one man's loss is another man's gain

PrayerFails (10383) Disputed

1 point

This is under the assumption that if one man loses, then another man wins.

This is may be the case in games or sports, but not in life.

975 days ago | Side: False

mitgag (741) Disputed

1 point

This is under the assumption that if one man loses, then another man wins.yes that is true

This is may be the case in games or sports, but not in life.

I can't find any example to that;););)

974 days ago | Side: True

Thewayitis (2863)

1 point

It is sad but true. For one to prosper at a another's lost is truly a pathetic way to succeed. It takes no brains to take advantage of someone. It is like picking on a mentally handicapped person and bragging about it.

974 days ago | Side: True

protazoa (428) Disputed

2 points

I entirely agree that people can make gains by taking advantage of another man's gain.

However, being used is not the only that people suffer from loss.

If I were to die, at this very moment, I would like to think that nobody would gain anything from my untimely demise. However, I still would have lost my life.

Another situation is one where a person messed up, and many people actually suffer rather than gain. For instance, if I were to go to a hospital for surgery, and rather than insert the computer-brain interface chip I wanted (slightly tangential but it was the first thing that came to mind) and rather than be able to think at quantum speeds I suffered from sever headaches. Of course, I would sue the doctor, who did this to me. This would hurt the reputation of the hospital, the doctor, and even the procedure.

Who would gain in this situation?

926 days ago | Side: False

Thewayitis (2863) Disputed

1 point

If you were to die, there are several people that gain from this too. The funeral home would make money. Your job would be available. Apartment maybe available.

In the malpractice suit lawyers would gain. There is always someone that gains.

925 days ago | Side: True

http://debs.indstate.edu/n354v5_1919.pdf

protazoa (428) Disputed

1 point

You make a compelling case. However, consider this concept, known as "The Loss of One Is the Loss of All"

The gain of one may, temporarily, benefit another: but in the long run this is not true. The very nature of one mans loss to another mans gain is destructive to society. It is only through a cohesive society that any man truly gains.

Consider, for instance, the malpractice incident.

Initially, the lawyer may make money

However, the higher the incidents of malpractice increases, the less likely people are to undergo risky procedure even if they truly need it and therefore die of natural causes, not linked to the doctor.

The less likely people are to undergo risky procedure, the less likely people will die of doctor malpractice- dying instead by natural causes.

Less malpractice lawsuits, in the long run, harms the malpractice suit lawyer's livelihood.

Therefore, an increase in malpractice suits is not ALWAYS a gain for a lawyer.

Concerning the apartment home.

I live with my parents. do not judge me- I'm in high school (I find it odd that nobody seems to pick up on that).

As for the funeral home

My death would provide them with one catering oppurtunity.

but what of the large family of twenty children that I would have given birth to? In effect, by my untimely death they are losing 20 catering opportunities.

Therefore, it is only through mutual gain that society truly makes any steps forwards, despite the illusion of immediate gain, the loss of one is the loss of all.

I would highly recommend reading this article (search "the loss of one is the loss of all") as it gives a much fuller, though less specific,description of this philosophical theory.

925 days ago | Side: False

Thewayitis (2863) Disputed

1 point

I agree that this is not what is best for society, but it is what is happening. In a perfect world one would not strive for any gain from another persons lost, but the world is far from perfect. The only thing that matters is the short run, the long run is left for others to clean up the pieces.

925 days ago | Side: True

protazoa (428) Disputed

1 point

if I were to give you a dollar, then take away twenty dollars, did you just have a gain?

If people were dying out from plague, there would be no more people for the funeral homes to profit off of.

I will not disagree that one man's loss CAN be another man's gain. I simply say that it is not intrinsic

925 days ago | Side: False

Thewayitis (2863) Disputed

1 point

At sixteen you still have an image of the world as seen by Anne Frank, at 44 I know that all is not rosy. A lesson learned at the cost of her life.

925 days ago | Side: True

protazoa (428) Disputed

1 point

that is no way to dispel my argument that, over time, any loss will result only in loss. Perhaps 44 years was not enough for you to debate logically. I do not argue any sort of 'rosy' situation. I simply say that, in time, all negative effects produce only more negative effects. If you cannot bring any legitimate arguments then please refrain from appealing to any sense of superiority you may feel that you have simply because you are 44. Were this any sort of advantage for you, it would only be that much simpler to disprove the concept of "a loss of one is a loss of all"

925 days ago | Side: False

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jessald (1899)

2 points

That phrase describes a zero-sum game.

But real life is not a zero-sum game. Humans are all interconnected. We can create wealth, trade it fairly, and all end up better off. Once you understand this you can see that one man's loss is another man's loss and one man's gain is another man's gain.

974 days ago | Side: False

LibertyLife (186)

1 point

Life is not a zero sum game. If humans can connect though not collectively, but as individually, life for humanity can be better where all men can gain without strife.

974 days ago | Side: False

protazoa (428)

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its nice to know somebody else appreciates game theory.

Although some interactions may give the appearance of one +delta A= - delta B, in the end the interconnected society is truly a situation in which the loss of one is a loss of all.

I go into more detail in my reply to 'thewayitis'

925 days ago | Side: False

Sunset (2024)

2 points

not necessarily, I mean did they really lose? it all depends on what they claim the other person gained.

834 days ago | Side: False

jennalouise (12)

1 point

i dont think that if a man loses someone in his family than another man gets them as they will have passed away so how is this statement true

961 days ago | Side: False

mitgag (741) Disputed

2 points

I dont think that if a man loses someone in his family than another man gets them as they will have passed away so how is this statement truethey say when a person dies, or passes away, the soul continues to live and enters another body so as to give life to it. it is not scientifically true but still if we believe this statement then the person who has lost his/her family member, another man has gained a new family member, hasn't he?

927 days ago | Side: True