU DIRTY HIPPIE.

otherwise, no, they're not idiots.

378 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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What are Rainbow vegetarians? And what do hippies have to do with vegetarians...and dirty ones at that?

367 days ago | Tagged As: No
- ThePyg(3123) Disputed
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vegetarians who bitch and moan about oppression towards animals.

367 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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i agree w/ pyg. they arent stupid. i have many friends that are vegitarians. but they should keep their face shut and not try to convince everybody to not eat meat and that killing an animal is soooo cruel and everything.

376 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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If they are eating vegetarian for ethical reasons, meaning they think that it is mean to eat animals, I think that this is foolish! (I am not talking about religions not eating meat, but animal nuts.) It is perfectly natural for us to eat animal products, and now-a-days there are even cage free eggs and chicken you can buy in order to bypass this excuse to not eat animals.

376 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- jessald(1347) Disputed
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Just because something is natural doesn't mean it's morally acceptable. For example, it's natural for people to kill each other.

376 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Well, I believe that they aren't idiots, but It's not like they're that different than us.

I do know one "Rainbow Vegetarian", That will NEVER stop trying to get me veg, but he's kind of a jerk.

146 days ago
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It is very interesting to note that in the fossil history the explosive growth of the human brain (what defined us from other apes) which is also the fastest evolvement of any organ in the fossil history; that that growth is totally parallel to those proto-humans (apes) becoming predominantly meat eaters

Also; some recent studies show that vegitarian brains seem to be shrinking.... Im not kidding....check this out:

http://www.google.is/search?q=vegetarian+small+brains&ie;=utf-8&oe;=utf-8&aq;=t&rls;=org.mozilla:en- US:official&client;=firefox-a

145 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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umm ok well if it is because they feel it is wrong to the animals then that is stupid. No animals were ever killed just to kill them. There has never been free chickens and there hasent been free cows since the wild west. They are bread to be killed and eaten. Feed healthy diets to get good meat off of them. If they are doing it for the enviornment then that is even more stupid. No matter what they do tere is still going to be a need for meat. Which means cows. Ok so they release flatulance which produces methane a greenhouse gas i believe. So they may ask me what am i doing for the enviornment....Im eating the cows. Simple. There is always going to be cows and they are always going to fart. We fart too. I guess you all just dont get it..

364 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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You clearly don't understand the environmental reasons behind being a vegetarian, so let me enlighten you. In order to feed cows thousands of acres of rain forest are cut down every year in places like Brazil. What vegetarians (and in this case I guess it would be mostly vegans) understand is that eating lower on the food chain is better for the environment because you get your energy straight from plants, instead of from animals who ate plants. It's more efficient, and less crops have to be planted.

363 days ago | Tagged As: No
- MHSaunderz(35) Disputed
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Plants being planted to replace the rainforest. It helps us and the environment to have plants growing. They release this new thing called Oxygen maybe you have heard of it. It helps us live. When we cut down the rainforests down we need to replace that somewhere. Plants that the cows eat. Cows that we eat. Simple process. We have always eaten cows forever. Why should we stop now? Cows eat grass. Reeeeeaaall expensive. I cant say i have ever seen a healty looking Vegetarian. If being all pale and flushed is healty and smart then i will live the rest of my life an unhealty moron.

363 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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Vegetarians do not eat meat because they think its wrong to eat animals. Right?

But what about the other animal products?!?

If a vegetarian drinks milk or eats eggs they are 100% contradicting themselves.. vegans are the smart ones (the ones who do NOT eat soy)...

370 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- kirstie1126(467) Disputed
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What is your problem with soy?

368 days ago | Tagged As: No
- believeyoume(789) Supported
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Yeah, go vegans! (Although I know that's not even close to what you were saying, still! Yay! Veganism!) Vegetarians do contradict themselves, I agree. Especially since the dairy industry directly contributes to the meat industry.

Wait, but what's wrong with soy, now? Soy beans are quite clearly vegetables.

145 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Hey Soc..she never said that milking a cow kills it...lol!

367 days ago | Tagged As: yes
+ laurax(3) Disputed
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i dont believe that they are idiots but i also belie that they are not the brightest people for saying no to the delicious wonders of meat YAY MEAT!!!!! but thats just my opinion

366 days ago | Tagged As: yes

No. This doesn't make any sense. Vegetarians are people who simply have views that are different from the norm, and I think that they are different in a good way, different for the best. Sure, we've been eating each other for all of history, but there have been definite changes in the way we behave before, and very drastic ones as well.

250 days ago | Tagged As: Ahead of the curve
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Many people and cultures survive on varying levels of vegetarianism. Some for environmental or economic reasons, some for religious or belief reasons.

The human body can obtain all the nutrients necessary to survive from a variety of sources. It is by far more important to eat a diet with various fruits, vegetables, and grains than the opposite. In fact, there are serious health issues for those who eat mostly meat and too little other items.

