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I'm not sure if you are asking if the UK should pay a tax for allowing Muslims to live in the country or a tax as some kind of fine for funding terrorism or if your asking if the UK should fund Muslim extremism, please could you make this a bit clearer
all three and done some intense research about it i have looked at alot of information why are we letting them do this and mabey the government only keeps extremists here because mabey there secretly informants to the government about other acts of terror thats not been commited yet
Tell me do you support the EDL and BNP? Do you believe that what they stand for is right? Your intense research where was this done the Stormfront website?
yes i do i dont agree with the way they choose to show there belifs i.e violent protests and fight this is refering two edl but yes i do agree with them if that makes me a bad person then so be it
Well there we have the answer you support the Far Right and share their racist xenophobic beliefs, you are no better than people who support or share the beliefs of extreme Islam.
not at all they just feel that they have a right to stand up for there belifs i.e. what about when the extremists bomb buildings up to prove there point so you agree with that do you.
I believe all forms of extremism to be bad regardless of race, colour or religion and have not supported any kind of extremism unlike yourself who supports white extremism.
Until the world learns that we need to get along regardless of colour, race or religion then war and violent extremism will never end and people like you who support white extremism are just as bad as any other kind of extremist.
yes but have you heard of an edl participator being caught with a bomb going to israel for example or have you heard of one of israels most know buildings being blown up no i dont think so israel was just an example btw its all good and well if you want to protest then fine but not blowing up places which holds millions of people like 9/11 or the 7/7 theres none of that in their countrys id rather a protest then a bomb
I've seen Muslim women abused on the street for wearing a burkha, I have seen curry houses torched by both BNP and EDL supporters, I've seen members of the EDL threatening people online and boasting about the knives their going to use to carry out the threats, I've had friends attacked and hospitalised for being black by the National Front (BNP before name change), I've been attacked with a knife for having an Asian friend by BNP supporters the list goes on. Given the right weaponry and less confused leadership the EDL, BNP and their supporters would be just as dangerous as any Islamic militant group.
I'm not saying who is better or worse all I'm saying is all extremism is bad and leads to separatism and trouble.
But you cannot fight extremism with more extremism and if the EDL and BNP get rid of Islam in Britain will you continue to support them when they want to tet rid of the Blacks, Jews and other minorities?
i do not support any bombings so lets just get that straight if the edl was to come and bomb somewhere then i would not support them anymore until then i firmly belive in the edl.
Its been on the news about the EDL firebombing a curry house shortly after the muder of Lee Rigby, they have also set fire to Mosques that hasn't stopped you supporting them.
yeh well they shouldnt of killed the poor guy, What was the point in doing it though, they said they were doing it for thier religion, what does that show about it. :0
So two Islamic extremists kill an innocent non Muslim, so some far right extremists firebomb a curry house (in a totally different town, with no connection to the extremists, there's no proof that the curry house was run by Muslims) and some Mosques in retaliation and you think that is fair enough because the first two shouldn't have done what they did, what happens when more extremists do something in retaliation for the firebombing of an innocent Asians business is that fair enough? (According to your theory it will be), After all the white extremists shouldn't have done what they did.
It's more about the how Islam presents itself as a whole thing. In West are these thing rare because there are very few Muslims but for people who lives in Middle East those things are their daily bread. Making sure that you look enough as a "proper Muslim". Hoping that those guys in front of you aren't fundamentalists from ruling Islamic cult in that area. Or are they from the "modesty police"? Do I have sleeves long enough? Should I run ...maybe they wouldn't see me. Hoping that your daughter/sister will not be stupid enough to take down the cloth in public.... There are many "benefits" of Islam that does not makes it into headlines. I would advice you to do some volunteering in refugee centers and talk with those people... You will be hearing same stuff over and over again from refugees from different countries... All it links to Islam.
According to your logic Nazism wasn't bad, it just had some bad apples with higher ranks, am I right? There are many people with swastika tattoo running around and none of them ever killed a Jew...
We shouldn't throw away ideologies that goes strictly against the most basic "..so called human rights" ...we should give them more space to present their 8th century alternatives to modern society, let's give them more space ...like it was done with Hitler in 1930, "we don't have to stop Hitler,.. it will be OK" and was it? Or was it not?
Again you post an irrelevant answer to my last post, also even though I have declared over and over again I am anti racism, xenophobia and all extremism you keep likening my views to those of Nazism even though your views are virilently anti Islam even to non extremist muslims and racist towards people from the Middle East (not unlike Hitler's views towards the Jews) and your comments about people with swastika tattoos I don't quite understand whilst yes there are people with Nazi swastika tattoos to me they are far right extremists and as bad as any other extremist, but you do realise the swastika does not neccasarily denote Nazism its an ancient symbol connected to Buddhism, Hinduism, native Americans and Aztecs is all depends on the direction the swastika faces.
