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abortion is wrong abortion is ok
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what about abortion?

you may not know it but a babies heart starts beatin 18 days after conception and you usually dont know until after then that your pregnant so therefore you are killing a child when you get an abortion unless the outcome is going to be you and the child dying then there is no point whatsoever in killing your child. i think that if you get pregnent and dont want to keep the child the right thing to do would be to give it to a baren couple whom long for children.

abortion is wrong

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abortion is ok

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4 points

you have to grasp the concept of abortion before ou say its okay so please go to this website and press space read it all and try to understand please

Supporting Evidence: abortions wrong (scratch.mit.edu)
Side: abortion is wrong
3 points

Abortion is murder! you are killing a human being inside! The baby has already satarted developing and is most certainle wrong! Is killing someone really worth a bad reputaion, being fat, having to take on a new responsibility, or having to go through the pain of birth?!!!!! NO!!!!!

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

well, it is a bad decision to have abortion. even if you had an emotional past or some effect that leads to having abortion, honestly the baby did not do anything to you. what happened to you should not have killed the baby. you call yourself human. taking a life is nothing to go on living or smiling about, and then how could you even begin to wake up everyday knowing you took your own baby's life.. it is cruel and such an evil thing to do.. and i am pretty sure its not our body but in soul were all connected and we never said it was ours to begin with.. your babies are human and deserved to be loved also.. how will they ever know if you end their lives.

Side: abortion is wrong
ryuukyuzo(605) Disputed
4 points

Funny, I would say since the baby hasn't done anything to you, you shouldn't subjugate it to a life of loneliness and misery. There are already enough unloved orphans in the world, why bring in another?

If I had to choose, I would rather my life be ended as a fetus so I can go find another body to live in, perhaps one with a mother whom would want me for a reason greater than guilt. A reason like love.

Side: abortion is ok
Lucifer(2) Disputed
1 point

If I had to choose, I would rather my life be ended as a fetus so I can go find another body to live in, perhaps one with a mother whom would want me for a reason greater than guilt. A reason like love.

So no one can love an adopted child?

Please...your illogical emotive post is utterly pathetic.

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
4 points

even if you had an emotional past or some effect that leads to having abortion, honestly the baby did not do anything to you. what happened to you should not have killed the baby. you call yourself human. taking a life is nothing to go on living or smiling about, and then how could you even begin to wake up everyday knowing you took your own baby's life

A couple critical points:

This

http://blog.bioethics.net/baby.jpg

Is not equal to this

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/spain/uploads/1/foetus.jpg

Or this

http://topnews.net.nz/images/Embryo.gif

A baby is not a foetus or an embryo. The words are not interchangeable. When a woman is pregnant, a baby isn't sitting in her womb for nine months already developed. Calling it a baby is a way to emotionally hijack the topic. It's like calling hamburgers "puppies" in order to make us vegetarians.

Second point: A foetus is not a life. It hasn't lived in the outside world yet and formed an identity.

Side: abortion is ok
2 points

a spider is not human life therefore it is not as precious for it does not have a soul and i for one usually don't kill spiders unless they are of harm!

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

a spider is not human life therefore it is not as precious for it does not have a soul and i for one usually don't kill spiders unless they are of harm!

Nothing has a soul. We simply live. A spider has as much life as you and I.

We consider ourselves more precious because of our minds, and a foetus has no mind.

Side: abortion is ok
Lucifer(2) Disputed
2 points

We consider ourselves more precious because of our minds, and a foetus has no mind.

BS foetuses have brains and central nervous systems...they can feel pain and even hear sounds outside of the womb...do you know anything?

Side: abortion is wrong
Lucifer(2) Disputed
2 points

Nothing has a soul. We simply live. A spider has as much life as you and I.

Your subjective belief..not a fact.

Facts are something that are divorced from your general understanding it seems.

A spider may well have a spider soul.

