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race redefined as a weapon of mass destruction

Today we see supporters of voter id classified as racists. We see every black death commited by a non black person as hate crime even as far as labeling one as a "white Hispanic" simply to drive the argument of white people are racist. Today we see a police force under attack as a hole for a very few that have commited crimes based on race, and as a result there are now battles to disarm the police force. Today we see those that hire a white person over a black person as an obvious racists. Today we hear everwhere in the news whites are racist. Today we hear about black churches burning. White are racist? or a very small group of extremist groups at work? So what the goal of this baiting. is it merley liberals vying for the black vote? Is it something more sinister? Either way with noone trying to stop it its clearly headed for a massive explosion, and with all the guns on the streets today it will be bloody unless we stop it. I say it get easily stopped in the media start reporting on the thousands of stories about white people and black people living together and working together which i have seen alot with my own eyes. Stop giving an ear to race baiting poloticians. 

Racism is barley alive in this country, but its used as a weapon to destroy the tremendous gains we as a country have made just so some liberal democrat can get your vote to gain power.

      

 

 

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Today we see supporters of voter id classified as racists.

There is no evidence of voter fraud. Voter id would hurt minorities. It seems like only racists would want that.

We see every black death commited by a non black person as hate crime

It turns out we also see blacks killing whites as a hate crime.

even as far as labeling one as a "white Hispanic" simply to drive the argument of white people are racist.

Yeah, that was really stupid. I will give you that one.

Today we see a police force under attack as a hole for a very few that have commited crimes based on race, and as a result there are now battles to disarm the police force.

The police have killed more people this year than they have in any single year for the last 100 years and July just started. This one is looking justified.

Today we see those that hire a white person over a black person as an obvious racists.

I don't think that is true as much as you believe.

Today we hear everwhere in the news whites are racist.

Not everywhere. I go weeks without seeing whites called racists on the news.

Today we hear about black churches burning. White are racist? or a very small group of extremist groups at work?

Considered racist extremist, not all whites.

So what the goal of this baiting. is it merley liberals vying for the black vote?

It is conservatives lying about liberals.

Is it s Either way with noone trying to stop it its clearly headed for a massive explosion, and with all the guns on the streets today it will be bloody unless we stop it. I say it get easily stopped in the media start reporting on the thousands of stories about white people and black people living together and working together which i have seen alot with my own eyes.

No, the news covered a white racist killing a bunch of black people and there were no riots. Had nothing to do with the media.

Harvard(666) Disputed
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Yeah, that was really stupid. I will give you that one.

That isn't stupid as Hispanic is a culture comprised of different races, both yours and his statements were really stupid...

It turns out we also see blacks killing whites as a hate crime.

Not necessarily "hate" rather a source of justice, though an ineffective one. Some blacks only have bad views on whites because they already preconceive [the whites] as hating them. Whites have bad views on blacks for prejudice reasons such as being violent, or poor.

I don't think that is true as much as you believe.

Even with the amount of evidence supporting his claim?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Boy are you dumb.

That isn't stupid as Hispanic is a culture comprised of different races, both yours and his statements were really stupid...

I have never seen anyone else referred to as a white Hispanic. It was stupid to make up a term for this one guy.

ot necessarily "hate" rather a source of justice, though an ineffective one

Regardless of how great a source of justice you think it is, you can't argue against what it is actually called.

Some blacks only have bad views on whites because they already preconceive [the whites] as hating them. Whites have bad views on blacks for prejudice reasons such as being violent, or poor.

Both are prejudice. And irrelevant.

 with the amount of evidence supporting his claim?

With zero evidence presented to support him why would I think anything differently? Show me the evidence, I would like to see what he is talking about.

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Today we see supporters of voter id classified as racists.

The justifications used for passing these laws do not have merit. Of course, lack of justification alone does not equate to racism. It appears racist when we note the disproportionate effect towards certain minorities.

We see every black death commited by a non black person as hate crime

No. Hate crimes constitute a small percentage of total interracial crime. Unless if you can refute the FBI's report with actual data, I have no clue why you believe "every black death commited by a non black person as hate crime".

even as far as labeling one as a "white Hispanic" simply to drive the argument of white people are racist.

Hispanics can be white, black, whatever. You should look up what the word means.

Today we see a police force under attack as a hole for a very few that have commited crimes based on race, and as a result there are now battles to disarm the police force.

1) Institutionalized racism is a separate issue from the militarization of police.

