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-__- nyes Nah dude
Debate Score:47
Arguments:38
Total Votes:49
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is a GOD rEALL???

Hey look my dudes just decide if I exist or not k 

-__- nyes

Side Score: 25
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Nah dude

Side Score: 22

The problem is that most atheists are atheist because they actually do not want God to exist. I have found that offering evidence actually tends to make them mad, rather than exstatic. Nevertheless, I present evidence...yet again.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

Side: -__- nyes
wisdumb(77) Disputed
2 points

Your evidence is weak in this one. Most athiests actually find evidence using their reason and not blindly following a book that someone told them (insert preferred god here) wrote. Nevertheless, I am still waiting on actual evidence and not bible quotes or somebody's 5th grade logic.

Side: Nah dude
3 points

Then look up James Gates and come back with a full report. I'll wait.

Side: -__- nyes
3 points

not blindly following a book that someone told them (insert preferred god here) wrote

1)No one believes "God wrote the Bible".

2)How many gods outside of hinduism are you suggesting are still around? 90% of the theist world claim "the god of Abraham".

Side: -__- nyes
3 points

Nevertheless, I am still waiting on actual evidence and not bible quotes

Then you'll happily hop over to my profile, find the links I have provided, and happily wonder if God exists.

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

Your evidence is weak in this one. Most athiests actually find evidence using their reason

Not really. I'm yet to find an Atheist who has debated me much, to this day, that didn't use a theoretical concept that they believe to be true in a debate somewhere, from quantum fields, to spontaneous generation, to time having been frozen before anything existed, to the theory of everything....

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

I am still waiting on actual evidence and not bible quotes

You must have not gotten far into the site. I proved beyond any doubt that the Bible described Allah and Islam to a "T", amongst other things...

Side: -__- nyes
jeffreyone(1137) Clarified
1 point

Your evidence is weak in this one. Most athiests actually find evidence using their reason

or the intelligence of the atheist is weak

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

I have also found that even when I present evidence right under the noses of Atheists, they turn it down. I also present some evidence that they usually just say is a jumbled up mix of nonsense but here we go...

The second law of thermodynamics says that when energy changes from one form to another form, or matter moves freely, entropy (disorder) increases. Apply that to your chemical soup, and you find that when all your chemicals are mixing together, they get more random instead of orderly.

Who's hoping for miracles, again?

In case you were thinking of the Infinite Monkey Theorem, let's calculate the chances of that. There is 1/26 of a chance that the monkeys will get the first letter right. Then there is 1/(26*26) chance they will get the second letter right, or twenty six to the second power. With every character going up one exponent, then it ends up 1/26 to the power of 3695990 of a chance. Some chromosomes have about two hundred million nucleotides. The chance of that coming from nothing is (because there are four types of nucleotides) 1/(4 to the power of 200000000) That's not to mention the second law of thermodynamics or the fact that nucleotides do not form by themselves. All of this put together would quite literally bring the probability down to nothing. Oh, and I just wanted to show you the numbers just so you could get the picture. In the link there are some scientists who agree with me.

Supporting Evidence: Royal Society Verdict (www.evolutionnews.org)
Side: -__- nyes
1 point

God is real, life would not be possible without him. The second law of thermodynamics says that when energy changes from one form to another form, or matter moves freely, entropy (disorder) increases. Apply that to your chemical soup, and you find that when all your chemicals are mixing together, they get more random instead of orderly.

Who's hoping for miracles, again?

In case you were thinking of the Infinite Monkey Theorem, let's calculate the chances of that. There is 1/26 of a chance that the monkeys will get the first letter right. Then there is 1/(26*26) chance they will get the second letter right, or twenty six to the second power. With every character going up one exponent, then it ends up 1/(26 to the power of 3695990) of a chance. Some chromosomes have about two hundred million nucleotides. The chance of that coming from nothing is (because there are four types of nucleotides) 1/(4 to the power 200000000) That's not to mention the second law of thermodynamics or the fact that nucleotides do not form by themselves. All of this put together would quite literally bring the probability down to nothing. Oh, and I just wanted to show you the numbers just so you could get the picture. There are some scientists who agree with me in the link.