I guess you are one of these people who THINKS they understand science and nature...if you knew anything about the universe you would know to retain an open mind and not make subjective assumptions based on your lack of experience and knowledge.

Side: abortion is wrong
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
1 point

how can you compare a spider to a human life! a spider is not creative, a spider is not capable of love or emotion, a spider is not very productive, and a spider is an insect not a human. plus a fudus if you want to call it that does have a mind or else it would not be able to curl its toes and suck it's thumb nor would it be able to grow!

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

I do not believe in abortion. You are killing a living breathing human being. I understand why certain people might want to get an abortion, i.e they were raped or can't afford to take care of it, but if that's the case then just give the child to someone else.

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

I do not believe in abortion. You are killing a living breathing human being. I understand why certain people might want to get an abortion, i.e they were raped or can't afford to take care of it, but if that's the case then just give the child to someone else.

This is a human being:

http://dartmed.dartmouth.edu/spring08/images/amazing_human_being_01.jpg

This is a foetus:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/06/foetusREX010606_228x188.jpg

It has no mind. It has no awareness. It is a burden to someone else. This is why abortion exists.

Side: abortion is ok
bciara96(22) Disputed
2 points

What if this was you? What if somebody right now was deciding whether or not to let you live or die?

Side: abortion is wrong
Lucifer(2) Disputed
2 points

The true cause of this 'burden' is the irresponsibilty of idiots which lead to elective abortion.

The second major issue I have with your distastefully anti human post is that you think a human being is only a human being after it has been born...that is scientifically speaking utter garbage...revealing a lack of understanding about human biology.

Abortion is murder.

Pure and simple.

I am no christian incidently...my premise is entirely logical.

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

Month one

Mommy

I am only 8 inches long

but I have all my organs.

I love the sound of your voice.

Every time I hear it

I wave my arms and legs.

The sound of your heart beat

is my favorite lullaby.

Month Two

Mommy

today I learned how to suck my thumb.

If you could see me

you could definitely tell that I am a baby.

I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.

It is so nice and warm in here.

Month Three

You know what Mommy

I'm a boy / girl!

I hope that makes you happy.

I always want you to be happy.

I don't like it when you cry.

You sound so sad.

It makes me sad too

and I cry with you even though

you can't hear me.

Month Four

Mommy

my hair is starting to grow.

It is very short and fine, but i will have a lot of it

I spend a lot of my time exercising.

I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes

and stretch my arms and legs.

I am becoming quite good at it too.

Month Five

You went to the doctor today.

Mommy, he lied to you.

He said that I'm not a baby.

I am a baby Mommy, your baby.

I think and feel.

Mommy, what's abortion?

Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.

I don't like him.

He seems cold and heartless.

Something is intruding my home.

The doctor called it a needle.

Mommy what is it? It burns!

Please make him stop!

I can't get away from it!

Mommy! HELP me!

Month Seven

Mommy

I am okay.

I am in Death's arms.

He is holding me.

He told me about abortion.

Why didn't you want me Mommy?

Every Abortion Is Just . . .

One more heart that was stopped.

Two more eyes that will never see.

Two more hands that will never touch.

Two more legs that will never run.

One more mouth that will never speak.

Did you know that by day 30 you had a heart?

Did you know that by day 42 that that your brain ordered your heart to start beating if it hadn't given the order already?

I bet that you didn't know that if there is brain activity doctors consider a patient alive and has the right to continue living

Life starts at the moment of conception and abortion is therefore immoral, wrong and a waste of time

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

Having an abortion is just pure selfishness, it is is as simple as that. Women make a choice themselves to have sex, and then play god and decide if the child can live or die, making such invalid comments as "its my body its my choice" not realizing that it is not just about them anymore.

You cannot say that a fetus is not human, or not living. Everything about the fetus was made from living organism, and blood and cells ect ect, it took two LIVING breathing humans to make this child. Is a plant not alive simply because it cannot speak? is a microscopic plankton not alive simply because you cannot see it with the naked eye? no. It is as alive as you are.

