was bush really that bad
i just want to know if bush is as bad as the democrats make him out to be and please say no or yes and WHY?
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Holy shit you must watch a lot of Fox and nothing else. And I assume Obama has spent absolutely nothing on wall st. bailouts Actually no. The bailout was signed, and voted for by every Republican member of congress months before Obama took office. However, there was 0 strategy as to how the massive funds were to be spent as was typical of that joke of an adminstration. Of course though the far far right (is there a sane right left? are they in hiding?) don't hesitate to pretend either ignorantly or cynically that the bailouts were Obama's idea. Iraq was about our interests No it wasn't. Bush lied, he said they had WMD's. Then he said they were connected to Al Qaeda. The fact is every single inspector not in the Bush adminstration said that Hussein absolutely did not have WMD's, and could not get them like for decades to come. And anyone with a historty book knows that Iraq was majority Shiite, which dislikes Suuni, hence dislikes Al Qaeda, which is why we set up that gov so many years ago, to balance Iran's power. I know, far too confusing for most of today's republicans to keep track of so you get cowboy diplomacy - whatever the fuck that bullshit was. Afghanistan was/is about getting the terrorists Good job! Until of course the right wing figures out a way to twist this little piece of history as well. Michael Steele tried and failed, but these spin doctors will twist that eventually as well mark my words. Side: yes
i am not absolutely sure why he was the worst because i don't listen to the news or care about government Bullshit, but in my opinion and point of view, yes. He made this country sink lower than we could ever think it could, we gave him another chance to change and he left USA alone there to make decisions by itself without a leader. Maybe i am wrong, please correct me if i am Side: yes
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To his credit he had a terrible time to be president (9/11, Katrina, recession etc.) But I judge him based on the biggest piece of his legacy, the liberation of the Iraqi people from Saddam Hussein and the insurgency to follow. the Iraq war has been far too big in my opinion. I believe we could have done just as well against the insurgency in the Middle East with half the troops and half the cost. Side: yes
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There are many progressives who label him as "the worst ever" and historically this is inaccurate, thus my official argument is on this side (but I will argue in the "yes" column after this because he truly did suck) We have had worse presidents in fact, mostly do not to policy but to corruption, but the fact is policy-wise he is in the bottom 10 to 15. He started with the greatest economy in the history of the world, when he left it was the worst recession since the great depression. Economically he is a huge failure. His tax cuts were backwards, actually cost more than the Iraq war, squandered our surplus, and did nothing to improve the middle class. He watched the housing market blow up to ridiculous proportions. Though I don't blame Bush for being a talking head and son of a king, he should have had people to warn him that interest needed to be controlled, and things like sub-prime lending needed to be ended. Also the new practice of "selling debt" to uninterested third parties should have never happened, but it could because of the Bush idea of deregulation in that market. Iraq of course should have never happened. It cost us more money than most countries accumulate in a century, and while it's cool maybe in a decade Iraq will suck a little less, likely eventually another dictator will come in power either put in by Iran, or put in to balance Iran's power (why Hussein was there to start with btw) and things will be much the same but with more cell phones. After 911 the immediate response was awesome. He went on though to use the American spirit to invade Iraq instead of concentrating our full force on Afghanistan. Afghanistan basically became the forgotten war until Obama was back in power. We should have been there the whole time to our full capacity, and we'd be done now if not for Iraq. Also in response he justified the completely unconstitutional Patriot Act - where were these pro-constitutional tea baggers then? That was a far greater encroachment of gov power than anything Obama has done. His general idea of what he called "cowboy diplomacy" made the US one of the most hated States in the world. He had no finesse. He had no idea what "walk softly and carry a big stick" meant. It seemed he had no respect for, and no idea of history. It was as if we elected a 50 some year old frat boy. Truly embarrassing. Both the recent mining disasters, and the oil spill, are a result of his deregulation policies. They both actually killed people and were allowed because for 8 years their was an administration who truly believed anyone with money should do whatever they like, and somehow they would magically care about people and the environment. They do not. Corporations need to be regulated in a democracy or it becomes a Moneyocracy - or something of that sort. Here's what he did right: He was good at helping Africa. A lot of positive things there. ... that's all. Could have been worse though. At least he didn't try to nuke China or something. Side: No
bush was not that bad not HIMSELF it's just becasue he had bad people around him and in his inner circle but bush cut taxes and creteed jobs and manged to manintine good ratings he started a war over the 9 11 attacks becasue america pressured him to do it and at the same time starting to war was better to manitine middle east attack contrals we havent has a terrist threat or attack for nine years becasue of the war Side: No
bush cut taxes and creteed jobs They did not in fact. There is no proof or chart showing a single job was either saved or created. It is what Bush Sr. called "voodoo economics" literally, this idea that you can give those with money, more money, and they will use that money to make jobs or give raises or whatever. It has never in the history of the world worked even once. Those companies and individuals with large profits would use those they already had to make more profits if they thought it possible. If they are not already using that money to make jobs, they don't believe there is a demand. In fact, two economic advisors said as much to Bush Jr. before the cuts, they had to resign. Regan tried it, and he is the first and only to ever triple the national deficit as a direct result. This is why Bush Sr. ran against Regan, and coined the term "voodoo economics" in fact. Unfortunately the good conservatives are retired, dead, or switched to democrat, and all you have left are the crazies who will spew their tax cut for the rich voodoo economics until the world burns around them - which seems to be the plan according to the record number of filibusters today in spite of the worst economy since the great depression. Side: yes
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we havent has a terrist threat or attack for nine years becasue of the war Do you watch the news??? Read the link Side: yes
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No president is perfect and I don't believe him to be as bad as some people seem to think. He had a strong foreign policy with kept us safe after 9/11. The Bush tax cuts were beneficial to the economy. People criticize invading Iraq but it was actually the right thing to do. He saw that oil was running out and he did something about it. He knew that dictators who are rich with oil have leverage over us so he took out Saddam and put in a US friendly government that would continue to supply us with oil. I will acknowledge that his No child left behind didn't work. I know that people are going to try to dispute this but it would really be pointless because you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. Side: No
Great leaders have vision such as JFK. Winston Churchill. From a UK perspective most of us thought Bush was an absolute prat. I would like to know how the American people allowed him to take office after he had fiddled the vote - according to a documentary programme shown in UK, with evidence. Our very own "bush lapdog" Tony Blair is despised in UK for his Bush arse licking. I am open to be better informed by those who actually lived through the Bush era in USA. Side: yes
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He had a strong foreign policy with kept us safe after 9/11. So America has been under less fire from foreigners since 9/11? The Bush tax cuts were beneficial to the economy. Ohh yes, America's economy was doing amazing when Bush finished. People criticize invading Iraq but it was actually the right thing to do. He saw that oil was running out and he did something about it. I thought he went there for the WMD's or because Hussein was a dictator. The fact that he went in for oil obviously means he went to war for the wrong reasons otherwise he wouldn't have had to lie. I know that people are going to try to dispute this but it would really be pointless because you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. It's about wasting time not changing people's minds. Side: yes
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After 9/11 there were no other terrorist attacks on US soil during his term. During Bush's term the economy reached 14000. There downswing happened in his last few months as president. Saddam was a dictator who threatened to cut off our oil supply which would have wreaked havoc to our economy because we have such a high demand for oil which we are barely meeting. Side: No
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