Supporting Evidence: Royal Society Verdict (www.evolutionnews.org)
Side: -__- nyes
wisdumb(77) Disputed
1 point

I find that the second law of thermodynamics and entropy is being used often as evidence for a creator. I am not sure why. If you really look deeper at entropy, there is no reason why ordered systems cannot thrive in a universe with increasing entropy. In fact, that is what life does all the time. As long as the entropy outside the ordered system is increasing, the entropy within the system can decrease. So the 2nd law of thermodynamics at face value is not evidence that against spontaneous ordered systems, but rather in favor of it.

Also the Infinite Monkey Theorum only addresses half of the the drake equation. The other half calculates the size of the universe and how much potential "monkeys" there truly are. If there is a 1/26 chance of a monkey getting the first letter right, but there are 2600 monkeys, you have 100 times where the monkey gets it right. So that probability you calculated is actually smaller than the potential for it to happen.

The odds of us being the only advanced species on earth are small

Side: Nah dude
4 points

There's no compelling evidence to believe a god exists. ESPECIALLY not the bible. The burden of proof lies with the person claiming it exists. Or until God himself comes out from hiding.

Side: Nah dude
Antrim(999) Clarified
2 points

Yo-ho, peek-a-boo,come out, come out wherever you are.

....................................................................

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

He did. Did you miss the crucifixion in Atheism class.....

Side: -__- nyes
luckin(162) Clarified
1 point

While I do agree with you that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, you are the one making the claim that God doesn't exist or that that we can't trust the bible which means that the burden of proof is on you to prove that is the case. Its not our job to disprove your claims

Side: -__- nyes
wisdumb(77) Disputed
1 point

You do not understand burden of proof. If I say there is an invisible man standing next to you, you would say "How do I know that there is an invisible man there?" and I would have to give you some sort of evidence that it is true. I cant say "There is an invisible man next to you! Prove that he isn't there!" That doesn't work. There is no possible way to prove a negative.

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

ESPECIALLY not the bible

So Jesus predicting our current situation with detail isn't proof...

And the infinite regress of causality... isn't proof....

The Fermi paradox... isn't proof...

The double slit experiment... isn't proof...

James Gates and block linear dual self error correcting code..

Isn't proof...

Well... looks like my work is done here then......

Side: -__- nyes
2 points

I DONT EXIST cri pleZ SNED ME haLP!!!! (Non descript existential crryyyyiinnngnggggg)

Side: Nah dude
pizzakitty(38) Disputed
1 point

This does not relate to the argument. Why does it have two points???

Side: -__- nyes
2 points

So let me get this straight. There is an invisible person who sees everybody and is everywhere. He makes an entire universe full of wonders. But all of this is only to make the perfect conditions for a specific tiny animal on a tiny rock in the universe.

Even though he knows everything there is to know and exactly what will happen already, he decides each one of these creatures will play a game. If they follow the rules, they get to hang out with him forever and be happy. If they don't, they go to a place where they will be tortured forever. But it all depends on this small window of time (much like a trap in the saw movies except with eternal torture)

Now all of these people start out with the potential to be tortured by default with evil on their souls. The only way to fix this is to get a special person to pour water onto your head in a ceremony. He creates people with tendencies toward breaking the rules. He puts some people in worse situatuons than others. In fact, some people die before they have a chance to be in this world.

But its all part of the game.

The rules of the game were written on rocks on a mountain thousands of years ago and witnessed by one chosen person. These rocks are nowhere to be found today. But that's okay. There were also random people chosen at different times to write stories. There was also random people who got to pick which stories are the ones the invisible guy chose as the right ones. After that there were many people editing the stories into other languages and interpretations. Today, there are several versions of these stories. Hidden within them are the rules to the game. Mind you, the creatures must get this right or they will be tortured forever.