2) Define "very few". Maybe with a percentage.

Today we see those that hire a white person over a black person as an obvious racists.

Only if the white person was less qualified/experienced/etc.

Too lazy to refute rest. Do it yourself.

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Voter id is not about black people, thats the thing!! its always been about illegal immigrants and is proposed as a way to preserve the RIGHT to vote for the citizens of the US. Not racism Its common sense. I mean you have to prove your age to buy things, you have to prove your address to get a bank account, you have to prove your name to get a credit card, but you dont have to prove your a citizen of the US to vote for the very people that make our laws and and protect our rights. That just make no sense. So thats what Liberals do they call those that support it racist as a way to keep that latino vote and at the same time the african american vote as well even though its not about them.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Voter id is not about black people, thats the thing!!

Your so racist you think that any discussion of race only has to do with black people. Just kidding.

but you dont have to prove your a citizen of the US to vote for the very people that make our laws and and protect our rights.

Yes, it makes perfect sense, but it won't help. Voter ID laws are expected to prevent almost 0 fraudulent votes. There is no inkling that fraudulent voting is occurring. Voter ID laws are expected to prevent a whole bunch of valid minority votes. Given these parameters, it sounds like a solely racist law.

flewk(1193) Clarified
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Voter id is not about black people, thats the thing!! its always been about illegal immigrants and is proposed as a way to preserve the RIGHT to vote for the citizens of the US. Not racism Its common sense. I mean you have to prove your age to buy things, you have to prove your address to get a bank account, you have to prove your name to get a credit card, but you dont have to prove your a citizen of the US to vote for the very people that make our laws and and protect our rights.

I am guessing you have never registered to vote (which is kind of weird since you are complaining about voter fraud).

Registering to vote already requires identification and proof of citizenship (through matching of name and SSI). I am pretty sure all 50 states require citizenship for national elections.

I know certain municipalities allow non-citizens to vote in local elections, but I am guessing you do not know or care about that.

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Voter id is not about black people, thats the thing!! its always been about illegal immigrants and is proposed as a way to preserve the RIGHT to vote for the citizens of the US.

But there is no actual issue of voter fraud with illegal immigrants, so to claim that is the purpose seems a bit strange. It's a solution without a problem, but it has very real effects on a different group that, coincidentally, vote Democratic.

So thats what Liberals do they call those that support it racist as a way to keep that latino vote and at the same time the african american vote as well even though its not about them.

And yet it only affects them. You are so eager and willing to accuse the Democratic Party of cynical race baiting, you seriously can't imagine the Republicans doing essentially the same thing, albeit with different methods?

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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To my knowledge, the evidence supporting the notion that people won't be able to vote as a result of is laws is as lacking as the notion that fraud is problematic.

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For this debate to be worth much we would not only need evidence indicating some amount of voter fraud, but also evidence that there are these people who don't have any identification but would be inclined to vote.

I'm not sure either exists.

Harvard(666) Disputed
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So why then do you consider the other debate about my alleged 'voting fraud' worth something when there is clearly a lack of evidence supporting the allegation?

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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There is evidence that's already been discussed. There's just no clear or conclusive evidence. Whether or not you are up-voting yourself is of no consequence to public policy or really anything else. It's just a curiosity. Odd behavior is always of some interest.

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As you can see there are some who ignore your idea and focus instead on some word or phrase in your statement, that they can argue with. Your message is lost on these who would act as trolls. Give them no regard unless they speak to your point.

Charleston is a shining example of your point. Blacks were slaughtered in a church by a white racist. The city could have descended into riots and destruction. Al Sharpton got ready to come and stir the pot of outrage.

When the good people of Charleston reacted with grief and forgiveness, Al canceled his visit, the media had to report the real story, Americans of every sort joined in their mourning. This is the path away from racism.

flewk(1193) Clarified
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Charleston was the act of one person.

Events in Ferguson or Baltimore were considered acts of an institution, one that was created in order to protect and serve. People in democracies tend to protest against these types of things.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Can you provide an example from Baltimore our Ferguson that shows the media didn't cover the real story?

