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abortion should be banned abortion should not be banned
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should abortion be banned

abortion should be banned

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abortion should not be banned

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9 points

There is only one question when it comes to abortion, what is it? If it is a human being then it requires a very high level of justification to take it's life. I have simply seen no argument that comes close to proper justification for the taking the life of a innocent human being. The only arguments I have seen are those that try to take away the embryo's humanity and make it less than human.

Roe vs Wade was a very poor decision by the Supreme Court because it introduce a major contradiction in the law. The unjustified taking of a human life is considered murder under current law and we have different degrees to further define it.

Consider the fact that if you kill a woman with child; you will be charged for two counts of homicide. But if a doctor kills only one of those persons; no charge.

The Supreme Court by their ruling overturned the law they were supposed to uphold. The right thing to do would be to overturn this erroneous ruling and restore our rule of law.

Side: abortion should be banned
7 points

Brilliant. That's it. Abortion is WRONG, and I don't know why some people can't get it through their thick skulls. Hmmm if you were a baby and were going to be born and you were aborted, you probably would care.

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
4 points

"if you were a baby, were going to be born and were aborted, you probably would care" this statement is all about "if". In reality, the fetus has no mental capacity to care about anything. Before it could survive outside of the mother's womb, it should be entirely the mother's choice, not society's. I believe this is about 20 weeks into the pregnancy.

Side: abortion should not be banned
DaWolfman(3319) Disputed
2 points

Hmmm if you were a baby and were going to be born and you were aborted, you probably would care.

We wouldn't care. We couldn't.

As a fetus the natural drive humans have for survival really isn't there. The mental capacity just wouldn't exist to care.

Side: abortion should not be banned
kayred(14) Disputed
1 point

lol, yes I probably would care if I could care. I think your missing the point. Nobody wants to abort a baby for the sake of doing it. These are personal choices which are not easy. its a personal choice, thats the beauty of freedom, I can make my OWN decisions about my OWN body.

Side: abortion should not be banned
JessicaNymph(7) Disputed
7 points

"I have simply seen no argument that comes close to proper justification for the taking the life of a innocent human being."

So a thirteen year old girl gets raped, and you're saying that the govenrment have the right to force that girl to keep her unwanted baby? I would imagine the girl would never really bond with her baby, and the child would have to grow up knowing of its conception and live with the knowledge that it was not wanted. Surely that is justification enough? That is not a life anyone would want, and surely aborting that baby in its early stages of development would be the better thing to do.

Also, think of the number of children that would end up in care if abortion was banned. There are enough of them already, the banning of abortion would most definately increase this number, and the more children in care, the lower the quality would become. Where would they get the money to look after so many children? Our taxes? It would get rediculous, and there would be a lot of children out there wishing they had never been born.

I do realise that there are problems with abortion, for example, the amount of people who have unsafe sex because they know they can either take the morning after pill or have an abortion is rediculous. But, I'd like to know that if the contraception i was using didn't work and I fell pregnant through no fault of my own, I would be very happy that I have the option to have an abortion.

Also, when do you begin to class a fetus as a human? I personally would not think of it as a human untill about 12 weeks. It doesnt even enter the fetal stage untill the 11th week, surely abortion before this stage is not inhumane?

If there was a contraception out there that was 100% effective, then this would be a more valid arguement. I'm young, and have dreams and aspirations that I could never fulfill if I became pregnant. If contraception can't garrentee that i won't get pregnant, I definately want the choice to have an abortion if i needed one.

You're view seems to be very black and white, and you seem to dismiss the huge grey area that exists. Abortion exists for a reason and should not be banned

Side: abortion should not be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
8 points

To your first point:

What you are arguing for is the view known in German as; Lebensunwertes Leben or The Life Unworthy of Life. This was the philosophy that drove the Holocaust of Nazi Germany and the one currently underway here in America. To learn more about this follow this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_unworthy_of_life

Why do I say this? Because you take a class of humans and then give reasons ( very poor ones) of why they should not be allowed to live.

In Nazi Germany they said; This human should not live because of X. And you say that this human should not live because of X. There is a direct correlation here and I hope you see it. When you get a chance also pick up the book From Darwin to Hitler by Dr. Richard Weikart

Now to your question of when do you begin to class a fetus as a human?

At the moment of conception. Because at that point you now have a complete and distinct human DNA in the cell. There is no way around this; humans produce humans and dogs produce dogs.

About a contraception that is 100% effective every time. It's known as abstinence. Practice it faithfully and you will never get pregnant or an STD. Fail to practice it and pay the price with your life and possibly that of your child's.

And if you do have an unwanted pregnancy, Please consider adoption. Did you know that 1 out of every 6 couples are infertile. Do the math, that's a lot of couples who want to have children and can't. And I'm one of them. It cost me 14,000 dollars to have my daughter and it tears me up inside to know that some parents just discard their children like trash. There are thousands of us out here who are screaming; please don't kill it, we'll take it. You'd also be surprised to know the high number of Americans who adopt from over seas; and why do they? There aren't enough children to be adopted here because of abortion.

You noted well that I see this issue as black and white. It's called moral clarity. When looking at evil I call it as it is; evil.

Final thought: Were you ever a fetus? Because if you were, Then you have to acknowledge that if your mother would have had an abortion it would have ended your life, not something else, but your life. Think about that and look at it real hard because that's what abortion does; it ends the life of a human being in the early stages of development.

And if you were born after 1972, I challenge you to consider yourself a Survivor of the Abortion Holocaust. 1/3 of your generation has been killed by abortion in America!

http://www.survivors.la/

Side: abortion should be banned
Safiya(152) Disputed
2 points

The baby did not ask that man to rape you the baby is innocent and has nothing to do with the bastard that did that to the person..I have a friend who was raped and kept her baby and loves that baby to death. How heartless can you be to hold what their biological father did against them? How would you feel if your mother had you young the guy left her and she blamed her miserable life on you. Another thing it doesn't matter if it's one day old it's still life because if you were ten weeks pregnant and had a miscarriage you wouldn't say o well it wasn't even a baby yet you would still cry because your baby died

Side: abortion should be banned
RogueCaptain(19) Disputed
2 points

Mother like or not tend to grow attached when they have their babies. If they have doubs befor giving birth, they will be gone afterwards.

Side: abortion should be banned
thegaylib(3) Disputed
1 point

First of all bitch, where are you getting your information from theirs not even any statistics just theories that you pulled out of your unwashed ass. My brother's girlfriend was concepted from rape and she is the happiest girl alive she was adopted and she doesn't give a crap about how she was unwanted because guess what bitch she was wanted by her adoptive parents.

Next thing the number of children in care what do you mean adoption because they are cared for a lot and actually a lot of kids are placed into foster care nowadays so a family can pay for them guess what no taxes for you ya cheapskate. And you wanna play the tax card how about the fact that money from my pay check is going to pay for some broads healthcare for her abortion yow, that's a lot of dough out of mine and yours taxes.

And yes I'm so glad that you get that so many people are having unsafe sex but that doesn't have anything to do with the problems of abortion what about the fact that a

woman can experience

Heavy or persistent bleeding

Infection or sepsis

Damage to the cervix

Scarring of the uterine lining

Perforation of the uterus

Damage to other organs

Death

and not to mention the psychological pain the woman has after the abortion having just killed her baby.

also I have an idea on another option you can have the baby and give it up for adoption so many families that physically can't have babies would love to take care of your child. And another option is not to have sex even with a condom and the morning after pill and actually only 2% of people use that stuff and still end up with a pregnancy so the rest of the young girls had unprotected sex and got pregnant and aborted the baby.

And actually the baby starts to have a heart beat at 6 weeks which means it is more than just a fetus lady, it's alive. One question when they anounced one-cell organisms on Mars what did you do? You probably cheered that's cool life on mars, but when you get pregnant you don't scream yay life in my stomach.

Next that's good that you're young and have dreams, I do to but actually most colleges and businesses have things available for mothers, it is illegal for any place to fie you or base their decision off you because of your pregnancy so most likely if you don't get a a job it's not because of your baby bump hunny it's because you're probably the worst applicant that person has seen.

Next, there is a 100% effective contraception it's abortion but the ethics of it are not right murdering an innocent life. What's next taking the babies life when it's 9 months or maybe at 8 years old it's a parents choice to kill their child if their under 18 then next thin you know it's a persons choice if they wanna kill.

An lastly my view is not black and white I'm very indifferent on this I know it's a woman's choice, and I have not found an argument about what to do if the baby is going to kill the mother on the way out all I can say is that rarely happens nowadays with our medical technology and there's always c-section.

And yes abortion does exist for a reason to give women a way out of ending a struggle they selfishly don't want to face. Now I do know there is nothing we can do to illegalize abortion but I will continue to give the following information and warn people against it.

Now I won't blow up planned parenthood because I agree with planned parenthood, and I wont do anything extreme but if any girl ever came to me I would tell them everything I just said in a nicer way and tell them that it's their choice cause it is their choice. But you will always be murdering something when get a abortion and I hope you can live with that.

Side: abortion should be banned
Houston(186) Disputed
1 point

Technically speaking, a fetus is not a human yet. Having an abortion is similar to wearing a condom. No baby is made, yet intercourse still happens.

Side: abortion should not be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
6 points

A fetus is a stage of development. The genes are what determines what kind of fetus it is. So when a human being has an abortion she takes the life of a human fetus, not the fetus of a dog or cat, a human fetus. About the condom. Using a condom is what you do before fertilization to try and prevent fertilization. An abortion is what you do after fertilization has occurred to stop further growth of the product of fertilization. And when done on humans it ends the life of a human in the early stages of development. Them are the facts; abortions on humans ends the life of a human, using condoms prevents the fertilization of the human sperm and egg.

