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 we dont need science to evolve. (30)

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we dont need science to evolve.

Sorry for making so many debates, i guess i just have my moments... lol.

Anyways, we do not need science to evolve because of one simple thing, that we are all forgetting: the human element. We dont need science to tell us whats real and whats not, we dont need to wait hundreds of years for science to say, hey, ya this works. We dont need to work our asses off to support something we would never see the likes of in our lifetime.

What we NEED is belief, and we need to start meditating, and realizing that there is way more to reality than what we currently know. Read this carefully: WE DO NOT NEED SCIENCE TO TELL US HOW REALITY WORKS. WE CAN SEE IT FOR OURSELVES. Do you not understand this? People around the world report SOOOOOOOOO many stories of psychic phenomena, why dont we try working on it? Instead of waiting for "top" men to finish our results for us? Fuck them and their research, lets do our own damn research!

Humans evolve through natural selection, this means something cool, yet scary at the same time. NATURAL SELECTION. Well, look at our world today, almost NOTHING is natural anymore, its all ARTIFICIAL. So, the elites at the top are not going to wait around for natural selection, they have turned our society into something that is artificial selection, they are purposedly dumbing us down, this way, imo, the ones who become enlightened will be saved, in a sense. Now, im not saying you are all a bunch of idiots and that im a highly evolved creature, im not. What im saying is this:

The elites at the top are not waiting for natural selection because our planet is becoming overwhelmingly overpopulated, there is not going to be enough jobs soon, not enough food soon, not enough anything, for us peasants, soon. They are using ARTIFICIAL SELECTION. They have turned us against each other so that we kill ourselves and stay conformed to a slave society, like ants. LIFE IS A LESSON AND THEY ARE OUR TEACHERS. They may seem like cruel teachers, but they only want us to realize what we truly are, thats all, and those who dont realize this are going to be dead, literally. Its sad to see it, and i dont want it to happen, 

DONT LET THIS HAPPEN  

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6 points

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You've not actually said why science doesn't work. You just said it didn't, then went on a rambling tirade about psychic phenomena. Tell ya what, how about we compare the two?

Science: Has been proven to provide questions and answers over and over for the past 500 years. Is absolutely crucial to an empirical view of the world. Can make accurate predictions over and over and over again. And is humanity's only way of observing the universe from our arbitrary, minuscule rock in the back end of the universe.

Psychic phenomena: Has nothing but rumours and hearsay to confirm it. Refuses to prove itself when asked. Provides no proven answers to any objective questions. And only looks true through retrofitting and ambiguity.

Science is not some mass corporate conspiracy, it is the one thing that we can depend upon in turbulent times such as these. I'll tell you what; when you can prove to me that the computer that you used to make this debate was a product of psychic phenomena, then I'll take it seriously.

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Dude you need to realize this: if the claims i make are true, which i believe they are, then that means all the most crazy, outlandish, extreme conspiracies, are true. This is why society would have such a hard time believing it is real. not because they dont want to travel interdimensionally, but because it would mean believing in what those "crazy nutjobs" believe in, do you realize this? All conspiracies are tied in to hide this one fact. Conspiracy theorists never look that far back, but when you start looking that far back, it makes ALOT more sense.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
3 points

What you fail to realize is that you are the enemy. You are the sort of person who hides knowledge and pushes people back into dark ages. Your beliefs are the most primitive and superstitious, with conspiracies and magic around every corner.

You have played directly into Their hands. You are beyond just a pawn, you wish to drive knowledge away from humanity and have control over people by tricking them into believing the insane rambling that you do.

And the funniest part? You believe every word you say. You're under their control and you're trying to break free, but the more you struggle, the more you fall straight into the ignorance and religious fervor that allows them to control you.

They are controlling your mind and you have no idea.

You think science and atheism is wrong?

Of course it's wrong- for those in power.

The last thing they want is a smart person who isn't controlled by mindless superstition.

You've played right into their hand, just as they planned.

ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
2 points

This has nothing to do with my post.

You don't need to believe in conspiracy theories to believe that the universe is pretty crazy. I'm an advocate of science, and even I admit that, especially at the quantum level, shit gets crazy. Particles being in two places at once, 95% of the universe being undetectable, whole separate universes colliding to make new ones. It's crazy yes, but it is also scientific.

In fact, compared to science, the answers psychics provide are rather boring. I'm impressed by the stuff I just listed, not some charlatan guessing whether or not I have a dog.

