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the simplest way communism makes no sense

As far as I understand communism is a societal state in which each member of society contributes the entirety of their labor to a common inventory which each member of society has equal access to. If that is the case can I take more than I contribute to the common inventory? If true that means someone else is left with less than he contributed in which case why would that person want to be part of a communist society? Can I only take as much as I contribute? if that is the case why be part of a communist society in the first place?
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5 points

That's the only part of communism that makes sense. Most people get less than they contribute. If there is any profit being made by the company that you work for and you don't receive any of it then you are getting less than you contribute. Communism is supposed to equalize the money for workers. That's where the problem lies. Businesses don't exist without risk. There is no reason to risk anything if you can't benefit from the risk.

socratic4(102) Disputed
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so why would the people that receive less than they contribute want to be part of a communist society?

Cartman(18205) Disputed
3 points

The only people who would be receiving less under a communist society are the risk takers. There are few risk takers. The overwhelming majority of people would gain on paper. The overwhelming majority of people would benefit if communism could work.

3 points

The simplest way communism makes no sense is the following: why would I work without any incentive to do so?

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You wouldn't unless the overseers pulled out whips and torture devices. See where Communism leads us?

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Actually I agree communism makes no sense. But what also makes no sense is trying to smear any form of government as being "communist" just because it funds things needed for the common good of society, like roads, sewers, militaries, schools, safety net programs, etc. Public programs fall nowhere close to communism on the spectrum. Even when people are in a panic about high taxes it still remains on the opposite end of the spectrum from take it all away.

As far as I understand communism is a societal state in which each member of society contributes the entirety of their labor to a common inventory which each member of society has equal access to. If that is the case can I take more than I contribute to the common inventory?

No, you can't. You can withdraw only the total product of your own labour.

Your laughable bias and misunderstanding are evidenced fairly clearly by the fact that, under capitalism, the product of your labour is stolen from you by your employer, and in return you get a small percentage of it back. Hence, quite typically of morons like you, a problem with capitalism suddenly becomes a problem with communism.

socratic4(102) Disputed
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if You can withdraw only the total product of your own labour what's the point of a communist society? its basically everyone on their own.

other than that, theft is illegal in the west. Didn't you know?

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Hello S:

If you look around, you'll see that communism is DEAD.. It only resides in the minds of FOX News viewers.

excon

3 points

Look at you. How is the Bronto tactic of completely ignoring the debate topic working out for you?

marcusmoon(244) Disputed
1 point

Excon,

It also resides in the minds of college leftists both professors and students.

Most of the cure for that is kids, a mortgage, and loss of tenure.

Believe it or not, I was once a communist.

Communism is a very attractive idea when you are minimally employed and completely without ambition.

However, the minute I wanted to make my life better, and started to think seriously about becoming a husband and father, I saw the limits of the whole thing.

I realized that in a capitalist system like we have here, I could change what I did, and earn more. In fact I sextupled my income between age (23 and 30.) I had the primary input into how much better I could do economically.

Communism relegates everyone to doing no better than the average. The reality of averages is that to make any significant improvement in my situation, EVERYBODY has to work harder and smarter.

Face it, other people are not going to row harder just because I want them to.

The simplest way communism makes no sense is that it frustrates self-determination and ambition, which are the primary mechanisms for getting us to climb down out of the trees and make life better.

Quantumhead(850) Disputed
1 point

The simplest way communism makes no sense is that it frustrates self-determination and ambition

Bullshit. Utter, raging bullshit.

Communism changes the social incentive from personal hedonism to collective progress. Just as there are people who respond better to the first incentive, there are also people who respond better to the second. The only difference is, the ones motivated by the second incentive are generally much nicer people.

Quantumhead(850) Disputed
1 point

If you look around, you'll see that communism is DEAD

Communism won't die until critical education dies. Perhaps Communism might be dead in America, but the rest of the world doesn't spend quite so much money pouring right wing propaganda into people's ears.

excon(4345) Disputed
3 points

Hello Q:

Certainly, I'm not a right winger. But, I AM a capitalist. I don't disagree with your synopses in another thread that capitalists take a workers labor just like communists do..

But, instead of talking about how different they are, let's talk about how much they're the same..

In this world, if you wanna play, you're going to pay.. Some call it paying the piper, whoever the piper is. Some call it bribery. The mob calls it the vig.. Governments call it taxes and fees, banks call it interest, and your boss takes some of your labor be he a capitalist or a communist.. Everybody pays.

What I LIKE about capitalism is that you have a CHANCE to improve your lot.

excon

outlaw60(8861) Clarified
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SUPER STUPID Communism is dead in Cuba ? Do you actually believe the nonsense that you spew ?