Side: abortion should be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
2 points

No, you are simply mistaken. A fetus is a stage of development in the life span of an animal. We happen to be talking about the life of a human and nothing else.

Side: abortion should be banned
FearDaTurtle(9) Disputed
2 points

What is a fetus then? A dog? An alien? Last time I checked humans create humans!

Side: abortion should be banned
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

Please tell me your parents were refunded their money with interest and an apology after your graduated.

Side: abortion should be banned
ChanceyPants(5) Disputed
1 point

You are incorrect in stating, "if you kill a woman with child; you will be charged for two counts of homicide." You would only be charged with two counts of homicide if the prosecution can prove the baby could have survived outside of the womb. If a doctor were to provide an abortion after 24 weeks, he or she would also be charged with homicide (unless the baby would not have been viable or was a threat to the health of the mother).

Side: abortion should not be banned
Chuz-Life(497) Disputed
1 point

In the United States, The 'Unborn Victims of Violence Act' makes it a crime of murder to kill a child in the womb at any stage of their development while in the womb.

The law (for now) makes an exception to keep abortions legal but the legal premise has been established.

A child in the womb is a child (person) and their killer can be charged with murder for their killing.

Supporting Evidence: U.S. Code - Unborn Victims of Violence Act (news.findlaw.com)
Side: abortion should be banned
noah364(3) Disputed
1 point

You assume that an unconscious collection of cells is a human being. If I scratch my arm, that should be considered murder under your logic. After all, I am killing human cells.

We cannot treat something as something else just because it has the potential to become that something else. We cannot treat a baby as a kindergartner, a kindergartner as a teenager, a teenager as an adult, or me as the President of the United States.

And we can't treat a fetus as a baby.

Side: abortion should not be banned
aykhalid01(1) Clarified
1 point

First of all , let me clear you one thing that everyone has got a freedom of choice , right? and if the other person is willing to do ? so

Side: abortion should be banned
Prevaricate(57) Disputed
-1 points

attn Jstantall:

so why did Bush change the law when he had a Republican Congress and receptive Federal judges ???

you can't blame this on limp Democrats or socialist liberals

Side: abortion should not be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
3 points

Well, if you have a lame duck congress who stonewalls him on everything; I think it would be reasonable to blame them.

But that's not the question at hand is it? The question is; what is being killed in an abortion? that's the only one that matters.

Side: abortion should be banned
wolfbite(431) Disputed
0 points

He tried to fight abortion, the double homicide law was put in place when he was in office.

The problem with the Roe vs Wade ruling is that in order for it to be overturned the Supreme Court must take action because of checks and balances. So people can protest to Congress and the President all they want, but unless the courts take action it won't matter.

Side: Both sides are self-righteous assholes
atypican(4873) Disputed
-1 points

There is only one question when it comes to abortion, what is it?

There are more questions than that.. sorry

If it is a human being then it requires a very high level of justification to take it's life.

So you admit that there are some cases where it is justifiable. The next question then is who gets to decide? Should it be society at large via established government institutions or should it be a private matter left to the sovereignty of the family unit and those health care professionals they consult?

Side: abortion should not be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
3 points

Let me clarify my position, since I misstated it. The first question that needs to be asked is " what kind of life is it?" If it is a human life then no reason for abortion is adequate. Therefore no further questions are needed.

I find it rather disturbing that we want to have sex without commitments so badly that we are willing to kill the result of that sexual union.

But isn't that just like human nature, everything is just fine until something conflicts with what we want and stands between us and what we desire. Then laws get broke, peace treaties ignored, property taken and people killed. But the most heinous crime is when we make laws to exonerate ourselves. When we call evil, good. We may be guiltless before the law but that doesn't mean we are not without real quilt. But praise be to God that He has provided a solution to the two greatest problems man faces, guilt and death. With God there is forgiveness, but not without great cost.

Side: abortion should be banned
4 points

I'd like to take the time to address several tings that have been raised in this debate and clarify my argument against abortion.

First, the affect this debate has on women who have had abortions. This reality has weighed heavily on my conscience. But I think a greater issue is at stake here and therefore the cost is worth it. The greater good that is being served here is the hope that abortion on demand might someday be ended and that the emotional trauma it causes to women will be ended also.

The holocaust of abortion will not be ended until people see and know the reality of what it is. It has been stunning to see through the course of this debate the lengths people will go to so as to sugar coat this issue and make it appear not so bad; and actually justifiable. So my effort is to make that know as best I can. But the truth is that when women, who have had abortions, come to a correct understanding of what has happened there is real pain and real quilt; and that certainly is not to be dismissed. So for those who have had abortions I say there is a way out of the pain and quilt; true forgiveness is possible. There is only one way out and that is through the great exchange; God in Christ takes your life and He gives you His. When He died, you died and the charges against you are paid in full, the debt is canceled. Then the life of perfection He lived becomes yours; it is laid to your account. So you go from an infinity negative debt to an infinity positive righteousness. And through His resurrection you are raised to newness of life.

This is only possible through repentance and faith. Confess your sins and trust God to do for you what he said He would in Christ. This faith is not a leap in the dark, like crossing your fingers. It is an active trust, like standing on solid ground; a confident expectation in the faithfulness of God.

With that said I would like to clarify my argument against abortion further and answer the question should abortion be banned. But let me preface my argument with a disclaimer. I realize there is a difference between proof and persuasion. There is no argument that I can put forth that can't be disputed. There are actually people who will argue for the reality of square circles. So I put this argument forth for those who are truly open-minded; in hopes you will be persuaded.

The taking of the life of an innocent human being without proper justification is murder and murder is illegal.

Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification. therefore it is murder and should be illegal

Side: abortion should be banned
3 points

I should further say to disprove this argument you have to falsify it's key premise and that is: abortion takes the life of an innocent human being That' why this whole debate hinges on one key question: What is it? And genetically it is human. It has it's own unique and complete chromosome which makes it distinct from it's parents and wholly different from the egg and sperm used to create it.

Since this syllogism is sound and it's premises are verifiable you will have to resort to irrationality and unscientific assertions to disprove it.

Side: abortion should be banned
atypican(4873) Disputed
1 point

I will take the bait for fun.

I assume (unless you refute it explicitly) you agree that there are somecases where abortion is merited or "medically necessary"

Who is the proper authority for determining medical necessity?

expected answer from you (according to the way I think you think):Government

Answer I would give: The doctor and those consulted by the pregnant woman.

Abortion is not banned. The murder of the unborn is illegal and punishable as murder. Abortion is not murder if you admit that it is ever done by medical necessity and without malicious intent.

since this argument is flawless, all who disagree are just plain old sloppy thinkers ~sarcastic snicker

Side: abortion should not be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Until at least week 20 of its development, the fetus has not been proven to be able to survive outside of the mother's womb. Since society can't keep it alive, it's the mother's choice. Plain and simple.

My point: Until the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb, it's like any other living organ inside of her and is only a POTENTIAL life, not ACTUAL life. Potential life is any stage from an independent sperm/egg to week 20 of fetal development.

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

During the Holocaust, approximately 11 million people were killed between 1933 till 1945. These people include Jews, homosexuals, Slavics (Russians, Poles, and others), Gypsies, mentally and physically disabled, Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christians found helping the targeted people. That was fifty years ago and today Hitler and the Nazis are known as criminals and mass murderers. But why are the doctors who perform abortions not called criminals or mass murderers? From 1973 to 2005, over 46 million abortions have been performed. This is much higher death rate than from the Holocaust. For abortion the approximate death rate is 1.4 million babies each year. The approximate death rate for the Holocaust, however, is about 917 thousand people a year. The Nazis targeted the people they did because they believed they were inferior to themselves. Women who have abortions kill their babies because they believe that they are superior to these children. To this day, Germans have collective shame because of what the Nazis did, even though they did nothing to help. In fifty years will Americans have collective shame because so many abortions were performed? Will Americans be known as mass murderers and criminals?

The subject of abortion and the Holocaust are very closely related subjects. The Jews were killed because they were unwanted and inconvenient. A child is aborted because they are unwanted and inconvenient. I want you to tell me the Holocaust was wrong and then tell me abortion is okay. You just can't do that. One can't be wrong and the other right. That is like saying rape is wrong but incest is okay.

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Abortion before the fetus can actually survive outside of the mother's womb is not the same as killing Jews or mentally or physically sick people. The fetus before it can survive outside the womb is only a POTENTIAL life, which fall into the same category as an independent egg or sperm and anything else in between.

Side: abortion should not be banned
Houston(186) Disputed
1 point

Having an abortion is just as "unethical" as swatting a fly, if not less. The fetus cannot survive on it's own, it is not a human yet. The fly can survive on it's own. Thus, I find it more "unethical" to kill a fly than have an abortion.

Side: abortion should not be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Religion can't be your argument, since it hinges on what people believe and some believe in choice.

When you say "women", you generalize and include all females, but some women, again, prefer a choice.

I've said it plenty of times and I'll say it again, a fetus before it can survive outside of the mother's womb is a POTENTIAL life, which is the same as an independent egg or sperm and anything else in between.

Side: abortion should not be banned
kayred(14) Disputed
1 point

"Abortion takes the life of an innocent human being without proper justification. therefore it is murder and should be illegal."

And what exactly is your idea of proper justification? I meen because that varies with people, and one persons idea of it is more than likely diff from your own. And incase you havnt noticed yet many people do not believe in your faith or your God, and many people dont believe in any God at all. Your personal beliefs are your personal beliefs and though many people dont agree with them, your still entitled to have them.