Dremorius(861) Clarified
1 point

So it's true that... everyone is an evil lizard person in disguise!?!?! O:

We should of listened to those crazy people!

mrsci999(41) Disputed
1 point

This whole idea about over population is wrong that basically saying that existant of some of us is an mistake. Nature being a balance technically has no mistakes if you happen to be born but their is so little resource available to sustain you then that just the way of life. Purposely eliminating of a life for absolutely no good reason should definitely be condemed and intolerated. And the most probable reason why an "elite" class would want to eliminate of the poor is possible the fear of the Marx's communism potential.

4 points

Well, this is the most bullshit-ridden piece of shit I've read this weekend, the question doesn't even make sense.

So your entire premise is that, since we don't know everything, we might as well make the rest up instead of finding out the truth.

3 points

Anyways, we do not need science to evolve because of one simple thing, that we are all forgetting: the human element.

Why can't we have both? Why does it have to be one or the other? If we want to evolve as far as learning about the universe, and growing in it to become something bigger, science will be necessary, to grow as people and become more kind and better people, that requires everyone to work on themselves, to want to know the best way to provide ourselves a way of life for everyone, we will need politics. Without any bit of science, we'd still be in the dark ages.

We dont need science to tell us whats real and whats not, we dont need to wait hundreds of years for science to say, hey, ya this works.

So you are saying that we don't need to have our hypothesis based on an observation? We should just keep assuming without any basis for anything? Are you saying that we need no data to verify what we think? That we should just stubbornly stick to our guns no matter what evidence is put in front of us? All science is, is a discipline to seek knowledge which we has been improving over years, with all the discoveries we've made since the beginning of man has been done through science. Science is to searching for the truth as martial arts is to combat, or math is to logic, it is merely a discipline developed to enhance a way of doing things. Science biggest attribute is it helps us weigh the credibility of different ideals about the objective universe and the physical world we live in, without science how do we verify the credibility of those things?

We dont need to work our asses off to support something we would never see the likes of in our lifetime.

Things take time, what specifically are you talking about here? discoveries, or new technologies? We can't just snap our fingers and have both develop right there on the spot. If we don't spend the time to accomplish things in science, what is your alternative? Should we just completely and utterly stop and make no new discoveries and advance no technologies? Give me an instance where we have discovered something without the use of science? then I'll believe you that we don't need science. Then prove to me there is a better way than science to learn, otherwise even if we didn't need science, it's pointless if it's the best we have. I personally would much rather have something going on where we'll discover something long after I die, then to not discover something at all, because everyone after will be that much more educated.

What we NEED is belief, and we need to start meditating, and realizing that there is way more to reality than what we currently know.

Why do we need belief? How does that help us evolve? I think it is actually counterproductive to our evolution, and I don't see how it is in any way productive to evolution. Why do we need to start meditating? Don't get me wrong, I'm all about meditation, but I don't see how we necessarily need it, though is can improve us, it's not necessary. A lot of us, especially Atheists already understand that there is more to this universe than we already know, if we thought that we did know everything already we wouldn't care about science anymore. In fact I think the theists that use the "god gaps argument" need to understand that we don't know everything, more than any non-believers do. Scientists probably understand that we don't know everything better than anyone else, because the reason we have science is because we DON'T know everything, If we knew everything then we wouldn't need science and it would be pointless. The fact that we don't know everything gives us more reason that science is necessary.

Read this carefully: WE DO NOT NEED SCIENCE TO TELL US HOW REALITY WORKS. WE CAN SEE IT FOR OURSELVES.

We can see it for ourselves using science, why does using science necessarily means that we don't see anything for ourselves? I personally would much rather the method of science than anything else, Maybe looking at things scientifically is MY way of seeing things. But in the end whether or not you are right about anything, you are going to have to convince me first, and to convince me I'd need evidence or logic, otherwise what good reason is there to believe anything you try to convince me of?

Do you not understand this? People around the world report SOOOOOOOOO many stories of psychic phenomena, why dont we try working on it?

What do you mean working on it? You seem to be saying a lot of vague things that I can only guess of what you are asking. Do you mean trying to actually discover it? Tell me how do you propose on discovering psychic phenomena without using science? How do we know it is truly real? stories don't mean anything, I can make up all sorts of stories.

Instead of waiting for "top" men to finish our results for us? Fuck them and their research, lets do our own damn research!