379 days ago | Tagged As: No

I take offense to the question (no I'm not a vegetarian but it's a dumb question).

A lot of vegetarians are not just vegetarians because they don't want to kill living things; they are vegetarians because it's better for the environment.

Eating lower on the food chain helps the environment because you get more energy straight from plants then you do if an animal first eats the plants and then you eat the animal. Also in many nations, rain forests are cut down in order to grow food for animals and the environment suffers. The problem with this logic is that you then must become a vegan, because weather you kill the animal or not, it's still hurting the environment by producing milk, eggs etc...

Other vegetarians are worried about poor treatment of animals. They have a point because often farmers use corn to feed cows even though they can't digest it. This hurts the cows and makes them unhealthy. The good thing about organic meat is that you can usually be pretty sure that the animals were treated reasonably well.

I personally am against eating intelligent animals (dolphins, dogs, crows, some monkeys etc... and yes I know people usually don't eat these kind of animals). There is no way to test weather an organism has consciousness or not, but it more then likely is related intelligence so I would rather not eat animals that are smart enough to be aware of themselves.

378 days ago | Tagged As: No
- believeyoume(789) Supported
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I semi-agree with your argument, but as a full vegan, I obviously don't agree with some of it, but I don't really think it's necessary to get into it. In general: yay, your argument!

But I'd like to point out that pigs, for one, are much much much much smarter than dogs. In fact, they're smarter than three-year-olds. So I think that makes them qualify as an "intelligent animal" in your point of view. Oh, and if you give a group of turkeys a ball, they'll make teams and play soccer with it. Not lying. Swear to god. These animals are so weird/cool/surprising.

145 days ago | Tagged As: No
- andsoccer16(1264) Supported
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I had no idea pigs were that smart...if only bacon wasn't so delicious.

145 days ago | Tagged As: No
- yesiam(28) Disputed
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"A lot of vegetarians are not just vegetarians because they don't want to kill living things"

Huh, interesting. And here all these years I thought plants WERE living things........

69 days ago | Tagged As: yes
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1. Plants can't feel pain, or think.

2. By eating plants you still end up killing less plants then by eating meat. This may be a difficult concept for you so I'll try to explain it as clearly as possible.

By eating lower on the food chain, you are eating more efficiently. You can eat plants which get their energy directly from the sun, or you can eat animals who get their energy from plants which in turn get their energy from the sun. Therefore, no matter what the overall effect is that the energy comes from plants. The difference is, by skipping the middle man, you get more bang for your buck (so to speak).

Therefore, if someone hypothetically did care equally about all living creatures (I'm not sure if there are people like this, but for the sake of argument let's say there are), they could minimize the amount of organisms killed by eating lower on the food chain (a.k.a. becoming a vegetarian).

66 days ago | Tagged As: No
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My girlfriend's a vegetarian, but not overbearing at all. She lets me eat meat, and she doesn't say anything to anyone who does eat meat... she just doesn't eat meat. It's odd, now that I think about it because it's simply not an issue.

Honestly, I think that it's something that we can all do, and would be better overall.

377 days ago | Tagged As: Ahead of the curve
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No they are not stupid just because they do not eat meat. Their views may seem stupid but hey I think that when you die you get 50 virgins seems ridiculous but there are some smart people that follow that belief to. Meat doesn't make you intelligent, but it sure doesn't hurt ;)

251 days ago | Tagged As: No
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I think vegetarians must be smarter than average, if they do it by choice. There's so much research that supports vegetarianism, you have to be willfully ignorant to not know it's better for your health, world hunger, the economy, deforestation, animal suffering, and global warming. Yes, it is that important.

250 days ago | Tagged As: No
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No of course not. They are just following a different lifestyle than a lot of people; there is nothing wrong with that. If a person is a vegetarian for the environment, for health, or for animal rights it is their choice and a noble one at that.

I agree the title of the debate seems rather insulting and ignorant.

376 days ago | Tagged As: No
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I'm a vegetarian because I think factory farming is an abomination.

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ Factory_farming_needs_to_be_reformed

378 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Kuklapolitan(4226) Supported
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Another good point Jess...that is something I do know from another debate and Jess clued me in to the facts which I read here on-line through different sources. Factory farming IS an abomination.

366 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Kuklapolitan(4226) Supported
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...and for this answer, I get down-voted? Get a clue you minor being.

250 days ago | Tagged As: No
- jessald(1347) Supported
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I read a Newsweek article just this morning about how animal rights legislation is becoming more mainstream. Good to hear!

Supporting Evidence: Animal Rights is Now a Mainstream Movement (www.newsweek.com)
365 days ago | Tagged As: No
- laurax(3) Disputed
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WHAT about milk?!