There is no reason for abortion when there are so many people out there who cannot have children themselves. If a women does not care enough for this child, that she wishes to abort it, then it cannot be hard for her to carry this child and give it to somebody who would love it.

If somebody tried to decide for you, whether you could live or die, you would be angry, that is not a choice they are allowed to make, and it should never be a choice for woman.

Every child deserves a voice, every child deserves to live. Women simply need to wake up and take action for their mistakes. Abortion is murder.

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

Having an abortion is just pure selfishness, it is is as simple as that. Women make a choice themselves to have sex, and then play god and decide if the child can live or die, making such invalid comments as "its my body its my choice" not realizing that it is not just about them anymore.

Selfishless is not illegal, nor should it be.

The fetus is making its home inside the mother's body, thus the choice of its continued residence there should not fall to anyone else but her. I am sure you enjoy being able to decide what medical procedures are performed or not performed on your body.

Is a plant not alive simply because it cannot speak? is a microscopic plankton not alive simply because you cannot see it with the naked eye? no. It is as alive as you are.

If abortion is immoral because the fetus is alive, and all things are equally alive, then abortion is the same as uprooting a weed.

There is no reason for abortion when there are so many people out there who cannot have children themselves.

Foregoing an abortion does not cure the infertility of strangers.

If a women does not care enough for this child, that she wishes to abort it, then it cannot be hard for her to carry this child and give it to somebody who would love it.

There is no shortage of existing children who do not have homes. There is no reason to add to the number.

I am going to guess you have never seriously considered what it might be like to be forced to be pregnant based on what someone else thinks you are allowed to do with your body.

If somebody tried to decide for you, whether you could live or die, you would be angry, that is not a choice they are allowed to make, and it should never be a choice for woman.

No, I wouldn't. If I was a fetus, I would be incapable of anger. If I was conscious, as I am now, I certainly wouldn't be happy, but I would never make another human function as a life support system for me.

Side: abortion is ok
2 points

ABORTION IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S MURDER!!!! You are taking an innocent life, killing it, then throwing it in a garbage! Doesn't that sound almost exactly like murder? If a woman doesn't want the baby, she can put it up for adoption! Everyone says "it's the woman's body, she can do what she wants." NO. It's not her body, it's the baby's body. I think the baby would want a chance to have a precious thing called life.

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

i so dont belive in abortion as iots not the babies fault that the parents wernt clever enought to use a condom or get the implant or some kind of contreception theres lots of different things out there nowadays :O

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

Abortion is not okay. It is the destruction of a defenceless and innocent human life. Despite the occasional case of a woman's life being at risk, the overwhelming majority of abortions are not in such cases.

We would not allow the killing of a two-year-old, a two-month-old, even a two-hour-old in any comparable situation. The fact that the child is unborn makes no difference to the morality of the action.

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

Am I to gain from this the understanding that you believe abortions are acceptable in the occasional case that the pregnancy is harmful?

If so, if the fact that the fetus is not a child 'makes no difference to the morality of the action', then why allow would you allow abortion in any case, ever? There are no cases in which the murder of a two-year-old is permissible and if a fetus and a two-year-old are interchangeable, what is the difference? If the end result is identical for the fetus, why would motivation make a difference?

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked (Psalm 82:3-4).

Rescue those being led away to death; hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, "But we knew nothing about this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it? Will he not repay each person according to what he has done? (Proverbs 24:11-12).

Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? (Job 31:15).

Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you even at my mother's breast. From birth I was cast upon you; from my mother's womb you have been my God (Psalm 22:9-10).

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).

This is what the LORD says—he who made you, who formed you in the womb, and who will help you...(Isaiah 44:2).

Listen to me, O house of Jacob, all you who remain of the house of Israel, you whom I have upheld since you were conceived, and have carried since your birth. Even to your old age and gray hairs I am he, I am he who will sustain you. I have made you and I will carry you; I will sustain you and I will rescue you (Isaiah 46:3-4).