The invisible man used to talk to people all the time. He would tell them exactly what to do. But the better the people get at communication and documenting what he says, the less he appears to them. In fact, in a time where everybody could identify him beyond a doubt, he is nowhere to be found. They are supposed to use one of the books we discussed earlier to win the game.

But he loves all of them no matter what. Even the ones he sends to be tortured. In fact he loves them so much, he makes his own son as one of them, has him clarify and rewrite a few of the rules, and then has him tortured and killed even though he does nothing wrong. This somehow saves everyone, but not really because they still have to play the game.

Side: Nah dude
1 point

God doesn't exist. Instead of admitting that we dont know if there's a higher power in the universe, we tell ourselves that there's a magic power in the sky who watcher everyone and everything. For the sake of the argument let's say god does exist. Well if he does he's doing a pretty crappy job. How can he let children starve? How can he let wars and destruction happen? How can he let terrorism happen? How could he have let slavery happen? A god that let's this happen is a pretty crappy one.

Side: Nah dude
jeffreyone(1137) Clarified
1 point

" For the sake of the argument let's say god does exist. Well if he does he's doing a pretty crappy job. How can he let children starve? How can he let wars and destruction happen? How can he let terrorism happen? How could he have let slavery happen? A god that let's this happen is a pretty crappy one."

So you think we are already in heaven?

Then why aren't you asking God than us instead?

hint:

The world was in peace until sin.

Think the rest.

Side: -__- nyes
pizzakitty(38) Disputed
1 point

This is a difficult topic...

If he did not let all these things happen (all these things, by the way, are the devil's doing, not his), the everyone would know he existed. If everyone knew he was real, the choice to follow him would not be theirs, because they would just choose him in order not to go to hell. The choice would be to obvious, and we would not really choose him of our free will. He does not want to wreck the dignity he gave us through free will and intelligence.

Side: -__- nyes
Truth-Out(18) Disputed
1 point

This is a difficult topic because once you start to question the beliefs that people have followed throughout their entire lives, people seem to not want to listen. I think the devil is a made up idea that was created to defend the theory of god. 'You need to follow all of god's rules or else you're going to burn in hell forever' but god loves you. That's an oxymoron. Even if god is real, he has done no good on earth. Tens of millions of people of all regions have died in his name. What god would allow that. And doesn't it seem a coincidence that all religions need money? God is so great and powerful but he needs money.

Side: Nah dude
outlaw60(8861) Disputed
1 point

If God doesn't exist take that word to the Muslims and see how well it works out for you !

Side: -__- nyes
1 point

Of course god is not real. There is no scientific proof that "god" exists or ever did exist. The belief in god was a man made concept that ignorant people still fall for, because they are looking for something.

Side: Nah dude
1 point

Since there's no option for "maybe", I'll take this side.

The reason I will take this side is because a god that correlates with any specific holy text, and is exactly as described in that holy text, is probably nonexistent.

Most religions have a god or gods so I don't think it's impossible that people have drawn inspiration from something. It doesn't mean it's necessarily a supernatural entity, but it's not impossible.

This is why I'll take holy texts as a whole as a suggestion that there may be something, but I won't take individual holy books or mythologies as proof of that individual god.

Side: Nah dude
0 points

God is not real, at least I don't believe so.

There is a possibility that there is a higher power, I don't have the right to confirm that there isn't but I do have the right to say that I strongly do not believe in God.

When the Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians, they were devastated by death, insects, diseases, etc. which were all caused by God. However, there are NO records of this ever occurring in Egyptian texts (at least not yet). In addition, the purpose of God is to give mankind reassurance therefore it is extremely likely that someone created god to give people a form or reassurance since the whole "how the world started" is very stressful and mind boggling.

Therefore I must strongly believe that god is not real.

Side: Nah dude
BellaSmella(171) Disputed
1 point

However, there are NO records of this ever occurring in Egypt

Then atheists will need to start refraining from saying "The Jewish and Egyptian religions have things in common. Obviously one of them stole from the other..."

Side: -__- nyes