Side: abortion should not be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
0 points

Quoting god is not how you're going to win arguments. I actually respect what you believe, but I ask that you also respect what I believe. I believe that women should have the choice.

Side: abortion should not be banned
3 points

come to think of it...

Many childern have been killed due to abortion.

But if you had given them a chance to live, then they would have proved worthwhile to live!

Just think how many masterminds have been killed before birth?

If they had lived, may be they would have made their world a peaceful heaven!!

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Many of the aborted fetus may have also grown up to be rapists, serial murders, terrorists, armed robbers... but since they were only potentials and not actual... then there's nothing more to add.

Side: abortion should not be banned
2 points

Abortion should definetly be banned! Their is a lot of things to prevent pregnancies such as condoms, birth control and getting your tubes tied! If you know you are not old enough or financially stable to take care of a child then don't have sex, just use protection. Don't just look for the easy way out because of your mistake! i don't get how if you kill somebody then you get charged for murder, and spend the rest of your life in prison....when on the other hand having an abortion is murdering a baby. To me that doesnt make any sense...and some people say but what if the person got raped and ended up pregnant.....well you can give it up for adoption, i feel that women who have abortions are selfish and are only thinking about themselves. They really don't care about what the baby goes through and that is completely wrong!

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

The "baby" is not yet a baby. It's only a POTENTIAL life and not an ACTUAL life. So you're not killing a baby. If it can't survive outside of the womb yet, then it's not actually anyone else's choice but the mother's. Noone else can keep it alive, then they should butt out and leave it up to the mothers. If she wants to put it up for adoption, great!, If not, it's her choice since she is the one that has to keep it alive inside her.

Side: abortion should not be banned
2 points

100% i think its wrong! I am not religious, but who has the right to take a life? Isn't that the very reason Murderer's are punished?

If a person really can't have a child because they aren't ready, or any other reason, then surly it is fairer to still give that life a chance and put the baby up for adoption to a family who is desperate for a baby and can't have one for themselves?

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

If you take a life you should be punished. But before the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb, it's not yet a life, it's only a POTENTIAL life, like an egg or sperm, that's all.

Side: abortion should not be banned
2 points

“For You created my inmost being;You knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise You because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from You when I was made in a secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.” Psalm 139:13-16. God created you, He created me, and He has created everybody. Life is a gift. Nobody has a right to take away that gift. Life starts at conception. Mother Teresa said "What is taking place in America is a war against the child … And if we accept that the mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another." This war against the child is abortion. If I tell a pregnant woman she can kill her baby, why can't I tell a man that it is alright to murder a three year-old. What is the difference between killing a baby nine weeks after conception and murdering a child nine weeks after birth?

During the Holocaust, approximately 11 million people were killed between 1933 till 1945. These people include Jews, homosexuals, Slavics (Russians, Poles, and others), Gypsies, mentally and physically disabled, Communists, Socialists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Christians found helping the targeted people. That was fifty years ago and today Hitler and the Nazis are known as criminals and mass murderers. But why are the doctors who perform abortions not called criminals or mass murderers? From 1973 to 2005, over 46 million abortions have been performed. This is much higher death rate than from the Holocaust. For abortion the approximate death rate is 1.4 million babies each year. The approximate death rate for the Holocaust, however, is about 917 thousand people a year. The Nazis targeted the people they did because they believed they were inferior to themselves. Women who have abortions kill their babies because they believe that they are superior to these children. To this day, Germans have collective shame because of what the Nazis did, even though they did nothing to help. In fifty years will Americans have collective shame because so many abortions were performed? Will Americans be known as mass murderers and criminals?

Dr. Richard Land, president of The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission,said "We lose more babies through abortion every year than the total fatalities in all of the wars in which we have ever participated, commencing with the French and Indian War and including the Revolutionary War, the War of 1812, the Civil War, the Spanish-American War, World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, and Gulf War II.” In 2005 1.2 million abortions were performed. Even though this number is the lowest since 1974, this is still too many abortions. Every twenty seconds a child is aborted. Fifty-six percent of women who have abortions are in their twenties and sixty-one percent of women who have abortions have one or more children. According to Guttmacher Institute, the reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.

Many pro-choice posters say “My Body. My Right.” Woman don't take into consideration that their decision to have an abortion affects not only their body, but the unborn babies. Jeremiah 1:5 says "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.” The Lord knew you, even before conception!

Women who have abortions are only thinking about themselves. What have they forgotten? Have not considered that this baby is a living person? Three weeks after conception a baby has a heartbeat and at four and a half months she can experience pain. By nine weeks, he has begun to develop blood vessels, eyes, lungs, ears, arms, legs, mouth, nose, the color of his eyes, fingers, toes, brain, joints, teeth, spinal cord, nervous system, and facial muscles. He can also hiccup frown, squint, turn his head, touch his face, breath (without air), stretch, and yawn. He is well proportioned, about the size of a thumb, and every organ is present. Exodus 21: 22-25 says “If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”

But instead of condemning women who have made this choice, we should come to them with compassion, offering them help. After a woman has an abortion, her initial response in most cases is a feeling of relief. Then, with repression and denial, she avoids the problem, usually for years —5 years is common, 10 or 20 not unusual. Guilt, regret, remorse, shame, lowered self-esteem, dreams and nightmares, flash-backs, anniversary reactions, hostility toward men, crying, despair, and even suicide attempts are symptoms of Post-Abortion Syndrome. Many women turn to drugs and alcohol as a way of masking the pain. Anniversary reactions are an increase in symptoms around the time of the anniversary of the abortion, the due date of the aborted child, or both. We should also inform women who are considering abortion about the procedure and effects of abortion and other options such as adoption. Crisis Pregnancy Centers can be found in most metropolitan areas. Many Crisis Pregnancy Centers in Illinois metropolitan areas offer pregnancy tests, ultrasound services, adoption plans, parenting education, clothing rooms, and post-abortion help. According to Hope Pregnancy Ministries ninety percent of abortion-minded women choose life after seeing their ultrasound.

Luke 1:42-44 says “In a loud voice Elizabeth exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.” When Mary enters Elizabeth's house, John, an unborn baby, leaps for joy because he is in the presence of the Christ, another unborn baby. Dr. James I. Lamb, executive director of Lutherans For Life, said “Both Mary and Elizabeth experienced an ‘unplanned’ pregnancy. Both their babies were still in their wombs. Both trusted God in seemingly impossible situations." That the Christ would become a baby shows just how sacred life is.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

Great! another bible basher!

Quoting chunks from the bible isn't going to win you any debates. Wars have been waged on bible material for too long! It's time people stop bashing bibles!

Now the difference between a fetus and a person has been over-explained here but you pro-lifers hold on to your belief that it's the two are the same. It's fine if you believe that, but don't go around forcing that belief on others. I'm sure the bible has a passage somewhere about how you should respect your neighbours.

Women suffer as a result of abortions? Don't generalize because I personally know women who don't.

Side: abortion should not be banned
helloim123(7) Disputed
1 point

I am using my faith as a source of my belief on abortion. Give me a verse in the Bible that says abortion is okay. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that. And please capitalize the 'b' in 'Bible'.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Why don't you go and do some research and post some links on why abortions should never be banned?!

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helloim123(7) Disputed
1 point

Why should I? Your the one who doesn't want to ban abortion. I am against abortion and would love to have it banned.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

I don't need to read any of these links because I personally know women who have had abortions. They don't like it (nobody likes surgery either), but it's a decision they have made after weighing all options. People don't arrive at the decision lightly. But they sure are happy it's an option. Don't push your belief on others.

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dcovan(170) Disputed
0 points

Happy to have an option to kill an innocent baby. Enough said about the women the women you know. HAPPY???????????

Side: abortion should be banned
MattSmith54(12) Disputed
1 point

Your argument is invalid here due to several reasons:

1. Ad Fallice-These sites use fear mongering and catch phrases combined with lies to be correct

2. Its a biased website that lists some real nut jobs who would argue against Bioshock.

3. Bioshock is awesome

4. Science has proven almost all of that wrong. If you don't believe in science, go back to your blog on how Pokemon are going to kill us all.

5. ???

6. Profit

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2 points

Unborn babies are living things and when you kill them, it is the same thing as killing an adult or a child. God is the creator of life and when you kill unborn babies you are destroying his creations. In the beginning God created Adam by breathing the breath of life into his nostrils. “For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb.” Psalm 139:13.

Abortion is when you kill an unborn baby, and the people who do this are selfish because they don't want to spend money on the baby, confused because they don't want to be pregnant, and evil because they kill children, they also don't trust god and what he provides. If somebody did this they would be breaking the fifth commandment: You shall not murder. He or she is also breaking the first commandment : You shall have no other gods. You should help everyone stay healthy and alive.

I have four sisters and I am glad none of us have been aborted.

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

"it is the same as killing an adult or a child"... No, it is not. It is only a POTENTIAL life and not ACTUAL life. Before week 20, the fetus cannot survive outside of the mother's womb. It must be attached to her and be supplied with her blood. If society can't keep it alive, then society should not make laws forcing mothers to keep their unwanted pregnancies. It is physically attached to her and is a part of her and must be her choice.

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2 points

Yes it should be banned. People shouldn't be having sex if they don't wanna a baby. Or it should be protected. Killing babies is a crime.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

People shouldn't be having sex? Doesn't that mean they'll be preventing babies from being born = preventing conception in the first place? What if that baby wanted to be conceived but its parents decided to use a condom and prevented it from being? How far back to the future do you want to take this "life" argument?