You don't have to depend on other scientists to get your facts, if you really want to you can go and do all the research yourself, but to be able to get quality research like them you would have to pour as much resources and money into it as they could, which being a scientist, the government probably gives them money and resources to further there research. What is wrong though with looking at what they discovered, what they see? If they truly have nothing to offer then don't take anything they say for true, if they do have something to offer then don't deny it. It seems as though as you might as well be saying "Don't listen to them because they are scientists" It looks close-minded, there is nothing wrong with taking a look at what others have found. I completely agree with doing our own research, but somethings you can't research yourselves unless you make it a career, like the L.H.S. made to help us understand more about physics, you go try making a 9 billion dollar machine for the purpose of learning about the physical universe on your own. I appreciate what scientists do to try to understand the universe and deserved to be listened to and show what they got, and I can decide on my own based on what they found if they have something going for them.

We choose what evolutionary path we want, and if you don't want science to be apart of it at all, then we might as well be in the dark ages working on everything else, me personally want science to be apart of our evolutionary path, because with science we have so much more understanding about things.

2 points

Probably the most intelligent and well written piece I've seen written on CD in ages.

However, it's clear that Feelingthruth doesn't understand how science works. Reading up on the scientific method, or even visiting a university's science department and asking about what they do would probably blow his mind.

1 point

We dont need external science, we have internal science, the all source, the one consciousness that we all are, it knows all, it is the only truth in this life, so we can learn from it...

We can have observation within ourselves and what we experience, and if everyone has these same experiences, it must be true to an extent, maybe differently for everyone, but its still true.

We have tons of paranormal evidence supporting claims of other realitries that we can visit. UFO sightings daily, from low people to people in the military. This is what they dont tell us, we have had contact in the past with extraterrestrials. If we know UFOs exist and we have the technology for them, why dont they share THAT knowledge with us? Because they want to control us. Look up nikola teslas anti gravity technology, free energy technology...

the nazis said they had help from aliens and they were working on antigravity technology also. This is pretty simple to understand what it means...

To you science is everything and its proving everything, thats great, but to me, and others, science is proving what we already know. This is why i say its pointless, we need to update science to what we already know, but this is what they hold back from us.

Belief is very strong, and if you dont believe you have potential for psychic ability, YOU WILL NEVER OBTAIN IT. THat is the power of belief. Meditation is our method for interdimensional travelling, thats what its truly used for, not just improving health and reducing stress, why do you think they dont teach us about meditation? For these exact reasons that they dont want us to find out... This is where all the conspiracies tie in. The war in iraq is a distraction because they are looking for the ark of the covenant.

What i mean by working on it is meditating. Meditation is the key to life, it is our gateway to everything, especially psychic phenomena.

The large hadron collider and the higgs boson say there are other dimensions. Well guess what? SHAMANS HAVE BEEN CLAIMING THIS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE NOT WRONG.

zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
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e dont need external science, we have internal science, the all source, the one consciousness that we all are, it knows all, it is the only truth in this life, so we can learn from it...

Prove to me that's true. You seem to be claiming that there's some sort of mystical origin of all knowledge inside of us. Prove it to me. Otherwise what the hell are you saying?

We can have observation within ourselves and what we experience, and if everyone has these same experiences, it must be true to an extent, maybe differently for everyone, but its still true.

Once again, what are you talking about? Nobody discovered that there were galaxies in space by "feeling it inside them", nobody discovered that the stars in the sky are giant balls of gas and fire by "experiencing it in themselves", nobody came up with the idea of a black hole by an inside feeling. If you are talking about gut feelings, those are completely useless compared to what science can do. you can't discover HALF or even a QUARTER of the shit we have discovered with just gut feelings that science has.

We have tons of paranormal evidence supporting claims of other realitries that we can visit.

Supply me such evidence then.

UFO sightings daily, from low people to people in the military.

All a U.F.O. is an Unidentified Flying Object, not necessarily aliens, and not necessarily farfetched, plus a lot of alien U.F.O. videos are probably fake, and anyone can say that they saw one.

This is what they dont tell us, we have had contact in the past with extraterrestrials.

Proof?

If we know UFOs exist and we have the technology for them, why dont they share THAT knowledge with us? Because they want to control us.

Conspiracy much?

Look up nikola teslas anti gravity technology, free energy technology...

Nikola Tesla was a genius whom pretty much created our technological world we live in. I doubt that even if he did have any anti-gravity technology, or anything like that it wasn't necessarily aliens.

Plus how does any of this prove we don't need science?

the nazis said they had help from aliens and they were working on antigravity technology also. This is pretty simple to understand what it means...

Were you watching that show "Nazi UFO conspiracies"? where are you getting all this from? how am I supposed to take you seriously.