And now the LORD says—he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength (Isaiah 49:5).

The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations" (Jeremiah 1:4-5).

When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy" (Luke 1:41-42, 44).

SO THE BIBLE VERSES HAVE SPOKEN THIS IS WRONG

BUT...

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
4 points

Hosea 13:15-16

“I will have no compassion,

even though he thrives among his brothers.

An east wind from the Lord will come,

blowing in from the desert;

his spring will fail

and his well dry up.

His storehouse will be plundered

of all its treasures.

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,

because they have rebelled against their God.

They will fall by the sword;

their little ones will be dashed to the ground,

their pregnant women ripped open.”

1 Samuel 15:1-3

Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

In other words, the bible teaches us that god cares nothing for the lives of children. Indeed, abortion would be godly behaviour, and don't you wish to emulate god?

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

Who cares what you call it??

A baby/fetus/embryo is living inside the mother. Abortion terminates that life or the process of becoming a life. Ya know what else terminates life? Murder.

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
5 points

Who cares what you call it??

Doctors. Scientists. You know, people who understand the developmental cycle of an embryo and realize that the different stages have different capabilities. An egg is not a chicken and a fetus is not a baby.

A baby/fetus/embryo is living inside the mother.

So is her liver, her heart, and her lungs. In quite a similar way, in fact; they are a part of her system and depend on it to live. If removed from her body, they will die.

Abortion terminates that life or the process of becoming a life.

The law should not protect a potential human life at the expense of an established one.

Ya know what else terminates life?

Stepping on a spider?

Murder.

Oh. I guess stepping on a spider is the same as both abortion and murder, since they all terminate life.

Side: abortion is ok
3 points

^^^totally agree. Last time I checked, murder is wrong so why would you murder whatever you want to call what is living inside the mother.

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

Abortion is wrong!!!!Abortion is wrong!!!!Abortion is wrong!!!!Abortion is wrong!!!!

Thank GOD your mom was PROLIFE!!!!

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

I do not have God to thank for my mother's decision not to abort me.

If my mother had aborted me, I would have no opinion on the matter because I would never have existed.

Side: abortion is ok
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

If my mother had aborted me, I would have no opinion on the matter because I would never have existed.

What an ignorant thought. Of course you would have existed. While you obviously wouldn't realize what was happening, it is still a horrible violation of human rights. Studies have shown again and again that when aborted, the baby is not just a lifeless blob of tissue, it is A LIVING BEING. You jusyt won't accept the evidence. I don't what else must happen to rid you of your foolish thoughts.

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

Human life begins the MOMENT the egg and sperm meet! Life is created and on its way to becoming a sister, brother, mother, father, husband, wife. If you-------------------------->>>> people would thank your lucky stars that YOUR MOM WAS PROLIFE AND CHOSE NO TO ABORTION! SELFISH!!!!

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

well think about this your mom chose to have you what if that were you that was being aborted you wouldn't like it would you

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

If someone got aborted, they wouldn't be around to like it or not. They would have been terminated before they developed a consciousness.

Also, the 'choice' is in pro-choice for a reason. It's fine to for a mother to chose to keep a baby, if she wants to.

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

Month one

Mommy

I am only 8 inches long

but I have all my organs.

I love the sound of your voice.

Every time I hear it

I wave my arms and legs.

The sound of your heart beat

is my favorite lullaby.

Month Two

Mommy

today I learned how to suck my thumb.

If you could see me

you could definitely tell that I am a baby.

I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.

It is so nice and warm in here.

Month Three

You know what Mommy

I'm a boy / girl!

I hope that makes you happy.

I always want you to be happy.

I don't like it when you cry.

You sound so sad.

It makes me sad too

and I cry with you even though

you can't hear me.

Month Four

Mommy

my hair is starting to grow.