I also believe in freedom of speech for all even those that I do not agree with.
i mean should the government be making us pay tax for terrorists to claim benefits and live in six bedroom houses while there still hate preaching on youtube and the news? while there 5 people living in 2 bedroom houses being judged.
Can you show some statistic to show how they're treated better? They have the same, or less (depending on their immigration status) access to social welfare services as other people.
They really do have priority. I'm a foreigner in the UK pretty much all my income is from translating. So I have quite good insight in to UK social system. Especially so called "refugees" tend to be accommodated pretty much instantaneously even if there is no available social housing they will get allowance to live in Hotel. I've seen that many times. I've never heard about person from UK or EU being treated same way.
Arabic and Urdu are awesome languages to learn, most of "refugees" from Middle East and Africa refuses to learn English or work or do pretty much anything so you can make really good living just from for one or two "families" :D
Refugee status is different. In 2007 only 19% of applications for asylum were successful. They can only claim it if they are going to be harmed due to race, religion etc in their own country and cannot find refugee in another part of the their country.
I never studied immigration law as part of my law degree but I am aware that every country in the world (e.g. recognised by the UN as a country) must grant asylum when needed. I'm sure there are some people that scam the system but it is better that than the system not existing.
Also they do not really need the actual refugee status it has many steps, you can change lawyers and make it very long procedure ,more that 10 years without a problem and if i that period you'll have a baby it will became UK citizen (because parents has no citizenship of any kind what so ever) they will be granted permanent residence based on their child citizenship or if the child isn't granted citizenship it will be granted refugee status anyway.
So the actual refugee status could be granted just to about 19% but but using all the sideways around the actual success rate would be close to 100%.
both well in britain theres mums and childree in 2 bedroomn hn who live in two bedroom house who have 5 kids and then the government moan and say we need to cut there benefits when muslims and terrorists are living in 6 bedroom council houses off benefits
And I know an Islamic family that doesn't get benefit and live in a house with six children whereas their neighbour, who are white, get loads of benefits. Oops this style of argument based on individual cases isn't going to get us very far....
yes but what do this family of muslims work as also yes that may be the case but mabey you could look at it as the white people sre british so do they deserve it more then the muslims as it is there government even though they might need these benefits
Well of depends. A huge proportion of doctors in the NHS are Asian. Also of course like white people they do other jobs too. Those that don't work, especially if they have worked, deserve benefits. Those that haven't worked don't deserve benefit but this is the same for white people. However, despite the fact of them not deserving it (whether Asian or white) they still will get benefits because ultimately we not going to let people die on the streets. If there is anyone that needs benefits, whether Asian or white, and they're not getting it, then it is not a fault of the other ethnicity but rather that of the state who should be providing it to all I need.
yes but the government want to cut benefits make people pay more taxes the richer you are the less tax you pay the poorer you are you pay more tax then you have the rich moaning about paying tax when someone cant afford to even feed there children and we cant send any extremesits back because over here the human rights apply and if we send them back then that unfortunatly means the government will be commiting a crime the british people dont want to fund extremists and they dont want fund bombs and all things that are no good to us
I see so its also rich being you dislike. Is it everyone that's different from you? A friend of mine earns over 50k a year and had to pay 50% tax on his wage. They pay much more tax, not less. In general, people that earn a lot of money have worked extremely hard to get there and are often in positions that can really influence society. They deserve the money they earn.
I agree that the problem with deporting terrorists is an issue. However what's your answer? We break European law and risk them being horribly tortured?
Why are you even letting them in? Who needs completely illiterate primitives? None of them ever works, What are they even good for?
There's plenty of people in East/Central Europe who can immigrate. They usually speak English, have similar value systems, all of them spend in least a decade in high quality full time education...
Not really, most of immigrants/refugees from Middle East or Africa never went to actual school and often refuses to be in same class with people from different places. What I've said is based on my personal experience. What you've said is based on your idealistic view which has nothing to do with reality.
yes but we have hate preachers they say we hate britain everyone of the non belivers should be killed but they have a word im not quite sure how to spell that says the muslims should get as many benefits they can and rinse the british government even if they dont need the money so i could say we are fundind money for them to make bombs.
well this is true this is why i vote for ukip who are trying to only let people in with skills not just extremists or people that want to live off the state but then they get called racist
The reason they are called racist is because they have MPs who are racist, members of the BNP who realised they could get voted in on the UKIP ticketticket. If racists are allowed in a political party which then does nothing to curb their racism it will be looked upon with suspicion.
