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Debate Score:70
Arguments:48
Total Votes:74
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should we be honest ?

what do you think about honesty? is it right to be honest or not.if ,yes or no, to whom all  should we be honest.  Smile Wink

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Side Score: 23
6 points

Under most circumstances, yes, we should be honest. I would rather people be honest with me, even if it hurts me. There are, however, a few circumstances in which it is acceptable to lie. One of these is protecting personal privacy, or that of someone you care about. I think that if a nosy person asks what your appointment is(suppose it's a psychiatry appointment), and you tell them it's just a check-up. In my opinion, that is okay. It doesn't hurt them to not know where you're going, and it protects your privacy. Another case is that of oppression. Imagine if you had no freedom from your government, overly-controlling parents, whoever. If you are doing something that you have every right to do, and there is no way to stand up to those who are oppressing you, I think it is, or could be, acceptable to lie about what you're doing. This is only in cases when you actually are being oppressed(so this excludes 14 year olds wanting to go to a party of course), and when you truly can't safely stand up to the authorities abusing their power.

So in most cases, yes, we should be honest. But there are a few legitimate exceptions.

Side: yes

I'll admit. I am a former pathological liar. When I was younger, I would lie about anything and everything. All the time. Every day. Big things, small things. It didn't matter if the lie was reasonable or not. I'd lie anyway.

And now I can't lie. Well, I barely can. Not to police officers, or school officials, or my parents, or my friends. If there's something I don't want someone to know, I usually just clam up. I don't want to deceive anybody in their opinion of me, whether it may result in a good or bad opinion or good or bad consequences, so I don't lie.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

I don't believe you ;)

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

Side: No
2 points

No, really! It all started in ninth grade when my math teacher asked where my homework was. Tired of making excuses, I looked up at her and said, "You know, I just didn't feel like doing it."

And the world didn't end. And I kept telling the truth.

Side: yes
4 points

Things tend to work out best in the long run when your honest. The only exception is when you can prevent injustice by lying (ie, "No, I don't have any Jews hiding in the attic.")

Side: yes
2 points

The classic example of when it's absolutely OK to lie. :D

Side: yes

Let me just say that the truth will always set you free. When my mother asked, "What is that?" and I said, "Drugs!" She didn't believe me and that was the end of that. When my x-girl friend asked, "Do you love me any more?" and I said, "No!" that was the end of that. So you see? The truth will always set you free ;)

Side: yes
1 point

Honesty is a virtue. Exodus 20:16, a passage shared by Christians, Muslims, and Jews, says thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Lying to anyone, under any circumstances, is bearing false witness and is thus sinful.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
2 points

"thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

Does not mean "lying to anyone, under any circumstance"

... it just means saying you know something about someone else that you don't know.

at any rate, another perfect example how religion attempts vainly to boil every human experience down to a simple parable, and thus is completely retarded.

See Jessald's example above for when lying is, not only a-ok, but the only moral route.

Side: No
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

Damnit, I remembered something from Religious studies:

thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor

Actually this means very specifically that you are not supposed to say something is true that is not, and not necessarily that you should not lie if there are Jews in the closet when posed that question (to take Jessald's example)

Ex. "Mr. SS Soldier, this guy has Jews in the closet" when this guy in fact does not have Jews in the closet is a sin according to the Bible.

But,

"Are there Jews in your neighbor's closet"

"No Mr. SS soldier, I don't believe there are Jews in my neighbors closet."

Is not necessarily going against that specific Bible quote, and thus is not a sin... Least that's how the Jesuits weasled their way out of the dilemma at GU.

So in that case, okay, not the Bible's fault, just the dumb people who don't know what it means.

Side: yes
1 point

I'd like to actually see somebody legitimately post an argument on the other side. "We should always lie!" haha! This is going to be the most one-sided debate ever.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

"always" is not a prerequisite for either side of the debate.

Side: No
MKIced(2511) Disputed
1 point

I suppose you're right. But I still believe we should be honest more often than not, thus this side still wins. We all know the exceptions, like cheering up your wife/girlfriend or protecting somebody from a bully chasing him, etc.

Side: yes

To what end should we be dishonest? Honesty is the best way to keep things right between people, no matter who they might be.

Side: yes
1 point

Yes! It's better to tell the truth because it's better for the person you are talking to. Once you start lying too much, you can't stop. We all have lied in life. You'd be lying if you said you haven't. REMEMBER THE 5 T's

TRY

TO

TELL

THE

TRUTH

!

!

!

Side: yes

Better to make it three T's: Tell The Truth! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Side: yes
1 point

This is complex, but I would have to preference the act of honesty, and I will say why in just a second. Firstly, I will just briefly touch on one reasoning behind why we should lie. Many people can become emotionally traumatized over such simple things, and they are then left with a decision of honesty or lies. An example of this is, say, breaking a vase in the living room. Mother comes home and finds the broken vase, and wants to know whether it was you or your brother who did it. Here we find the issue of whether you will take the blame for something you did, or to tilt the problem and its concluding punishments towards your brother. A young child is most likely one to lie, but as they get older, their level of honesty is likely to increase. In some cases, it could work the other way around. To put this shortly, lies can save you from punishment, so sometimes it can seem necessary to lie in these cases.

I'd better get into my -real- points now, and I'll start by working against what i have just said. It is important to tell the truth in cases such as the one i have just mentioned, because not only does it show your level of maturity to be of high standard, you will also find that the punishments which follow will help you to learn not to be careless.