Here's where I draw the line: Before the fetus can digest milk via its digestive tract, it is entirely the mother's decision whether it should be aborted or not. It is PHYSICALLY a part of her and is not yet capable of survival without direct connection to her (via the umbilical cord) and so it is her decision and should not be made illegal.

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2 points

yes abortion should definetly be banned because if you look at it from court/police type of view then you could definetly call it murder if you abort something beause the actual definition of murder is killing somebody with intent.

so abortion should definetly be banned!!!

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Ok, before you go around saying having an abortion = killing "somebody" consider this:

does a pregnant woman need a passport for her belly when she travels? Does the fetus inside of her know anything? Can it make any decisions? What kind of a "person" is it? IT'S NOT A PERSON!

Before it can survive outside of its mother's womb, it is not society's choice but the mother's choice. Don't take that choice away from the mother.

Side: abortion should not be banned
2 points

Hi, I am a eighteen year old senior who was born two and a half months premature, a time when abortion's have been done. My mother and I were both in extream danger of dieing, my parents could have said, take it out and get my wife/myself out of danger then I would not be here today and plenty of children will never have a voice.

If a mother or a couple does not want a child there is always the option of putting the child up for adoption, at least it will have a chance at life and a loveing family.

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1 point

Thank you for your testimony. I'm so glad you spoke up and would strongly encourage you to do it more often. Apart from rape your case is the most often used justification for abortion. And as your existence proves it is not proper justification. I know of a woman ( I can't remember her name) but her mother was rapped. I know of her because she is doing public speaking on this issue of abortion.

You are a testimony to the fact the abortion snuffs out a human life because it would have taken yours. Thank you again.

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1 point

Sorry for not saying anything until now, but that means a lot to me. It is about how we see a child before it is born and it seems that so many people do not think of who will be.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

The option of putting up a child for adoption should always be made available but not compulsory.

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2 points

omg its so fuking stupid cuz u no what thats your child your killing your own flesh and blood okay yall guys out there say you get a girl knocked up then she wants an abortion so you would let them kill your child and girls your gonna regret it cuz later on your gonna have kids and think damn i cant believe i killed one of my own babies if you end up getting raped theres adoption deal with it cuz we are all delt bad hands at one time or another it depends on how you handle it are you gonna make it worse with evil or better with love

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

I say they should, but it depends. If the woman got raped or a mother could die, I could see some instances where they should not be banned. But basically everything else to me should be banned. So, due to majority, I will say it should be banned :). The term abstinence has apparently become extinct these days...

Side: abortion should be banned
5 points

I agree with you except on the issue of rape. Why should the child be killed for a crime they didn't commit?

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2 points

Why should the woman carry out the child for a crime in which she was a victim and for a child she did not want to have? It could go both ways. Leave it up to the woman to decide.

Side: abortion should be banned
Prevaricate(57) Disputed
1 point

nearly everyday of the week, the US government (your tax dollars) is killing innocent children in Iraq and that does NOT seem to be such an issue

Side: abortion should not be banned
iamdavidh(4868) Disputed
0 points

Well, once it is a child, it already is illegal to kill it.

Before the first tri-mester it's a cluster of cells with no more self-awareness than a kitchen table.

So that wouldn't be "killing a child" at all.

And don't start with the potential bs. Because by that logic you would also have to outlaw masterbation, and save every ejaculation in a cup separating out the thousands of sperms representing "potential" life and finding female eggs to inject them in.

... 'course judging by your past arguement, I guess you'll try anyway.

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helloim123(7) Disputed
1 point

Why counter a wrong with a equally wrong action?

The evil of abortion is equal to the evil of rape.

Only 1% of all abortions are performed because of rape or incest. (Guttmacher Institute)

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

how is stabbing a pregnant dog, the same as abortion. it is completely different. we're not saying u can stab a pregnant person but we're saying that the pregnant person should have the option to abort. not that it is ok to go and stab any person that is pregnant.

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iamdavidh(4868) Disputed
0 points

Read what I was replying to. I was being facetious.

Following the logic of the statement I was replying to, it would wrong to have an abortion ever under any circumstance, but something like say, stabbing a pregnant dog in the vagina, would be just fine... if one were to follow the logic,

which it's become quite apparent few posting under this topic are capable of.

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

Ugh! lmao!

Apparently I won this little debate because the entire thread that lead to my (again) having to over explained simple logic to the pro-lifers was deleted.

I guess the one I was arguing with had a sudden epiphany and saw how ridiculous I was making them look so decided to delete all their replies :)

Side: abortion should not be banned
0 points

we're saying that the pregnant person should have the option to abort.

Then why is your argument tagged "abortion should be banned"?

Also funny to note is that (at this time) your post is the top post on this side!?

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

No answer to my retort, just a down vote. That helps alot!?

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

I would just like to add one more thing. Everyone who is for abortion seems to insist this should solely be the woman's decision. Why is that? What about the father? Why should he have no say in a child that he would have to bear legal responsibility to if it were born?

Suppose, a father says he does not want the child and she has it anyway. He is still legally liable to this child. Now, suppose the opposite. He wants the child, is willing to raise this child without any financial support from the mother and is willing to bear all financial burden of the mother while she is unable to work. He should not have this right?

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

The father's decision or the mother's decision? What does it have to do with the fact that it should be banned or not? This is a NON-ARGUMENT.

Side: abortion should not be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

When the man has sex with a woman, he knows he is potentially creating a life. He must be prepared to accept whether the woman wants to keep it. It's inside her, not him.

Consider you taking your child over to a neighbour and asks him to babysit the child while you go out for dinner. The neighbour shouldn't have to babysit just because you asked him. He has to look after the child, so he has the choice to do it or not. You are responsible for this child whether he wants to babysit or not.

Side: abortion should not be banned
ChanceyPants(5) Disputed
1 point

The father doesn't have to carry the baby for nine months and then have it wreak havoc on his body while he pushes it out of a hole four sizes too small. If he does make the offer to fully support the child without the mother being around, good for him, but he still can't force her to carry and birth it.

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

OK this is not an argument against abortion but I do think it is a good reason they should be banned. I'll let the story speak for it's self.

Supporting Evidence: Be a Voice for Life (deltackett.com)
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NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

It's a moving story, yes. However the boy is now a life! Before it became a life, it was only a potential life attached to its mother and is completely dependent on her. Only she should have the say in whether it should be kept or not. I am pro-choice, so I say give the women who are considering abortion as much counselling and options and information as you can, but before the fetus can survive outside of her womb it's her choice and society should not make her do anything she doesn't want to do.

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1 point

In 95% of cases it is the woman's fault for becoming pregnant, especially in teen cases.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
0 points

Are you arguing against abortion or against your intelligence?

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helloim123(7) Disputed
1 point

I find this insulting. I think pro-choice people are pro-choice because they are afraid that if women lose the freedom to choose if they have an abortion, we will start to lose other freedoms.

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

Abortion is dumb, all the woman who have any are STUPID!!!! Abortion could ruin the race of mankind!! Then we would all be dead!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I do NOT like the idea of abortion and obama is stupid to give federal funds to abortion!!!!

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Abortion could actually save mankind. An aborted fetus could well grow up to be another Hitler or worse, then mankind would really be f...ed. So think about that!

Side: abortion should not be banned
kayred(14) Disputed
1 point

a bit dramatic are we? abortions have been going on for a long time, were still here arnt we?! sillyyy

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

I wrote this speech...read it and it will answer your questions.

Abortion: Choose Life-it begins at Conception:

Think about this. A girl had an abortion, thinking that the baby wasn’t living so it wouldn’t matter. But, after she had the abortion, she saw what she thought wasn’t living, and it actually was. The baby was living and she watched it die. From then on, she couldn’t even live with herself knowing that she killed a living human being.

This story that I just told you is true. A lot of women think that it isn’t a baby before they have the abortion, and I will explain to you that abortion is the killing of a living baby. Well, if life doesn’t begin at birth, then when does it begin? Life begins at conception. This is a fact, because there is a lot of proof that can back that fact up. For example, there is scientific proof and there is Biblical proof. To further explain what abortion is, I will talk about these important things: one, it is spiritually right that life begins at conception, two, how scientifically there is proof that life begins at conception, Three, what we can do about the abortions, and finally, why girls get abortions. Those are all the things that should be thought about, so I will be explaining them, to help you understand them.

Some woman have abortions because of these three things: one, They might think that they’re too young to have a baby, two, their boyfriend or spouse makes them have an abortion, three, if they do have the abortion the girl’s parents would get mad at her. The case also might be that she just doesn’t want to deal with the baby.

First, you probably ought to know what abortion is. Abortion is killing the baby inside you when you are pregnant. Every year 1.5 million babies are killed by abortion. That’s 125,000 babies killed a month, making it 4,000 babies killed each day, or one baby killed every 20 seconds, that is so amazingly awful. That is basically one murder happening every 20 seconds. How brutal. The fact that life begins at conception is spiritually right. As it says in the Bible; Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.” The Bible says that life begins at conception, meaning that right at conception the baby becomes a living human being. There are many Bible verses that back up the fact that life begins at conception, like the one I just said. That Bible verse, Jeremiah 1:5 is saying that God intended a unique human being, starting at conception. Just because you can’t see or feel the baby inside of you, doesn’t mean it’s not a baby, and alive and a human being, just like you. That is what a lot of people do not think about, even though you really should.