To you science is everything and its proving everything, thats great, but to me, and others, science is proving what we already know.

Then you are wrong because science doesn't prove things we already know, it advances knowledge, we didn't know about black holes till science proved them, we didn't know about evolution till science proved it, we didn't know about a particle being in two places at once, till science proved it. You can't prove something we already know because it has already been proven, science doesn't go back and keep proving things over and over, we are constantly doing research to learn more about the universe and new researches leading to new discoveries all the time.

Belief is very strong, and if you dont believe you have potential for psychic ability, YOU WILL NEVER OBTAIN IT. THat is the power of belief.

Prove it to me, show me your psychic abilities if you believe that so strongly.

Meditation is our method for interdimensional travelling, thats what its truly used for, not just improving health and reducing stress, why do you think they dont teach us about meditation?

They don't teach us meditation in schools because schools are there to teach us things that we can use in the real world with the exception of P.E. being a movement to cut down obesity. Meditation doesn't necessarily do any inter-dimensional traveling.

For these exact reasons that they dont want us to find out... This is where all the conspiracies tie in. The war in iraq is a distraction because they are looking for the ark of the covenant.

Show me proof of all this conspiracy shit.

What i mean by working on it is meditating. Meditation is the key to life, it is our gateway to everything, especially psychic phenomena.

Ok show me.

he large hadron collider and the higgs boson say there are other dimensions. Well guess what? SHAMANS HAVE BEEN CLAIMING THIS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. OBVIOUSLY THEY WERE NOT WRONG.

Or maybe you are interpreting the shamans wrong? IDK much about shamans but IDK if that is necessarily what they believed and if you are talking about string theory, those other dimensions aren't necessarily worlds, just other parts of our own. for example time is a dimension.

2 points

What you propose is science - making hypothesis, collecting data, and evaluating these beliefs. It just so happens that in doing so, we have found that what you consider to be 'science' is true, while your psychich bullshit is not.

1 point

I think that life, science and evolution are strongly connected with each other. For what we are living if we will not use our brain for develop ourselves and our science. So, science is one of the major thing which lead us to evolve something. Yes, maybe there are some disadvantages and bad consequences of science, but it is a fault of that person who create it, but it is a very big mistake to blame science and say that we don't need it to evolve. I strongly believe that evolution doesn't exist without science and science without evolution..

Your first three paragraphs describe attempting science but rejecting the science of those that have decades of experience and education on their hands? Aside from that being completely stupid, this debate's title is misleading; this is not a debate against science, this is a debate against establishment.

And of course your paragraphs after the first three make this even more obvious. You actually believe that scientists are specifically trying to damage the human race. Not only is this paranoia extreme, almost to the level of neurosis, you also have no evidence to support the idea that it is the fault of men and women with decades of education of experience on their hands, and not just the fault of humanity in general. I will not argue against your paranoia though past that, because it's idiotic, period. You have no evidence, you only contrive reasons out of mental deficiency on your part.

On a somewhat off-topic note, nothing is unnatural that we create. Artificial things are natural. If they were unnatural and against nature, they would not exist. To presume that anything we create is not a work of nature is to presume that we are above nature. We are not above nature.

garry77777(1794) Disputed
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"On a somewhat off-topic note, nothing is unnatural that we create."

Depends on how you define "natural", I'm not trying to say that just because something is natural it is "bad" or "good".

"If they were unnatural and against nature, they would not exist."

Why, why do you assume that nature cannot produce something that works against itself? What evidence, argument, or references can you supply to support that hypothesis?

"To presume that anything we create is not a work of nature is to presume that we are above nature. We are not above nature."

Again, see my 2nd pt., give me evidence, a concrete argument, or even a solid reference proving beyond any resonable doubt that we are not above nature.

I feel I should point that I don't necessarily be;lieve the converse of this vie.

chatturgha(1630) Disputed
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Why, why do you assume that nature cannot produce something that works against itself?

Because everything is basically the work of nature?

What proof do you have that it's even possible for anything to truly to work against nature?

You can be basic about it and talk about damage to the environment, but is that really working against nature? What is it to work against nature?

We all exist within it's confines. How I see it, working against nature is working against the laws of physics. Which of course, cannot be done in any way.

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No, we don't need science to evolve, animals and other organisms have been evolving for millions of years we know this BECAUSE of science.

We can seethe world around us, we can see every morning the sun rises. But WHY? Science is the study of why and how things work. As long is there is curiosity there will be science.