It is very short and fine, but i will have a lot of it

I spend a lot of my time exercising.

I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes

and stretch my arms and legs.

I am becoming quite good at it too.

Month Five

You went to the doctor today.

Mommy, he lied to you.

He said that I'm not a baby.

I am a baby Mommy, your baby.

I think and feel.

Mommy, what's abortion?

Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.

I don't like him.

He seems cold and heartless.

Something is intruding my home.

The doctor called it a needle.

Mommy what is it? It burns!

Please make him stop!

I can't get away from it!

Mommy! HELP me!

Month Seven

Mommy

I am okay.

I am in Death's arms.

He is holding me.

He told me about abortion.

Why didn't you want me Mommy?

Every Abortion Is Just . . .

One more heart that was stopped.

Two more eyes that will never see.

Two more hands that will never touch.

Two more legs that will never run.

One more mouth that will never speak.

Did you know that by day 30 you had a heart?

Did you know that by day 42 that that your brain ordered your heart to start beating if it hadn't given the order already?

I bet that you didn't know that if there is brain activity doctors consider a patient alive and has the right to continue living

Life starts at the moment of conception and abortion is therefore immoral, wrong and a waste of time

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

abortion is murder, if you kill a baby who is not 9 months old is the same askilling a 9 month old, murder is murder and they do feel it when they get sucked into a tube ripped apart and thrown away. it is not justifieably its murder just to keep one selfish person's life from having to do work

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

Abortion is horrible. It disgusts me. Why are people so selfish that they would take a life? Does no one care about the miracle of life anymore? Even if a person doesn't want the baby, put it up for adoption! There are many women who are barren, and this give that child, not "Fetus", but PERSON a chance!

Side: abortion is wrong
0 points

please watch this video it is not me but it is a very smart girl probably smarter than all of us

abortion is a no no
Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

Even though this argument contained a segment that invoked religion, I do respect it for supplying more than an endless stream of Bible verses and claims about what God wants or doesn't want.

1. If I somehow find myself in a situation where my survival relies on using someone else's body as a host, then I absolutely support their right to terminate that dependency at the expense of my life, especially if I an incapable of thought or choice. This is why it does not matter to me if a fetus is considered human or not; the government should not force a citizen to sacrifice their right to bodily autonomy for the sake of another living thing, whether or not that living thing is a human. If they did, I don't see why we would not have mandatory organ harvesting from living donors.

2. Not all unwanted pregnancies result from unprotected sex. Also, the choice to have sex (unprotected or not) is not synonymous with the choice to carry a pregnancy to term, in the same way that choosing to smoke is not synonymous with choosing to let lung cancer run its course without seeking treatment.

3. I seriously doubt the validity of all those post-abortion statistics, as a few searches immediately turned up contradicting data. However, even if they are true, it is not the government's job to prevent people from making poor decisions. If it was, then, alcohol, cigarettes, extreme sports, body modification, and any number of 'regrettable' choices would be illegal. Sure, abortion could be safer, and pregnant women could be better educated and supported before and after they make the choice to continue their pregnancy or not. But there are more than sob stories for post-abortion women; there are plenty of women who were grateful for the choice and never looked back.

Side: abortion is ok
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
2 points

what if that person was the reason y u r inside of them u make no since at all all of your disputes are opinions

Side: abortion is wrong
Lama(3) Disputed
0 points

This girl is 12 and quotes Horton. Her arguments are typical and display no originality. Don't get a 12 year old to fight your fights. -.-

Side: abortion is ok
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
2 points

well im thirteen so i no how mature a small mind can be so u see people can be mature!

Side: abortion is wrong
protazoa(427) Disputed
1 point

Im sixteen and have been quite successful on create debate. Age is not everything

Side: abortion is wrong
TheDude(165) Disputed
0 points

Thats not an assessment of the validity of the arguments. Thats just an opinion. I, personally, rather liked her quote from Horton Hears a Who. It lent an emotional side to the arguments she made. Also, I somewhat doubt that she came up with all of those arguments on her own to begin with. However, this is all my own opinion, except my first sentence.