There also is scientific proof. Some people may think that life begins at birth, or some people even later, but that is wrong, life begins at conception. Because of the fact that the baby forms gradually after conception, then conception is the only real point where you can say that the baby is a living human being. For example, the heart beat starts gradually, over a period of time so conception is the only exact starting point of life. Also, DNA defines a separate human being, and so when does a person form their own DNA? A person gets their own DNA at conception. That is a whole lot of proof, so it is just like saying it is a crime to kill a 1 year old, so why isn’t it a crime to kill a baby when he or she is still in the mother’s womb? That is a question that probably will go unanswered forever, or they will just say that the baby is not living, which is a complete lie.

Now, what can we do about abortion? There many things that we can do about abortion. If you start supporting this pro-life movement then it will keep growing so much then no one will have an abortion. Hopefully then the abortion clinics will shut down, and the law will have to change. But, most importantly you can change the hearts of the people who support abortion, and save the innocent little babies. Now, how can we stop abortion? There are many ways to help stop abortion. Another way is you can donate money to a place like The Pregnancy Resource Center and they will use it to buy an ultrasound machine and to then show the women their babies to try to convince them not to have an abortion. You can also write to the president or another government representative, and tell them about all this proof that I have told you, hoping that their hearts will change and then the law.

In conclusion to all of this, it is spiritually right that life begins at conception, and scientifically there is proof that life begins at conception. There are many ways that you can help stop abortion, so I hope that you take a while and do that. There are a lot of things wrong with having an abortion, so you really should not have one. Just remember that God loves the person getting the abortion AND the beautiful, innocent little babies.

Thank you and I hope that you have realized that life begins at conception, you should help the pro-life movement, and that having an abortion is wrong.

My own mother has 6 children and has never had an abortion!!

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Life doesn't begin at conception. A pregnancy is a PROCESS of creating a life. This process begins with CONCEPTION. So conception is merely the beginning of a process.

Before the fetus can actually be kept alive outside of the mother's womb by society, then the mother alone must have the choice. Society should not take away her choice unless society can keep it alive without her.

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

This is not an argument but supporting evidence of why abortion should be banned. This woman knows first hand what abortion is and what it does. If you are going to argue for abortion you will need to overcome this woman's testimony. But I bet most people will just attack her character falsely.

Supporting Evidence: Life begins again (www.worldmag.com)
Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

I once saw a fetus move towards the abortion probe, as if it wanted to be aborted as quickly as it could.

Side: abortion should not be banned
1 point

If you down voted this it says more about you than it does my point, shame on you.

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

There is a VERY simple answer to the abortion debate:

Abortion should NOT be a form of birth control. It should ONLY be allowed (as a final solution) in the event of a pregnancy resulting from rape, incest, or other sexual crime.

Side: abortion should be banned
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

That sounds like YOUR solution to a minority of people. Don't you dare make everyone abide by the minority's rules. If it was a simple answer, it wouldn't be such a huge issue.

Abortion isn't a form of birth control like condoms or the pill, for those directly involved it's a difficult choice that they have to make because bringing a human life up is no easy task. It's not like having a pet (and even that is a big ask because not all pet owners are responsible).

Again, it's the choice of those directly involved. It doesn't affect anybody else's life, so leave it alone.

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1 point

Of all the arguments I have made about this issue I think it comes down to this simple fact; Abortion should be banned because the most dangerous place in America shouldn't be the womb.

I say this because statistically speaking more human beings are killed there everyday than anywhere else. That in my opinion simply should not be.

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

I would like to offer some clarification on the question "can I kill it" and the follow-up question "what is it"

As I have stated before; the taking of human life requires a high level of justification. No argument that I've seen for abortion rises to the level of proper justification. Please note what I'm discussing; the taking of human life, not any life but human life in particular.

So what does that have to do with the question "can I kill it" That question needs to be clarified; hence the follow up question. What I want you to notice is what kind of question "what is it" is. It is an ontological question. We're asking about the very nature of the thing in question. And that's important because it determines how we answer the first question. But notice this is a strictly ontological question; it is not a question about level of dependence or development. Why is that important? Because if the thing in question, ontologically speaking, is human then it requires a high level of justification to kill it. If it's not human, no justification is necessary. I'm not saying if it's human you can't kill it, sometimes you can and must but you must properly justify your actions. This is were abortion fails because the only reason it gives for the most part is because the mother just choose to. And yes I'm sure she went through some tough decisions but bottom line; she wants to. Because the fact is she doesn't have to; she has other options.

But what happens when you kill without proper justification? You have to find a way to justify the act because your conscience is smitting you. This is always done by making the victim less than human or not human at all. Because after all if it's not human, no justification is necessary. And this is were I have seen all the arguments for abortion go. They leave the ontological question and move to other areas that are more easily justifiable. Most of them are framed like this: can I kill it? What is it? it's just a..... Well of course you can They all answer yes by qualifying the object by something that is easier to justify; a standard that is lower not higher. But let's answer the question head on and notice how the gravity of the question changes when we answer the follow-up question correctly. And by correctly I mean answering the question according to the kind of question it is, an ontological question. can I kill it? What is it? It's a human, one at the very early stages of it's development......

So let's take the question of this debate head on; Should abortion be banned?

What is abortion?

The taking of a human life at the very early stages of it's development.

Why would you want to do that?

Because I don't want the inconvenience of a child.

Does that sound like proper justification for the taking of human life, especially the weakest and most vulnerable human life?

I have reduced, intentionally, all reasons for an abortion to a matter of convenience because ultimately that's what it comes down to. If a pregnancy, regardless of how it came about, stands between you and what you want it's an inconvenience; and we all know what we do with inconveniences. But this one is a little sticker because it's human. But if we can take away or cloud it's humanity then it will be easier to do.

So should abortion be banned? Of course it should, for obvious reasons.

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1 point

No on ehas the right to take away

someones life or decide if they live

or not. by getting rid of an unborn baby it is

destroying potential and you will always

think of what could have been.

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

The fundamental issue regarding the abortion debate is not women's rights or other factors which concern personal autonomy, but over the status of the unborn child. Variants of the personal choice argument presuppose that the unborn child is not a human person, for if the unborn child is indeed a human person, then no amount of freedom justifies its elective termination. Henceforth, variants of the personal autonomy argument beg the question by presupposing their conclusions: they are valid if and only if the unborn are not human persons.

First premise is that it is prima facie morally wrong to kill any person. Jane English makes an interesting point that this is not always the case. For example, would not self-defense be a legitimate example of when killing a person is justified? However, the abortion opponent could also claim that fetus' are innocent entities, but even then prima facie it would seem that self-defense would still be legitimate.

A fetus is a person because it posses "intrinsic potentials". However, before that he admits that an argument that shows unborn are persons because they have the persons to become persons is absurd...

Side: abortion should not be banned
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A fetus is not a parasite. Its an undeveloped human. No skin cells, hair follicles or any other bunch of cells. A undeveloped human. A woman has eggs for reproduction. These eggs have to be fertilized to create a fetus. If left unchecked as long as the fetus is healthy a human being will be formed inside the womans womb. If a woman doesnt want a child its her responsibility to prevent it from getting started. Women have plenty of ways to prevent unwanted prgnancy. Killing a fetus is wrong. Its a very young human. You can argue details but bottom line is it will one day, if all goes well,become a functioning member of the human race. Terminating this is murder. The question we need to ask is why do we have this problem in our "advanced" civilization. Most abortions are from unwanted pregnancy not rapes or medical conditions. Are women not ready for their rights? Mass murder of undeveloped humans because of irresponsibilty. We shouldn't condone this behavior as a womans right. WE should condemn because its a womans responsibility to be a mother when she decides to create a fetus.

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abortion should be banned. abortion is like killing a baby. would you do that? if you would then go ahead and abort, but it is still wrong and should be banned.....

Side: abortion should be banned
1 point

Abortion is a terrible thing. Abortion dosn't make you un-pregnant, it makes you a mom of a dead baby. Have the kid and put it up for adoption. Just think, that child could find the cure for cancer or do something extremely great. Abortion is horrible and should be banned ASAP!

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1 point

Absolutely! Except for cases of rape, incest, and when the life of the mother is at stake.

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I think that stupid teenagers and even older women who decided to have sex when they KNEW they couldn't afford a baby should be restricted from it unless there is a medical problem with the mother.

Side: abortion should be banned

I think abortion should be banned because if they didn't want the baby in the first place they shouldn't have opened their legs, should've used a condom, started birth control, used spermicide, etc. There are many other options such as giving the baby up for adoption! If you don't understand they are killing the baby while the baby is still alive and forming. The baby can move, feel, cry, etc. Why would you want to kill a innocent child? That's so wrong.

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1 point

i think abortion is a very bad idea. it's killing someone..

if you didn't want a child, your stupid ass should've used a condom..

chruch is highly agaisnt abortion.

go to the freakin teen clinic your horny ass need a condom! they're free there. -.-

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"I have simply seen no argument that comes close to proper justification for the taking the life of a innocent human being."

So a thirteen year old girl gets raped, and you're saying that the govenrment have the right to force that girl to keep her unwanted baby? I would imagine the girl would never really bond with her baby, and the child would have to grow up knowing of its conception and live with the knowledge that it was not wanted. Surely that is justification enough? That is not a life anyone would want, and surely aborting that baby in its early stages of development would be the better thing to do.

Also, think of the number of children that would end up in care if abortion was banned. There are enough of them already, the banning of abortion would most definately increase this number, and the more children in care, the lower the quality would become. Where would they get the money to look after so many children? Our taxes? It would get rediculous, and there would be a lot of children out there wishing they had never been born.

