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Debate Score:53
Arguments:35
Total Votes:80
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does the christian god exist?

no

Side Score: 21
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yes

Side Score: 32
1 point

I can't guarantee the christian god doesn't exist, but I regularly call Santa Claus more likely.

Side: no
1 point

Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)And all at once. And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

Side: yes
1 point

Yes I do believe in the spaghetti monster.

Can I prove to you beyond a reason of a doubt that it does? No. Probably not.

Does believing in the spaghetti monster mean I deny science? No, absolutely not.

Does believing in the spaghetti monster mean I think schools should only teach spaghettism? Heck no. Evolution is an accepted theory, it brings a lot of information explaining why things are as they are now, to the table.

Does logic and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Nope.

Side: no
GoodListener(628) Clarified
2 points

In the future, make the blue side 'yes' and the orange side 'no'. This debate has become complete chaos as some users are reading the names and others are assuming the default (which is the other way around).

Side: no
2 points

yep, this hole place turned into chaos... i commented on the wrong side too

Side: no
1 point

Plagiarizing Richard Dawkins, then not citing him as a reference destroys your credibility as a debator.

Side: yes
1 point

Does the christian god exist?

Nope.

He has mutually exclusive traits, as well as an impossible trait.

Omnibenevolence and omnipotence are mutually exclusive traits.

Here's Epicurus explaining why so I don't have to:

β€œIs God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?

Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?

Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?”

Epicurus – Greek philosopher, BC 341-270

Also, if your definition of God includes omnipotence he doesn't exist because omnipotence contradicts itself: Can god create a rock he can't lift?

Yes: Then he is not all powerful because he can't lift the rock

No: Then he is not all powerful because he cannot create a rock that he can't lift.

I suppose if your definition of God is a being that is omnipotent, with a few exceptions like the one above, he could technically exist, but then you would need to provide some evidence in order for me to believe he exists.

Side: no
1 point

fromwithin actually banned me for criticizing the christian god, he said it was the equivalent of calling someone a nigger... frankly i think its dangerous to let your faith overpower your logic, so lets discuss this logically, why do you think the christian god exists, show me some actual evidence!

Side: yes
TzarPepe(793) Clarified
2 points

Definition of "God" according to merriam-webster

"capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"

Definition of "ultimate reality" courtesy of Merriam-Webster

"something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality ultimate reality in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is God"

That should do it.

Side: no
1 point

fromwithin actually banned me for criticizing the christian god

You ban people for critisizing Islam, and you aren't even a Muslim. That's definately a mental illness...

Side: no
lionard1122(74) Disputed
0 points

i dont ban anybody -_-, and i criticize islam all the time

show me one instense when ive done this

Side: yes
FromWithin(6608) Disputed
1 point

Here you have it folks, yet one more example of deceptive people on this site spewing lies.

This decpetive liar just said I banned him from my debate for criticizing God.

ROFLOL, this fool did what every anti Christian bigot does. He insulted all Christians with their bigoted mouth.

In this case he took the Lord's name in vain twice, while addressing a Christian. He used Jesus Christ as a swear word, having absolutely no respect for the feelings of the people he is debating.

I said, if you were a Black man, how would you like me using language such as "nigger" when addressing your arguments?

I said, if you were Gay, how would you like me using lanquage such as "faggot" when addressing your argument.

I have never spoken those words my entire life, except in this context.

The lack of decorum, respect for other's beliefs, decency, manners, etc. etc. shows up so often from so many anti Christian bigots on this site.

I will ban the childish insulting losers who waste the time of any decent intelligent person who actually wants to debate the issues.

Resorting to that type of language clearly displays lack of intellect. I have much better things to be doing.

He could have used this oportunity to apologise, if he truly wanted to keep debating me.

He did what most bigots do and doubled down on his disdain for Christians by lying about it.

Side: no
lionard1122(74) Disputed
1 point

ok, either you are a moron or you just dont care: "he took the Lord's name in vain twice", how do you want me to debate you while avoiding literelly the main topic of the debate?!

if i had to gauss i would say you were looking for an excuse to ban me

also... thats a major difference between us... i respect you enough to criticize your stupid beliefs while you view it as disrespect... I RESPECT YOU, NOT YOUR IDEAS

btw that challenge is still up ;)

Side: no
1 point

Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)And all at once.

And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

Side: no

You must be one of those uneducated wannabe preachers!!! Did you know most religions including but not restrained to Christianity and Islam share the same God?

If I say the Christian god exist I am saying the not a but the God of most religions exist. I am saying Allah,Jesus,Yahweh,Brahman, and all the other gods are the same god in different form and in different teachings.

Since religion is not defined as a factual thing, I can not cite un biased sources.

http://www.equip.org/article/are-all-religions-the-same-at-their-core/

https://christianity.org.uk/index.php/a/ are-all-religions-worshipping-the-same-god.php

Side: yes
lionard1122(74) Disputed
1 point

again, you are just making this up... what evidence is there for the existence of any of this gods?! non!

Side: yes
1 point

Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)And all at once. And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

Side: no
0 points

Yes I do believe in God.

Can I prove to you beyond a reason of a doubt that he does? No. Probably not.

Does believing in God mean I deny science? No, absolutely not.

Does believing in God mean I think schools should only teach Creationism? Heck no. Evolution is an accepted theory, it brings a lot of information explaining why things are as they are now, to the table.

Does logic and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Nope.

Side: yes

I saw this not long ago. If you believe in God and God does exist, you will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven: thus an infinite gain. If you believe in God and God does not exist, you will not be rewarded: thus an insignificant loss.

Will never kill a person to believe if you are right than you have heaven if you are wrong than I guess nothing happens.

Side: yes
lionard1122(74) Disputed
1 point

this idea is flaud, if you bring up no evidence of this case the chance of it being true is as small as any other imaganary scenario i can make up, for example: a god that only sends atheists to heaven, wouldnt that be ironic?

Side: no
1 point

The way I figure it is there is only one way to know for sure. And I'm not in a hurry to prove anyone right or wrong.

Some people need to believe in God, a higher power, to bring meaning to their lives. Mourning parents may need to believe their child is waiting for them in heaven, some place away from pain. Others need to believe in God as a moral compass, an extra nudge to do good. And others still need to believe there is a final punishment for those who have committed a sin so grievous even human laws bring no justice or peace. And some just need a reason to believe things are a certain way for a reason.

There are so many reasons why people believe in God, each one of them may be too personal for someone to share with others who they know will only scoff. I can't prove God exists to someone who doesn't want to believe, any more than they can prove God doesn't exist to someone who does want to believe.

Side: yes
lionard1122(74) Disputed
1 point

"Does logic and religion have to be mutually exclusive? Nope.", ok... if they dont show me the logic in religion

as far as i can see you are logical dispite your religion, not because of it...

Side: no
1 point

Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)And all at once. And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

Side: yes