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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I don't have a ready example, but you didn't notice the stark contrast in what details were reported depending on which outlet you viewed?

daver(1771) Disputed
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In both cases the media focused on the rioters to the near total exclusion of everything else that was happening in the community. Soooooo

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If someone addressed every point they make, are they really ignoring his idea? I fail to see how that is acting like trolls.

daver(1771) Clarified
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Cartman and Flewk and you GN never bothered to comment on the point the OP made about the media fanning the flames. Instead arguing with nearly every example leading to the point. Hmmmmmm

Today we see supporters of voter id classified as racists

It is hard to see the motivation as anything else much of the time. There is no actual issue of voter fraud in this country, and there is a very real threat of voter disenfranchisement that only exclusively would effect racial minorities. Kinda hard to see this issue as being something other than racially motivated.

We see every black death commited by a non black person as hate crime even as far as labeling one as a "white Hispanic" simply to drive the argument of white people are racist.

Nowhere near every "black death committed by a non block person" is a hate crime. Not even close. Additionally, the term "White Hispanic" is a term that has been used for a while to denote individuals who are in fact of Latino ancestry but identify as being white.

Today we see a police force under attack as a hole for a very few that have commited crimes based on race, and as a result there are now battles to disarm the police force.

The Untied States Police Force disproportionately kills black citizens, they disproportionately abuse black citizens, they disproportionately arrest black citizens (all for the same crimes, I must say), and you are outraged by the fact that people are starting to catch on? As for disarming the police, the U.S. police force has become increasingly militarized due to the acquisition of army-surplus goods, leading to an incredibly scary usage of things such as armored vehicles, military grade rifles and explosives, and a massive increase in SWAT raids. The police are becoming militarized, and it is coinciding with an increase in police brutality and use of excessive force, and not just against black citizens.

Today we see those that hire a white person over a black person as an obvious racists.

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/06/weekinreview/06Luo.html?_r=0

Read those three links and you will start to understand why.

Today we hear everwhere in the news whites are racist.

No, we hear that some are. Why do you feel personally attacked because some other people are called racists?

Today we hear about black churches burning

That's because they are being burned.

White are racist? or a very small group of extremist groups at work?

Some of us are racist, some aren't. But there is very real, very serious underlying racism at play in society.

So what the goal of this baiting. is it merley liberals vying for the black vote?

It is neither. It is important to constantly strive towards ending racism in society, and that is something that many people take as a personal attack.

Is it something more sinister?

What are you implying?

Either way with noone trying to stop it its clearly headed for a massive explosion

The only aspect of this which is "headed for a massive explosion" would be the police aspect of it, which I agree very well might if they don't get their st together.

I say it get easily stopped in the media start reporting on the thousands of stories about white people and black people living together and working together which i have seen alot with my own eyes.

They won't because that doesn't get ratings. Our media is controversy driven, because we as a society only seem to watch if there is controversy involved.

Racism is barley alive in this country,

That is not true at all. It is incredibly easy for Caucasians like you and me to think that, but even though racism in this country is not as bad as it was (kind of a low standard), it is still alive and well today.

but its used as a weapon to destroy the tremendous gains we as a country have made just so some liberal democrat can get your vote to gain power.

It is not destroying any gains. Recognizing the existence of racism is something that is used to further the social gains we have made as a country, and it has nothing to do with "liberals" or "Democrats".

daver(1771) Disputed
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Fanning the flames of race riots is not a service to any community and does little to preserve the gains that have been made. Due in large part to media coverage, rioting looting an violence was spread to cities across the nation. Soooooo

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Fanning the flames of race riots is not a service to any community and does little to preserve the gains that have been made.

The overwhelming majority of what our news media does isn't a service to any community. They are all about ratings, and thus cover and create controversy.

Due in large part to media coverage, rioting looting an violence was spread to cities across the nation. Soooooo

So long as the actual issue is resolved, more riots will occur. Whether you believe the rioting was justified (fairly sure neither of us do), it will continue so long as the black community is disproportionately abused, arrested, and borderline persecuted by law enforcement. Since our media is what it is (and isn't going to change any time soon thanks in large part to us as a society), they will continue to cover and inflame controversy. They do that for this, they do that for everything.

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What did they do to fan the flames? Maybe I am missing something

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All the diversionary anti-white rhetoric in the world will never make ''The Bongo'' a more clever, high achieving race. Where are the Bongo multi-national corporations? Where are the Bongo financial institutions? Where are the Bongo inventions and discoveries which go to benefit all of mankind? Where are the successful Bongo Nations? Which would you rather be, a Bongo living in the U.S.A, or a white person living in any of the many open air asylums which go to make up the continent of Africa? Try as some people will, to put up a smoke screen to mask the truth, there's no getting away from the fact that you can't make a silk purse from a pig's ear.