I do realise that there are problems with abortion, for example, the amount of people who have unsafe sex because they know they can either take the morning after pill or have an abortion is rediculous. But, I'd like to know that if the contraception i was using didn't work and I fell pregnant through no fault of my own, I would be very happy that I have the option to have an abortion.

Also, when do you begin to class a fetus as a human? I personally would not think of it as a human untill about 12 weeks. It doesnt even enter the fetal stage untill the 11th week, surely abortion before this stage is not inhumane?

If there was a contraception out there that was 100% effective, then this would be a more valid arguement. I'm young, and have dreams and aspirations that I could never fulfill if I became pregnant. If contraception can't garrentee that i won't get pregnant, I definately want the choice to have an abortion if i needed one.

You're view seems to be very black and white, and you seem to dismiss the huge grey area that exists. Abortion exists for a reason and should not be banned

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Let me clarify my position, since I misstated it. The first question that needs to be asked is " what kind of life is it?" If it is a human life then no reason for abortion is adequate. Therefore no further questions are needed.

I find it rather disturbing that we want to have sex without commitments so badly that we are willing to kill the result of that sexual union.

But isn't that just like human nature, everything is just fine until something conflicts with what we want and stands between us and what we desire. Then laws get broke, peace treaties ignored, property taken and people killed. But the most heinous crime is when we make laws to exonerate ourselves. When we call evil, good. We may be guiltless before the law but that doesn't mean we are not without real quilt. But praise be to God that He has provided a solution to the two greatest problems man faces, guilt and death. With God there is forgiveness, but not without great cost.

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Yes, abortion should be banned. What about adoption? They need to stand up for the mistake they made and have the baby, and if it is unwanted, put it up for adoption. Just don't kill it. I understand that the baby really isn't a baby yet but if a baby isn't wanted, then the person needs to have safe sex. It isn't the baby's fault.

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I'm just curious how abortion can be legal and at the same time Laci and Connor's law can be enforced. Talk about some conflicting double standards.

Supporting Evidence: Laci and Connor's law (news.findlaw.com)
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Murder! i dont care how you got pregnat and why usually it is your choice. so why murder someone you made that is your own flesh and blood. imagine that! murder! murder!

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The purpose of intercourse is to create life. Just like everything else in life, we've corrupted it into a luxury and no longer something sacred that should be used for more and never just alone, pleasure. Once you put it in without a condom or birth control and you ejaculate you made the decision and approved the life you created, everything is a choice. You may not believe that in that first week its living but when a woman tries to get pregnant but can't physical she still takes those first weeks into consideration so if she feels a difference, a missed period it gives her hope, why? Cause even though its only those weeks she still created and had life in her or else all these early miscarriages wouldn't matter to anyone but it does cause believe it or not a mother understands that no matter what time she has something in her that she didn't have before and when it dies its something that was part of her, aka life.

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Yes abortion should be banned you have time and money to keep yourself having sex , you have money to take and raise a child. Now,in the same senses it shouldn't because if a girl gets rapped and pregnant then they have all the right in mind of having a abortion if it was me and I got rapped , I would get an abortion, I have a friend that has a friend that was rapped and kept her baby because she said "NO matter what that is her child and she is going to raise it" I respect abortion's but again at the same time I dont

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abortion should be banned because this foetus which has just developed how do you know that it wont grow up to be the most succesful person in the world or be someone great , it is like endindg someone,s life before it begins

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Having an abortion is no differet than murdering a child. If the child is unwanted it can be put up for adoption.

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When you abort someone you're killing them. At that point what seperates you from someone who murders? Why can't you give the human a life? why deprive the baby of a life when it hasn't even been born yet. There should be no excuse for abortion. It is wrong and it is defiantly not the best option.

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Its the mothers own fault she got pregnant. And in the case of rape or condition, we all know two wrongs do not creat a right.

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Abortion should be banned in all but extreme cases. When you do an abortion you are killing an innocent baby that never had a chance at life. And while he/she will escape the pains of life he/she will also never know the joy of life either. He/she won't have the chance to grow up and have a girlfriend/boyfriend maybe get married have some kids. He/she won't have that chance. The only time i believe their is a legitimate case is when the mother is going to die because of the baby or maybe if the women and or girl got raped. The extreme cases it should be allowed if the persons parents and spouse/lover agree to it like that women who is brain dead and they are trying to save the baby and the baby will probably be messed up or dead when it comes out

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Steve Jobs, Faith Hill, Aristotle, J.R.R. Tolkien, George Washington Carver, Edgar Allen Poe, Babe Ruth, Johann Sebastian Bach, Herbert Hoover, George Lopez, Simon Bolivar, and Marilyn Monroe. What do they all have in common? They were all orphaned either from birth or when they were just children. They are the ultimate examples of how great and wonderful life is. The rode to success was harder for these people but they persevered. They become presidents, CEO's, Actors/Actresses, singers, inventors, Philosophers, and American Icons. Not everyone will become as great as these people but everyone deserves the chance.

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A fetus is a part of the homo-sapien species so it is a human being with rights.

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JustIgnoreMe(2992) Clarified
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If a person is in your house without your permission and poses harm to you, do you have a right of self-defense?

Would that same self-defense right apply to a woman's ability to get an abortion?

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If you can not care for the baby, what is wrong with getting it adopted? Also, how do you know you are not murdering a would be famous sportsman or inventor. However I would give an exception if the mother may die during birth (in which case the baby would probably die anyway) or if the baby will die during the first few days of its' life (saving unnecessary suffering.)

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If you can not care for the baby, what is wrong with getting it adopted?

Pregnancy takes a MASSIVE toll on the woman in question, so expecting them to do all of that because of a baseless hypothetical ("how do you know you are not murdering a would be famous sportsman or inventor") is pretty ridiculous.

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This subject is probably the one that I get most angry about. The question is should abortion be legal. Before we start anything we need to know what the word "abortion" means:

Abortion: a medical procedure used to end a pregnancy and cause the death of the fetus (merriam Webster dictionary)

Now people (and I'm talking about pro choice people) could say, "Yes that's what abortion means. It's the death of a fetus and a fetus is not a human. Now from that statement we need to see what a fetus actually is.

Fetus: a human being or animal in the later stages of development before it is born (merriam Webster dictionary)

I got both those definitions from Webster so that's not in my words but back to the argument. A fetus (from the definition) is an unborn child that's in the mothers belly. What I mean by that is like the definition which is the stages before birth. So we can put those 2 definitions together and say that:

Abortion is the death of a fetus = abortion is the death of a unborn child

That's the huge point of this argument of whether or not it's a person that's being aborted and pro choice people claim that it's not because a fetus in not a human and when it actually becomes a Hume but haha clearly I just proved that with the definitions but if you don't believe that (which I don't know why you wouldn't) then I will go into more detail. Like I said the big argument is when it's actually becomes a person. Pro life people like myself say it's at conception that it becomes a person which means that when the egg and the sperm come together as one that's when it becomes a person because that's conception. For pro choice people, that's a bit different. It's kinda hard to get a straight answer from the whole group of pro choice people because Iv heard different things from other choice people. Some have said, "it's a person when it is actually born" or "it becomes a person a few months after conception". There are many other things Iv heard but the list is to long. Side note: the pro choice stance seems very inconsistent about the subject of when a person is a person but the pro life stance already knows when it happens so just think about that. Anyway so we need to find out which side is right. I'll choose one argument that some pro choice people choose which is "it becomes a person when it's born". I'm choosing one because that's the one Iv heard the most and I also only want to put one argument, the most popular argument of pro choice, against the pro life argument which is that life starts at conception so the big question is which one is right? Well that's very simple to find out. Most pro choice people are atheists and atheits always go to science for the answer so there gonna get a kick out of what I'm about to say. There's a less known sience called embryology. Search it if you don't believe me. The whole science is about about this kind of stuff, studying embryos and fetuses. And this science has spent so much time focusing on the abortion topic and has studied the stages of a fetus, has studied the stages of pregnancy, and most importantly has studied when life starts. So that brings everything together to find out which argument, or which side (pro life vs pro choice) is right. Does life begin at birth or at conception. Like I said these are trained professional scientists who have been studying this subject for years and have concluded that life does indeed start at conception. That means a fetus is indeed a person (just like I said with the definitions) and if the fetus, or person, was aborted, that means the person was muderd. So pro life wins that one. That's what people need to understand because it has been scientifically proven that life begins at birth. Now since we know now that life starts at conception, we need to clearify a few things. This is the part where we find the true pro lifers. The other part that gets so controversial is not only the "when life begins part" but also what people think is exceptions to abortion. This is when the morality part hits. Since we know that abortion is muder, and since American let's that be legal, (which for the life of me have no idea why) we could ask if that's human rights violations which it is. This country says that every, let me say that again, every human has rights including rights to there life. That includes the humans that are unborn because they are people. And since we let that be legal we are going against human rights by killing thousands of unborn babies. Sorry that got alittle off track of what I wanted to say next. Like I said, people think there should be "exceptions" to abortion. And I know you have heard them: rape, getting pregnant even though you used a condom, the mother has a big chance of dying, etc. The 2 biggest ones that people are alittle bit confused about is rape and the mother possibly dying. Now I want to clearify something that people think pro life think: WE BELIEVE THAT WOMEN SHOULD HAVE RIGHTS TO THERE BODIES!!!!! Just not when it comes to abortion because it's not the women's rights that are being taken when but its the unborn babies rights being taken away but anyway. Let's talk about rape first. Picture this: a 13-14 year old girl got raped. It's a terrible thing that happened and she got pregnant. The big question is should she abort because it was an unwanted pregnancy. That's a big question that some pro lifers think twice about. Now we need to look at this from a moral sense. Since abortion is murder then the teenage girl shouldn't do it no matter what. Even though she got raped, morally she should not kill the baby. Now people think that I don't think women deserve rights. If you think that look up a bit at the capital letters and read that. Now back to this. People say they should abort it since she got raped and didn't want it. Now let's put that logic in another sense: if me and you were talking and you piss me off then does that give me the right to go and kill my best friend? People would say, "no because that really doesn't make sense. If I pissed you off then why would you kill your best friend?" Now some of you (hopefully) saw what I did there. Those to situations have differently things happening but the same question comes up which is should I kill them for something bad that happened to me? And the answer is no. 2 wrongs don't make a right. And plus you don't have to abort it because there's an amazing thing called adoption which you can give your baby to another family if you can't care for it. And you won't feel guilty about it for the rest of your life! The other "exception" is when the mothers life is at risk. This one is a lot hard to explain then the rape one. But people need to ask another question which is, "who deserves life more?" Which don't get me wrong, everyone deserves life but think about it, the mother has already lived her life. The baby hasn't had a chance to speak up for itself and live it's own life. Now people might think "this kid thinks killing is ok". No I don't, that's why I'm pro life but any baby should have the right to live there life even if that means the expense of the mother loosing hers. It's a crappy reality but it's the right one. Plus there have been so many medical miracles that have saved both the baby and the mother. I believe that's why people need to be pro life because if it (hopefully) gets banned then I assure you, it will save more lives and make this country a better place. Btw I'm only 15.