Heres a few facts on why cow's milk is so unsafe:

1. Diary products contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates

2. Milk is saturated with fat and cholesterol

3. Milk is contaminated with cow’s blood, pus, pesticides, and hormones

4. Dairy is linked with allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease and cancer

5. Cow’s milk can cause anemia in children

6. Dairy can result in insulin-dependent diabetes in the later years of life

7. Diary products actually cause osteoporosis. Chinese women who consume calcium from plant sources have lesser incidents of bone fractures in old age

8. Milk has no iron, however it also blocks its absorption

9. Milk has less protein than most vegetables

10. Milk does not cure peptic ulcer disease. It only offers temporary relief of pain. In the long run milk causes acidity and further destroys the stomach lining

11. Milk is carcinogenic. It contains a factor called as IGF-1. All cancer studies show that when IGF-1 rises in the body one gets cancer.

AND DON'T THINK THAT MILK IS HIGH IN CALCIUM!

Guess what it may say it contains calcium, but the protein in milk inhibits calcium absorption!

& what about the cow's?

1. Cows live for about 25 years and produce milk for about nine years. The stress of the factory farm leads to disease, lameness and reproductive problems and most cows die or are sent to the slaughterhouse in four years.

2. In the farm, the cows are hooked by their udders to electronic machines and cows are subject to constant electric shocks. This leads to mastitis.

3. They spend their entire lives standing on concrete floors and living conditions are abysmal.

4. Cows are genetically manipulated given antibiotics and hormones so that their milk yield increases. Many are also given gentically modified feed which has been shown to result in infertility, and the effects of this on humans is virtually unstudied.

5. To see that cows produce milk, they are impregnated. Female calves are either slaughtered or added to the diary herd. The male calves are killed for veal, which is considered to be a meat delicacy.

STOP DRINKING THE FREAKING FRANKENMILK!

Vegetarians are idiots because they are for animals but yet they still eat dairy.. which is an oxymoron.

370 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- jessald(1347) Disputed
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"1. Diary products contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates"

This does not make them unsafe.

"2. Milk is saturated with fat and cholesterol"

Skim milk isn't.

"3. Milk is contaminated with cow’s blood, pus, pesticides, and hormones"

Only trace amounts -- not enough to harm you. It's regulated by the FDA.

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I could go on, but you haven't even cited any sources for these "facts", so I won't bother.

"Vegetarians are idiots because they are for animals but yet they still eat dairy.. which is an oxymoron."

Well, they've taken a step in the right direction. Killing ten people is better then killing a hundred.

370 days ago | Tagged As: No
- kirstie1126(467) Disputed
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I am sorry, but you have no source for this information, and in fact most of it is wrong! I have been studying nutrition for many years now, and have my PhD in Nutritional Sciences, and never did we discuss any of these topics other than how they are often myths that are spread as urban legends. Speaking in these sorts of absolutes and spreading fear like this is just not rational!

368 days ago | Tagged As: No
- Jamais(264) Supported
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Cow's milk is made for baby cows, not humans in the first place. Kinda like feeding dog food to your cat.

370 days ago | Tagged As: yes
- dcool15(107) Disputed
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i dont like opposing arguments but you may have put up a good one not many of your so-called facts are true next time google them and find them on a reliable site i do think that milk is healthy and i also believe that all meat and dairy products can be healthy in the right increments and i purchase horizon organic milk which have no harmful chemicals.

366 days ago | Tagged As: not idiots but uninformed i guess
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If they eat in a healthy manner, I think that it is fine! (I knew a vegetarian who lived pretty much on french fries and ice cream, this is not a healthy diet.)

376 days ago | Tagged As: No
- believeyoume(789) Supported
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That's what I like to call a "junkitarian."

50characterssssssssss

145 days ago | Tagged As: No
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I don't want to take sides on this one because I don't know enough about the subject to argue it....But one thing I do know...STOP the name calling...no one here is an idiot or a moron...win the point by arguing it properly not name calling!

366 days ago
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Maybe we should try eating insects instead of cows. Lots of people enjoy grasshoppers, and caterpillars. Especially in Africa, Japan and Southeast Asia. All those people can’t be wrong or is our Western culture too squeamish.

It is well known that insects have a higher nutritional value then red meat. So lets give it try and keep both sides happy.

362 days ago | Tagged As: No
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Your debate description makes you an "idiot," if anyone is, although I'm not a fan of the defensive name-calling. How is eating plants anything close to the same as eating animals?

From what I'm gathering from your debate title and description, you actually recognize that there's something wrong with eating meat and you're getting defensive. By calling vegetarians "idiots," you're trying to make them out to be something bad so you feel better than they are. And the description is an attack that you must know is pointless and overdone, so you're trying to make vegetarians seem "just as bad" as you are (not saying you're bad). Interesting... do we have a closet animal rights activist here?

;)

145 days ago | Tagged As: No
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