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Yes, they should. Many college campuses allow teachers to carry as well as students, and there has not been one incident where a teacher became crazed and took a gun and started shooting. Also, not one mass shooting has taken place in a school that allowed concealed carry for the teachers. All the mass shootings took place in a gun-free zone. This proves that they don't work. A criminal is more deterred by a sign showing the staff armed than no guns allowed.
So the answer is increasing the number. If we arm more teachers in wider areas, then we have no mass shootings like the ones that have a gun free zone.
And how offen in the past has a teacher brought a gun to school and shot her students? You realize they could probably do that just as easily as any one els anyway right? And I suppose you are also aware that teachers must pass background checks wich in clued checking any and all diagnoses.
People aren't just born normal and then just develop psychosis it's a chemical imbalance in your brain that prevents you from feeling any sort of empathy and often those with psychosis don't see others as human beings. And two address your other talking point (that term being used rather lightly in this case) if they truly WANTED to murder their class what then would prevent them from bringing a gun to school and doing it? Remember Eric Harris, Dillion however the hell you spell his last name, the guy who shot up Virginia tech can't remember his name and Adam Lanza weren't exactly in the habit of going to school strapped it was just that one time. Adam Lanza wasn't even a sandy hook student for Christ sake you don't need guns provided for you by the SCHOOL to pull one off its like a psychopaths version of a BYOB if a teacher wanted to commit a school shooting there's nothing stopping them just like there's nothing stopping any one els because you people don't want to give our teachers guns.
stopping any one else because you people don't want to give our teachers guns.
It's actually easy to stop school shootings without arming teachers have only 1 unlocked entrance and have 4 armed guards 2 that you can view from the entrance 2 you cannot would easily take out any shooters.
Sure. The reason why these nut jobs go into schools and show agression is because there is no one in the school to stop them. Well trained and armed teachers in the school will make these idiots think twice.
As withe every major Question wedged between chapter 34 and its sister in the Annals Of Human History, THIS question demands that you consider the LOCATION before whipping out your judgement.
Should teachers be part teacher part gun wielding cocaine thug? I say consider the loacation of the bally school.
If it is in a Black american school yessiree teachers should be covered to the teeth with guns, body armour and hand grenades because the kids in those schools are barely human. Savages is what they are, and you'd come two paces short of a high voltage tranquilizer gun to whup their little black arses into shape.
If its a white school, a teacher armed with a plastic cane keeps the discipline doctor away :) White people are People. :)
Not all white supremacists are from the south that's a generalization and as a non-racist white southerner I take offense to that. neo-naziism is stronger in northern Idaho and the Midwest than it is in the south
Yes. Gun free zones only disarm law-abiding citizens. There is no concrete reason why someone who is able to legally own and carry a handgun would not be allowed to carry it at the school he or she works at.
In all the schools and colleges that allow teachers and students to carry firearms, there has not been one incident where a teacher or armed student started shooting. If a teacher is properly trained, and shown how to store their firearm while on school grounds, there won't be a fear of losing a gun or a crazed someone getting ahold of it.
You don't have a lot of trust in our teachers do you? Look I'll tell you what In Israel they arm there teachers why don't you pop on over to google and look up the number of kids they had die in school shootings over the past 8 years compared to us.
Now...Far be it for me to drag your personal background into this debate, but...
the naiveness of your argument makes me wonder wether YOU went to school in some lawless back alley in Bogota, where you'd regularly find cocaine stoned headmasters taking pot shots at students on passing whims, an event that necessitated bulletproof vests to be a mandatory part of the school uniform...
Are you genuinely attempting to imply that the contingency of a teacher using a firearm AGAINST HIS STUDENT is one that ought to be taken with even a minuscule amount of seriousness???
chool in some lawless back alley in Bogota, where you'd regularly find cocaine stoned teachers taking pot shots at students on a passing whim, an event that necessitated bulletproof vests to be a mandatory part of the school uniform.
how did I know? well scratches head there were a couple of preliminary signs testifying to your general unfitness as a human being in general, much less one capable of intelligent debate; namely the fart stains you'd left all over your post among others.
but the most obvious one was your incapability to grasp the essence of the blithering argment in the first place, and consqeuenty give vent to wholly irrelevant and appallingly childish ejaculations like 'Headmath'ter shoot'th kiddieth for no reathon'
No you shouldn't have someone armed teaching a class, because at some points teaching can get frustrating and many teacher do not need a gun if they never used one before. I don't believe teachers should have guns, but I do think that every school should have police officers watching and standing guard. A officer at each main entrance.
Now dont YOU start joining the retard queue...cant you see how long it is already?
Let me quote that fragment of irrelevance you contrived to flash momentarily on this post, before it faded away into oblivion, unable to exist with the weight of its own stupidity.
" armed teachers should not be allowed to be in school"
Hmmmmm so you would have all the teachers within a ten mile radius de-armed would you? the clammy mists of evil sadisim would tighten on your throat as you drunkenly went about the million odd teachers in britain, swinging a chainsaw, with arms and legs and blood and peices of flesh being ripped off and going flying in every direction under the scream of the chainsaw as it bit into them?