Side: abortion is ok
0 points

The murder of the unborn child is a sin! Its just the same as killing a live child!Everything happens for a reason and to do away with a baby and what could have been is a sin in my eyes!

Side: abortion is wrong
2 points

Think about this. Normally when a 15 year old is hitched up, and is pregnant, her life is ruined. When her life is ruined usually the baby's life is too.

Abortion is needed to stop this, stop ruining our future generations lives and the generation we have now.

Side: abortion is ok
2 points

I think it is ok because the baby doesn't even have the brains to know its being aborted. It technically is alive but its brain isn't developed yet...

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

There's no shortage of orphans, so the "birth it n' ditch it" argument fails hard.

Stop being such an egotistical child. It's not your body, so it's none of your business.

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

......GOD will forgive because that is who he is a forgiving FATHER

Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions. Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin (Psalm 51:1-2).

Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity. Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me (Psalm 51:9-10).

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One (1 John 1:9-2:1).

so i guess it is your own opinion of what you think of it.

so god bless you all AMEN

Side: abortion is ok
3 points

Okay...

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Side: abortion is ok
blayke13(362) Disputed
2 points

God may forgive but I believe one of the commandments is "Thou shall NOT KILL" and when you break one you break them all right? I'm not even a Christian and I know what you're saying is wrong.

Side: abortion is wrong
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
1 point

A human life is not something to ditch. You may consider her an egotistical child but she apparently much smarter than you give her credit for. Show me where in the bible that god forgives deliberate, planned murder. If we become a race that allows the murder of unborn children simply because the mother is not smart enough not to get pregnant in the first place we become a pretty sorry nation. If the baby is the result of rape and is not harmfull to the mother to carry that child, there are plenty of mothers out there waiting for a child that they cannot bring into this world. When a murder is commited, it becomes everybody's business. I'm sorry if she stepped on your toes as one who possibly had an abortion but she wasn't pointing a finger, just stating a fact.

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

A human life is not something to ditch.

That's why we advocate abortion. There are enough orphans in the world who will never have a whole, loving family.

Show me where in the bible that god forgives deliberate, planned murder.

Did you read another post I made on this debate?

Hosea 13:15-16

“I will have no compassion,

even though he thrives among his brothers.

An east wind from the Lord will come,

blowing in from the desert;

his spring will fail

and his well dry up.

His storehouse will be plundered

of all its treasures.

The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,

because they have rebelled against their God.

They will fall by the sword;

their little ones will be dashed to the ground,

their pregnant women ripped open.”

1 Samuel 15:1-3

Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21

If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

If we become a race that allows the murder of unborn children simply because the mother is not smart enough not to get pregnant in the first place we become a pretty sorry nation.

They are not children. Words have a distinct meaning. Children are born, and have minds of their own. A foetus has no mind. It is incomplete, unaware. I think that you need to come to terms with your nature, that like all life we are mechanisms which are built in stages. A foetus is a stage of human without a mind, or awareness of itself. Killing it is like killing a doll.

If the baby is the result of rape and is not harmfull to the mother to carry that child, there are plenty of mothers out there waiting for a child that they cannot bring into this world.

That's what orphans are for.

When a murder is commited, it becomes everybody's business. I'm sorry if she stepped on your toes as one who possibly had an abortion but she wasn't pointing a finger, just stating a fact.

A foetus isn't a child. A foetus cannot be murdered. You need to learn your place, let women make their own decisions without sticking your nose into it.

Side: abortion is ok
zombee(1024) Disputed
2 points

Show me where in the bible that god forgives deliberate, planned murder.

I don't care what the Bible says God forgives and doesn't forgive. Plenty of other people don't, either.

But, just for fun: http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

If we become a race that allows the murder of unborn children simply because the mother is not smart enough not to get pregnant in the first place we become a pretty sorry nation.

