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Jesus was that significant just a random number
Debate Score:18
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so ....... why is it 2016 ??

The entire world recognizes Jesus Christ ...
Having undertaken .. for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honor of our King and Country . . . . . Anno Domini 1620 ....
ESPECIALLY America

Jesus was that significant

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just a random number

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Side: Jesus was that significant
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Reasonable doubt- this is credible evidence.

It is not likely and is not usual - as a matter of fact it is HIGHLY unlikely and EXTREMELY unusual!!

Here is part of the historical event of Steven's Martyrdom

Notice his stoners coats were laid at Saul's feet.

Saul after murdering Christiand, has an unusual transformation and personally experienced an encounter with the Risen Jesus.

Saul goes from killing them to the greatest winner of souls. And by those actions fullfills prophesy!!

And his dramatic conversion THEN pushes the gospel out from his own countrymen - The Jews, to "All Nations" - Gentiles, (other Nations other than Israel) and is well know even from those he was in league with while severely persecuting Christians.

Matt 24

14“This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Isaiah 11

10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."

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amen .......... Jesus the friend of sinners ...

and salvation available for the chief of sinners ...

our glorious God indeed

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Yes, BC means before christ but, there are many other calendars such as Lunar, solar and ect check it out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listofcalendars

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dadman(1703) Disputed
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......................... Lunar, solar and ect < and these are based on who ?

btw: why do you wear cloths ?

Side: Jesus was that significant
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It's 2016 because Western society dominated and the majority of nations in the West sprung from the Holy Roman Empire.

That's history, not worldwide mandate.

Side: just a random number
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So now you religious idiots are actually mixing up the order of numbers than then trying to claim some sort of biblical significance or prophecy?

Wow.

If I ever tried anything like that in one of my science papers or experiments or labs, I would be laughed out of the program, and rightfully mocked.

But I guess that's due to the fact that you guys can just make up whatever sort of deluded and absurd shit you want. See, that's the thing with you nuts: there is no liability. You can say whatever sort of outlandish shit you want and you not held accountable by anyone. Since your superstition teaches you that your sky god works in mysterious ways and can do anything! LOL. Sort of like the Invisible Fire Breathing Dragon I have in my garage. Which you cannot disprove either.

It's just that............man, you guys get soooooo BORING.

SS

Side: just a random number
Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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I believe all he is doing is pointing out that our calendar is based on the time Christ came into the world. I don't see anything about counting or mixing numbers to imply prophecy. You're so anti-Christ, you are like nitro-glycerin being uses as gun powder for a shot gun.

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cownbueno(407) Disputed
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You do realize that many different religions and countries are running on different systems of time keeping. It's the year 5,775 according to Hebrew calendars, 1,437 on the Islamic calendar and many more to speak of that I'm too lazy to actually check.

If you seriously think the entire world runs on the Gregorian Calendar, you're sadly mistaken.

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KNHav(1957) Disputed
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I wonder how much evidence you avoid in support of God that is reasonable and logical?

That says, hey I can see why you believe that because evidence is reasonable in thought and has logic.

See what many atheist do, maybe not you, is they dismiss reasonable logical evidence and then they mock smart reasonable logical people who have weighed evidence, that you did not weigh.

And we can surmise that one view is more foolish than the other, because 1 view actually did weigh the evidence and has also weighed the ONLY evidence you weigh, and after reviewing all the evidence the decided there is beyond a reasonable doubt a God.

But the foolish observer, only looks at evidence that supports a bias of opinion. And that has no merit, it's a mistrial based on tampering with evidence, and by removing evidence according to bias.

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I don't know about these numbers, or what they mean.

I think the debate is saying in 1620 Jesus mattered, in 2016 the lights are going out. If that's the case then I agree, because there is a flood of deceptions and what it looks like are individual houses built on foundations, and most foundations are whatever the deception of choice is, then there are the foundations of truth and nothing but the truth, the floods come and 1 stands while the other is swept away by the flood of deceptions crashing down foundations of lies, and every house built upon them!

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Oh, I missed that. Well I guess we'll be finding out if 1620 indicates anything about 2016 pretty soon, only four more months left. It would not surprise me if the lights in America all go out from some kind of attack or meltdown, things sure are shaping up for something big and bad to fall on America, but I got numbed to these things after all the Y2K scares.....which I really think was planned to numb people down to the big event which really is coming and so many people expected with the recent blood moon......grasping at those things is like grasping at Nostradamus predictions. The writing is clearly on the wall warning America, but God is in control and we don't need to be in a hurry to try to play numbers games.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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Oh, sorry Slappy, you were right, he is pointing at the dedication of our country to God in 1620 and how turned around backwards away from God our country is in 2016.......it is a bit of a coincidence that our nation is so near to collapse after turning against God, but I have to agree with you that trying to prove significance in such numbers is like trying to decipher Nostradamus and take it seriously.

Wouldn't surprise me if our nation falls before the end of the year and the lights go out, and all that means is it was a coincidence even though God could have planned it that way just to make the point with the numbers....not important either way. I don't pay much attention to these things anymore....first there was Y2K, then 12/12/12, then the blood moons.......the writing is on the wall against America and we don't need these Nostradamus-type signs to tell it..........and I'm still an optimist, still hoping and believing God has plans for America so she needs to be strong for that role and I can go to my grave in peace if Jesus doesn't come back to get me first......

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There is plenty of evil in “the Good Book,” but here are some highlights:

1. God drowns the whole earth.

In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.

2. God kills half a million people.

In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.

3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.

In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.

4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.

In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.

5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.

In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.

6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.

In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)

7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.

In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: “Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.” About 3,000 people died.

8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God’s rocks.

In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.

9. God burns two cities to death.

In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.

In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears “maul” the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means “to tear apart.”)

11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.

In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.

12. 3,000 crushed to death.

In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.

13. A concubine raped and dismembered.

In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master’s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.

14. Child sacrifice.

In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God’s favor in killing the Ammonites.

15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.

In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.

16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.

In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.

17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.

In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.

18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother’s widow.

In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother’s widow.

19. God threatens forced cannibalism.

In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. The coming slaughter.

According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.

Now, Christians have spent thousands of years coming up with excuses for a loving god that would allow or create such evil. In fact, they’ve come up with 12 basic responses, which are the subject of The Tale of the Twelve Officers.

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Saintnow(3684) Clarified
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This is a brilliant argument against our calendar being based on the time Christ came into the world.

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dadman(1703) Clarified
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as usual .... slapshot not having very good day ...

w/ grit teeth and clenched fists again learning nothing ..... LOL

slapshot actually believes that God 'OWES' him something

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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Slappy, don't forget this important addition to your list showing God is evil.....number 21

21. God fails to recognize how good and great Slappy is and holds him on death row for decades awaiting execution.

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Saintnow(3684) Disputed
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the only thing you are pointing out is that you exclude God by your own choice, preferring your own created absurdities of your imagination, created absurdities which are not God..then you talk stupid by saying "the absurd thing I imagine is not God, therefore there is no God outside of my imagination". Why don't you just stand there on your tiptoes and spin like a top and flubber your lips going blblblbblbl. You would be making the same about of sense.

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