This doesn't seem like a very hard question to answer, it's an obvious no. It's unsafe to allow someone so close to students to wield such a dangerous thing in class. What if the a student got hold of the teacher's weapon?
That won't happen if a teacher is trained well and taught how to store their weapon while on school grounds. There are many different kinds of safes that allow only the owner to be able to access them, and they can be kept in a desk hidden from view. A student would not be able to access it.
Actually, a holster would probably not be a good idea in a school setting. If it is on a holster, then a student may very well access it. Even a gun in a holster in public can scare citizens. Some states allow open carry, but concealed carry is the best in public. It is just courtesy. A safe inaccessible by a student is a better option.
Yes, but the problem that many people may view is that the student could knock out/kill/dispatch the teacher and take their weapon. A safe gets rid of this factor. The holster helps prevent a negligent discharge and offers a way to carry the weapon rather than your hand or pocket.
But a holster provides for Easier more ready access in situations where time is of the essence. Opening a safe requires more time and leaves,the teacher vulnerable in the mean time.
Yes, that can be true. However, as I believe you previously stated that most of the shootings occurred in hallways. This gives warning to the staff, giving them time to grab their arm from a safe. Also, many schools have security systems that would spot an intruder and give warning to the school, as well as teachers who can arm themselves. They would have time. But that would also need warning, which some may not be able to get, which can make your point valid. I'm just saying it is unlikely.
"However, as I believe you previously stated that most of the shootings occurred in hallways. This gives warning to the staff, giving them time to grab their arm from a safe" you are correct I did in fact say that. However as for it giving the teachers ample time to retrieve a gun from a safe, well that would depend on a number of factors 1. How well dose the teacher know the code to unlock the safe and how fast can he or she get it open 2. How far away is the shooter from the class room if he's all the way at the other end of the hall then yes the teacher has ample time to react but if he or she is right outside the classroom for instance it's practically too late already 3. How fast is the gunmen moving is he going room to room or is he enjoying a turkey shoot out in the hall way. As for detecting the shooter prior to the attack its important to remember that in most school shootings the shooter is a student is the alarm going to go off every time a student enters the building? I could understand the effectiveness of such a system in the event of another Adam Lanza Character but other that that I fail to see the point.
These are all very good reasons. I'm just afraid that a holster allows too easy of an access for students to get the gun rather than keeping it in a safe. In a college campus, that can be different since they are mature adults. I'm just worried about the high school or elementary student. Now this is just my opinion on it. If they decide to allow open carry, I'm fine with that, it's worked in Israel and other schools. I'm just trying to offer a compromise most would agree to.
Right I know that. My suggestion to any one who is not comfortable,with open carry would be to consider concealed carry. This would discourage theft because the student would not know where on his or her teachers Person the firearm is located. While still affording the teacher the ease of access essential in those emergency situations.
The teacher will probably have access because the school will sound a lockdown, which will warn the teachers that there is an intruder. This will give them time to access their weapon and defend their students.
Mate, in my experience theres a lot of questions that dont seem hard to answer.
Until you think about the bally thnig a bit further than the gates, and it hits you of frick, the dashed thing isnt hard to answer; cest jolly well pas possible!!!
I could whip out 3 whole examples of such two cided deceptive liil tricksters at the drop of a hat;
1. why does 1 plus 1 make 3?
2. what is a boy?
3.are women people?
see what i mean?
think think think is my adivec to you, before splaying the four walls of this site with such glaring evidence of your lack of grey matter
What if a kid manages to steal the teachers gun what then? Even if they put the gun under lock and key to prevent it's theft it would not be of much use if a gunman suddenly walked into the class
There are these wonderful little inventions called holsters that keep the gun close to the owner and often (by which I mean almost always) has a strap that secures the gun in place and prevents it from being stollen and lastly how dose a gunman sneek up on your class all the previous school shootings ( at least those we have heard of) started in the hallways in fact at columbine Eric and Dillion did almost all the shooting inside the crowded hallways the only room they entered and actually killed people in was the library and those kids and teacher weren't exactly caught off guard they were just defenseless. Man is your ass sore yet? I've been kicking it all day
Which is a valid point. I don't think they should have an open carry holster. That just makes the surrounding people squeamish and wary. A safe is good enough.
What do I have to define words for you now or something sound them out and if its the definitions your having a hard time with stollen means the same think as taken and sneak ok I misspelled sneak honest mistake my bad but it should still sound the same when you say is out loud so stop being a blatant troll and come up with an intelligent counter argument.
No They Should Not . If You Allow Teachers To Bring Such Things To An Environment Of Kids What Kind Of Example Would He/She Be Setting ? ... Furthermore Who Says The Weapon Will Only Be Used For What It Is Intended ? A Teacher Might Get Frustrated Themselves & Shoot At Kids Or Teachers . Then What Kind Of Case Would America Have On Their Hands ? By Giving Teachers The Consent To Carry A Weapon Is Basically One Being An Accessory To The Crime & Encouraging Unsafe Doings . Again I Say No .