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Watch this video and there are others reasons why you should be pro life

Supporting Evidence: Why abortion is wrong (part 1) (m.youtube.com)
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Abortion should be banned!!!! The baby you are killing has done nothing wrong!!!! How would you feel if your mom even thought about killing you before you ever even experienced the world, The only reason is if the baby could kill the mother. You are killing something innocent. Your mom did not do it to you but you can do it to a child!!! You would not even be here if your parents did not care for you or even care to keep you alive. IF YOU DON'T WANT THE CHILD PUT IT IN A FOSTER HOME!!! don't kill it!!!

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Abortion is a topic that is controversial to many, but is it legal? The answer to that is NO. You may say, "But the US Constitution doesn't say anything about that!" I would then reply to you, "Actually, it is." You see one clause in the 14th Amendment in the Bill of Rights states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof...nor shall any state deprive any person of life..." Now as if that isn't proof enough, many would still disagree and say that it could go either way, if you read the rest of the amendment and that a fetus is not a person it's just a pile of cells. Well, if it is just a pile of cells, then that means that if you are having an abortion, then those cells are alive, otherwise you wouldn't need an abortion. But here you go again saying, "But it isn't a person yet." I say, "Well, if it is alive, which I've proven to you already, and inside a woman's womb, then what is it? It certainly not an alien or a dog if it was conceived by two HUMANS, which means that those cells are a HUMAN." So, basically people are paying other people to murder their unborn children. If this is the USA that you wan to live in where innocent, unborn children are murdered, then support abortion, by all means, but if it isn't, then you and I and everyone else needs to do something about this. We liven a democracy, the very first clause of the Constitution says, "We the people..." we are a government by the people, we can make a difference. You just have to make a choice.

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Taking one's life is a crime. No matter the circumstances. I understand that rape happens. I am sympathetic towards rape victims that ended up pregnant but to me, that is still not a reason to kill a child. I don't care how old they are, from once they are conceived, they are a human being and it is murder. There is no way around that. If anything, you should carry that child and give him/her up for adoption. That would be the best thing for that child if you are unable/unwilling to take care of it. Especially if you were being irresponsible with a certain other, that is your own fault and your own irresponsibility and you should own up to the results.

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IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
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Do you believe human's have the right to self defense? If so, on what grounds?

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bolson5004(3) Disputed
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Of course they have that right. And I understand, as a woman, it would be terrifying for something like rape to happen and to get pregnant. That is something that I struggle with as my belief of pro-life. But, I have to stick with my belief which is to save that life of the child. Once you find you are pregnant, it isn't about you anymore. It is about you and the other life you hold in your hands.

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In my personal opinion, yes. Abortion should be banned. I am pro-choice, I just believe that a woman's choice to have a child is before engaging in sexual activities, not after a person has been created.

Of course, there are scenarios such as rape or cases of bodily disorders that are different from another abortion. A woman in those situations must come to the difficult decision through god and deep personal contemplation.

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On the level of morality it is murder and the fact that people have illegitimate children shows their level of responsibility. It should be banned as far as a illegitimate children or children of rape victims are concerned please put them up for adoption in Israel.

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First of all, abortion is murder. Abortion means removing another person's right to live. If killing a person is illegal, why would abortion not be illegal, when in fact abortion is also killing a person.

Second, most religions have a stand against Abortion. Examples are Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, and Islam.

Lastly, if you do not want to take care of that baby after being born, you can do that by letting him/her be adopted, not by killing him/her.

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Abortion should be banned to an extent. If you have chose to have sex then you should not be able to have an abortion. You knew the possibility of pregnancy and you took those chances. But on the other hand if you are raped you should be able to have an abortion.

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I find the fact that there are instances where women think that it is right to abort the birth of a child is incredibly outrageous! To think that people would rather cut of life in its entirety than to take wiser options, such as setting their child up for an adoption, or even personally entrusting the baby to someone close to them. If I could 'personally' define the word 'abortion,' then it would be as follows:

'ABORTION: The term refers to the irrational decision to KILL the child before it has been birthed from the womb'

I am not going to sugar-coat abortions, because it's true, they are nothing short of murder! 'The children are killed before they can even process the thought' is one term that I have seen a few times in this debate (of course they have been worded differently, but again, I am not here to sugar-coat this sort of thing), and I can say that the mother/father has STOLEN the right and privilege of thought from these children by killing them. They have also denied them of love, care, protection and most of all, they have denied them of a life.

As I have stated previously, I cannot even begin to understand why so many pregnant women do not consider putting the child up for an adoption rather than simply cutting the child off completely! Surely the majority of you all would agree with me that a child has its rights even if it cannot understand them! But the second that an abortion begins, you have stripped that child of it's rights, and there is no way that you can ever make amends.

And no, I am not trying to send anyone on a guilt-trip, but I would be glad to know that some of you have come to realize what exactly an abortion does, and not just to think of the process as "stabbing someone in the vagina."

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NVYN(288) Disputed
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Before it's able to survive outside of the woman's womb, it's only a potential life, not an actual life. Society cannot keep it alive so society should not interfere.

As a potential, it is in the same class as a single egg or sperm. Of course, once birthed the child still has no guarantee of life due to SIDS, diseases, etc... but at least it has a better chance of survival. So, before the period of 20 weeks, it has no chance of survival outside of the womb, so the woman should have the choice of keeping it or not.

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Stefooch(27) Disputed
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You were also only a potential life when you were 2 years old but did your mother strangle you?

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SMCdeBater(242) Disputed
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Well, if you read my argument towards iamdavidh's argument on potential life in regard to sperm cells, you will understand that there are major differences to what is potential and what is actually fertilizing as we type.

The fact that women consider an abortion as the first choice (or for that matter any choice) is too weak for some people, this includes me.

What individuals fail to see, and admit, is that there is always another option, whether it be putting the child up for adoption or to leave the child in the care of a friend or family member, so that the child has a life and it is still able to give a couple what they actually want.

People are so financial these days that they forget about human rights, something that a child deserves. We can all look at what science determines is a child and what isn't, but it is but some of us, who actually believe and support human life, will look as a fetus as a child, regardless of its understanding and capabilities.

If someone isn't fit or capable of having a child, have safe sex, or if it is too late, give the child to someone who is. Everybody wins.

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Sitara(11100) Disputed
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You are wrong. Science has proven that life begins at conception .

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sushirocks26(5) Disputed
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Putting more children up for adoption when there are already hundreds of thousands of children waiting to be adopted is ridiculous if you really think about it. Most of these children are put into foster care where they spend part of their lives with 6 or 7 other kids being miserable because they are being moved around 15 or 16 times in a year. We have all heard about how traumatizing foster care can be for a lot of children who end up having a lot of mental issues and distress when they are older. Yeah you may be keeping a child a live but when you think about what they have to go through as children in the system is it really worth it? And not to mention if they do get adopted young and find out when they are older it is going to be extremely hard for them. When people get abortions the baby cant process it or know!! What is the baby going to miss or know if they are never born nothing. Its not like they are going to be born to another family and say oh yeah i had a mother once but she got rid of me before i was born.

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Most abortions occur at 10 weeks, can somebody please look at these pictures and please tell me what that is if it's not human. And if you dare go watch the video silent scream and please tell me what is going on there, because they sure aren't removing a clump of cells. If your are for abortion please tell me what that is they are sucking out into the trash.

I don't think most people know what an abortion is, nor have they seen one. If you are for abortion at least inform yourself and watch the video silent scream

and make an educated call about abortion

Supporting Evidence: Fetus at 10 Weeks (www.baby2see.com)
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Sitara(11100) Disputed
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Silent Scream is unscientific. I tried watching it, and I could not even see the baby. They need to come up with better proof.

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iamdavidh(4868) Disputed
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jstantall(178) Disputed
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I guess you were not man enough to match the video Silent Scream because that video clearly show a fetus doing what you say it can't; showing signs of awareness.

I also I didn't say" few people have experienced abortion first hand". What I said is that few really know what it is.

About being "closed minded "it doesn't matter what the thing looks like."

If it looks human and genetically it's human; it probably is human.