There is also the issue of whether or not a person deserves honesty. Some people will lie because they mad or upset at someone else, most likely the one they are talking to. Small disputes can create mistrust quite easily amongst young individuals, and even the older ones. But one thing that we really need to take out of this is that at the end of the say, everyone deserves the truth, whether it be at home, school, workplaces, courthouses, etc.

Side: yes
1 point

The argument does not specify concerning what I should be honest about; therefore I choose whether I am alive or not. I cannot lie and say that I am dead because I am typing this right now. Therefore, we should be honest.

Side: yes
1 point

Honesty is a virtue! There are situations where you shouldn't be honest sure. But there are many more situations in which being honest ends up good at the end of the story.

I wish I was more honest as a child, it would have kept me out of a shit load of trouble.

Side: yes

Everyone should be honest, however, there will be some circumstances where you cannot be honest when someone's feelings will be hurt.

Side: yes
2 points

Everyone lies all the time to everyone, especially to themselves.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying or deluding themselves.

People are so full of shit.

Side: No
1 point

You are correct most likely, I believe the keyword was should though.

Side: No
1 point

As in you should have disputed me if you wanted to disagree with what I said.

Side: fucking hypocrites
MKIced(2511) Disputed
1 point

Just because people do lie doesn't mean they should. Little lies that protect others from evil or make others feel better about themselves are great, but honesty is a virtue.

Side: yes
nagtroll(275) Disputed
1 point

So let me get this straight,...

First you give justifiable reasons why people should lie,

And then you disagree with me.

wtf

You are a prime example of what I was saying.

Side: No
chrisbacon11(2) Disputed
1 point

Mate, if what you say is correct and everyone lies. then what you just said there was a lie.

Therefore it is not correct.

So your words have backfired on you.

Side: yes
nagtroll(275) Disputed
1 point

I stand by my original argument, included below with emphasis.

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Everyone lies all the time to everyone, especially to themselves.

Anyone who says otherwise is lying or deluding themselves.

People are so full of shit.

Side: fucking hypocrites

By your own words no one needs to expect the truth from you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Side: yes
nagtroll(275) Disputed
1 point

what are you implying?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Side: what are you implying
1 point

When to be honest:

When a friend asks you "am I fat?" - Yeah, you're fat as f--k and I find it disgusting.

When not to be honest:

When a gf asks "am I fat?" - Fat? God No! Wait I forgot I have to go somewhere this instant for like an hour until you're thinking about something else...

Side: No

Should the truth be told? Honesty, I think that nobody wants to really know the truth. When that wife or girlfriend of yours ask you if these pants make her butt look big, an honest answer will only get you in trouble. Your butt looks as hot as the day I met you, is the only safe answer. Honesty is not what that girlfriend or wife is looking for, what she is looking for is an answer that makes her feel good. Honesty will only get you into hot water, whether at home or on the job. People are looking for a specific answer, anything but the truth. Being honest will never give you anything but grief.

That person at work that just got a promotion, do you think they got that promotion by being honest. What is a brown-noser,it is that person that agrees with the boss. My friend, I have just unleashed the secret of success to you. Honesty did not get that person that promotion. They earned the old fashioned way, kissing up to the boss. Do you honestly think that one would get promoted by telling the boss everything he/she did wrong. He/She doesn't what to hear all the things they did wrong, they only want to hear somebody telling them how great they are. These are those that get ahead in this world we live in. Remember this and you will go farther than you have ever imagined.

I have realized that this also true in the world of dating as well. Just think about it for a second. The one that tells the biggest lie gets the girl at end of the day. Lies project a better image than the truth. A guy in a suit with a sports car that he can't afford gets the girl. The guy that is truly living within his means, drives a four door sedan of some sort, is dressed nice but not GQ, leaves at the end of the night without a gal on his arm. The same holds true for the gal that wants to leave with somebody. She sends a signal that something may happen tonight and she has every man in the place wanting her number. This signal is the way she dresses. The way she walks and bumps into that guy she admired from across the room. when she walks by. Even draws attention to herself on the dance floor with moves that make one take a cold shower. It may not be her intentions to have sex tonight, but that is what every man thinks. Isn't all of this as far from the truth as one can get.

Honesty the best policy, who are we kidding. Nobody wants to be told the truth. Deception is by far the more attractive of the two. Lies builds egos and gives strength to the incompetent. Master the art of lying and the world is yours.

Side: No
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
1 point

If you were honest with your girlfriend or wife, maybe they'd work on their fat ass... that would benefit both of you. What you mean is, lying is the easy way out of everything. Let her get fat and still think she's not.

You could be tactfully honest, which is to say, you don't insult them with your opinion, or just be constructive with your criticism. Tell them that there is something wrong, or something isn't the way that they think it is, and explain yourself, your reason, but most importantly, explain their position too, to them. Same with the promotion. One thing that I think a lot of people don't think about is, why the "boss" is the way the boss is. You have to think like the CEO, think like you're higher than your boss, criticize the business that you're in, and look out for it's best interest, but your own too. Business doesn't exist for the people that pay for it's services, it mainly exists for the people in the business.

About the dating thing, you shouldn't have to lie, and if you do you're asking for problems, for situations that will keep you dishonest and situations that are dishonest to you.

Honesty is the best policy... but that doesn't mean you can't hide the truth in it's telling. Interpretation is the lister's responsibility.

Side: yes