The question still remains unanswered: What kind of being is it? Your attempt to redefine the question hasn't changed the question, nor does it answer it. And a question not properly answered doesn't go away. That's why abortion is still a hot topic 35yrs after Roe vs Wade. There are a lot of people for whom something seems dreadfully wrong and for those of you who support abortion to dismiss us with some fancy mental gymnastics is simply inadequate. So please, answer the question.

You also lose credibility with statements like these"the vast vast majority of abortions take place before the first couple weeks." How do you abort something you don't know you have? In most cases it's a missed period that tips the woman off and that takes time. Facts are annoying things when they contradict you and you can't make them go away by changing them. Do your research first before you make assertions like this, Because for those of us who have. you lose credibility. But I think you make my point that most people don't know much about abortion.

But tell me iamdavidh, were you ever an unborn baby? Because if you were. you have to acknowledge that an abortion would have killed you, not something else but you. And that means abortion kills people in the early stages of their life not something else that later becomes them, but them.

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helloim123(7) Disputed
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AT NINE WEEKS A BABY HAS A HEART BEAT

ONCE AGAIN I ASK YOU TO READ THIS LINK!!!!

Supporting Evidence: Milestones of Early Lif (www.abortionfacts.com)
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Abortion is stupid. All thes chicks that have abortions are stupid.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
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Are you arguing against abortion or against your intelligence?

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Let's assume that we don't know when life begins or at what point those cells in the mothers womb become human. And let's say we can't answer the question, what is it. If we take all the arguments for abortion and weigh all the objections then I have only one question. If we don't know the right or wrong answer to the question of abortion. Why not err on the side of life? If we don't know, and this debate demonstrates that, then why not use caution and restraint? It's seems to me that if this issue of abortion is "debatable" then it would be unwise to throw open the gates of permission.

What if we are wrong and it turns out that we have actually snuffed out the life of over 45 million children? I think the guilt of that would have a more profound affect on our nation than thousands of women who die from back ally abortions. See, in abortion we as a nation are complicate in the act because we as a nation sanctioned it. In the back ally abortion we have no guilt because the parties acted contrary to our law. If you think nations don't have guilt, ask a German about the Holocaust. The don't like to talk about it for obvious reasons.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
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Err on the side of life? ERR??? This is not guess work. The fact is we DO know that it's human, we DO know that it's definitely a POTENTIAL life (but not ACTUAL life). We DO know the answer to most of these questions. We just want a choice. Don't word it as if you've sanctioned abortions. You are simply giving people a choice. Put it another way, you haven't taken away their rights to choose.

Holocaust is killing Jews.

Choice to abort a fetus that cannot survive outside the womb until at least week 20 is the same as using a condom or abstaining, or masterbating into the toilet.

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I think that abortion is absolutely wrong in all ways because it's killing a innocent life. For all you know, that baby could've been the one to make a cure for cancer or AIDS. I think that in a situation such as being raped, that the baby is innocent and the baby had nothing to do with whoever raped you, it's not the baby fault. There are all kinds of options in the world like adoption that you could choose if you don't want your baby. Unplanned pregnancy is no reason to have an abortion because I feel like if you had sex willingly then you knew what the possible outcome could be. I AM 100% AGAINST ABORTION FOR ANY REASON. NO BABY DESERVES THAT!

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Abortion: One Key Issue

By Gregory Koukl

Abortion involves killing and discarding something that's alive. Whether it's right or not to take the life of any living being depends entirely upon the answer to one question: What kind of being is it? The answer one gives is pivotal, the deciding element that trumps all other considerations.

Let me put the issue plainly. If the unborn is not a human person, no justification for abortion is necessary. However, if the unborn is a human person, no justification for abortion is adequate.

©1999 Gregory Koukl. Reproduction permitted for non-commercial use only.

For more information, contact Stand to Reason at 1438 East 33rd St., Signal Hill, CA 90755

(800) 2-REASON (562) 595-7333 www.str.org

Supporting Evidence: Abortion: One Key Issue (www.str.org)
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atypican(4873) Disputed
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Whether it's right or not to take the life of any living being depends entirely upon the answer to one question: What kind of being is it? The answer one gives is pivotal, the deciding element that trumps all other considerations.

Depends entirely ? Heavily for sure but I am not buying entirely.

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jstantall(178) Disputed
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Let's say your kid comes to you and says "Daddy, can I kill it" I would bet money that how you answer that question depends entirely on what "it" is. If it is a fly on your shoulder that's been bugging you, then by all means kill it. If it's the kid down the street, then whoa, we need to talk.

The point is this; this is not some esoteric philosophical question. This is common stuff we do all the time without thinking, it's instinctive. We know how to answer this question and we do it all the time.

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Many abortion doctors admit that this baby is a living human being. Many baptize the babies after the abortion is finished.

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NVYN(288) Disputed
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Many? How many?

Many think that it's the mother's choice if she wants to keep it inside her or not.

Think of a mass rape by soldiers to try and stamp out a certain race of people in a village... I'd get rid of the seeds of hate the minute I can!!!

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NVYN(288) Disputed
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It not whether it's human. We know it's human. We also know that before at least week 20, it cannot survive on its own. It has all the POTENTIAL of a life, but that's only a POTENTIAL. Until it can be kept alive by society without the mother, it's the mother's choice to continue to bring this POTENTIAL life into existence or not.

So the question is "Is it life, or is it potential life?" and the answer is "it's potential life". So then it's in the same category as any egg or sperm on its own.

Side: abortion should not be banned
0 points

Well, the question is what makes us a person, and what makes us special above those beings which are okay to kill (most animals, insects plants etc...). I would argue that it's our ability to think and feel at a higher level.

An embryo cannot think, feel, see, hear, remember, or do any of the other things that distinguish us as people and therefore must be put into a separate category then a fully formed person.

Considering your ignorance on the topic of biology that you demonstrated in the evolution debate, I would not be surprised if you were unaware of this, but if you don't believe me I would be happy to provide evidence (or you could save me the trouble and trust me).

The question then becomes: at what point does the unborn embryo/fetus gain the rights of a full grown person? There are two extremes:

1) The moment after conception.

2) The moment of birth.

My problem with number one is that a single celled organism shouldn't have rights that are equal to those of a person, and my problem with number two is that mere physical location (outside rather than inside the womb) shouldn't dictate whether we have rights, so I propose that the embryo/fetus gains rights over time as it develops. How early these rights are given is obviously something that is going to be debated, and, in my own opinion, should be debated because it will be a much more fruitful debate than the current "all or nothing" one that is all too common.

Side: abortion should not be banned
helloim123(7) Disputed
2 points

By the end of the 1st trimester a baby can think, see, hear, remember, and many other things.

What is the difference between killing a baby nine weeks after conception and murdering baby nine weeks after birth?

Tell me! I want to know.

An abortion doctor failed to abort a baby and he was born alive. So the doctor took the baby and killed him. The doctor was not charged with murder but was charged with the failure to abort the baby.

Side: abortion should be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
2 points

The question is not what makes us a person. The question is; what is it?

Genetics tells us that it is human, although in the early stages of development.

An embryo cannot think, feel, see, hear, remember, or do any of the other things that distinguish us as people

This argument had some weight before the ultrasound. But in this day and age with 3D and 4D imagining it is simply naive.

But let's say your right and we don't know at what point the unborn embryo/fetus gains the rights of a full grown person. Why not err on the side of life? If we don't know it would seem wise to use caution and restraint. Therefore to allow abortion on demand would be the height of folly.

So in conclusion; if we don't know when a fetus becomes a person we should ban abortion because it might take the life of a person.

Side: abortion should be banned
2 points

I fully support this view.

In my personal opinion, once the fetus can survive outside of the mother's womb (which means society can theoretically take care of the baby without the mother's input) then society can intervene. It should then be allowed to fully develop into an independent life. This stage is around 20 weeks of fetal development.

Side: abortion should not be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
2 points

FYI an embryo is a stage of life it's not the thing. Your argument therefore falters because of equivocation. And furthermore person hood is a characteristic of the thing, not the thing.

And finally, I don't discriminate against humans; it's just plain wrong. All humans, especially ones in the early stages of development, are worthy of or full protection. That's called moral clarity.

Side: abortion should be banned
jstantall(178) Disputed
1 point

The question isn't about person hood, The question is what kind of life is it?

By your logic it is OK to kill another human, especially if they are smaller and less developed than you , if they can't think, feel, see, hear, or remember than by all means, kill em. What you have just done is discriminated against a whole class of humans that are inferior to you and deemed them unworthy of life by your arbitrary standard. That sounds just like the logic of the Third Reich to me. And that's exactly how they categorized it; the life unworthy of life.

But let me ask you; were you ever an unborn child? If you ever were the unborn child your mother carried, then you have to accept an undeniable truth: killing that child through abortion would have killed you. Not a potential you. Not a possible you. Not a future you. Abortion would have killed you.

Aren't you glad your mother didn't view you in the same crass way you view other humans in the early stages of development. You are in essence arguing for a right that could have taken that very right from you.

And just for the record, most abortions are performed at about 10 weeks. I've included a link so you can see what those embryos look like at 10 weeks. And please tell me what that is if it isn't human.

Also in regards the fetus's (it's a fetus at 10 weeks) ability to think, feel, see, hear and remember watch the video "Silent Scream" to get a sense of just what it is you are arguing for. What you'll see is a fetus (just like you once were) recoil in fear has they fight for their life. But I do warn you, the footage is extremely graphic.

Supporting Evidence: Silent Scream (www.baby2see.com)
Side: abortion should be banned