As abortion is currently legal, this is no longer an 'if' scenario. Some may say we are in dire straights as a country, but I doubt it is because the government places the rights of a conscious citizen above the interests of an unconscious fetus.

Additionally, it is judgmental and tunnel-visioned to assert that only stupid people get pregnant accidentally. Do not place yourself on a pedestal above people who find themselves in this situation.

If the baby is the result of rape and is not harmfull to the mother to carry that child, there are plenty of mothers out there waiting for a child that they cannot bring into this world.

I think it would take a very strong mental constitution not to be psychologically harmed by carrying to term a pregnancy resulting from rape. I certainly admire the women who decide to do so, but women who decide not to do not deserve punishment; they deserve compassion and support because they have suffered enough.

There is no shortage of available orphans. A woman who chooses to have an abortion (for any reason, not just rape or health-related) is not cruelly ripping away some innocent stranger's dream of having a child.

When a murder is commited, it becomes everybody's business. I'm sorry if she stepped on your toes as one who possibly had an abortion but she wasn't pointing a finger, just stating a fact.

Earlier, it seems you implied abortion is acceptable if carrying the pregnancy to term will harm or kill the mother. Correct me if I am wrong and I will revise. Because it is for a reason you consider valid, it is no longer murder? If the answer is yes, it is still murder, why do you allow murder in some cases but not others? If the answer is no, it is no longer murder, why should your opinion be the determining one for deciding what is a valid reason to get an abortion?

She is not really stating facts, she is rambling incoherently, getting worked up, and ignoring opposing arguments. If you are her parent, you may want look around this site and see what the average discourse consists of, for the sake of both herself and the site. She may be a little young to participate.

Side: abortion is ok
2 points

Month one

Mommy

I am only 8 inches long

but I have all my organs.

I love the sound of your voice.

Every time I hear it

I wave my arms and legs.

The sound of your heart beat

is my favorite lullaby.

Month Two

Mommy

today I learned how to suck my thumb.

If you could see me

you could definitely tell that I am a baby.

I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.

It is so nice and warm in here.

Month Three

You know what Mommy

I'm a boy / girl!

I hope that makes you happy.

I always want you to be happy.

I don't like it when you cry.

You sound so sad.

It makes me sad too

and I cry with you even though

you can't hear me.

Month Four

Mommy

my hair is starting to grow.

It is very short and fine, but i will have a lot of it

I spend a lot of my time exercising.

I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes

and stretch my arms and legs.

I am becoming quite good at it too.

Month Five

You went to the doctor today.

Mommy, he lied to you.

He said that I'm not a baby.

I am a baby Mommy, your baby.

I think and feel.

Mommy, what's abortion?

Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.

I don't like him.

He seems cold and heartless.

Something is intruding my home.

The doctor called it a needle.

Mommy what is it? It burns!

Please make him stop!

I can't get away from it!

Mommy! HELP me!

Month Seven

Mommy

I am okay.

I am in Death's arms.

He is holding me.

He told me about abortion.

Why didn't you want me Mommy?

Every Abortion Is Just . . .

One more heart that was stopped.

Two more eyes that will never see.

Two more hands that will never touch.

Two more legs that will never run.

One more mouth that will never speak.

Did you know that by day 30 you had a heart?

Did you know that by day 42 that that your brain ordered your heart to start beating if it hadn't given the order already?

I bet that you didn't know that if there is brain activity doctors consider a patient alive and has the right to continue living

Life starts at the moment of conception and abortion is therefore immoral, wrong and a waste of time

Side: abortion is wrong
ryuukyuzo(605) Disputed
0 points

There's just so many things wrong with your post... let's list them. ;)

1. I agree, human life is not something to ditch. Better it be aborted first.

2. On this issue, she's as wrong as possible

3. The bible is garbage. I would sooner trust my arguments to logic than some dogmatic fiction novel. If you had any intelligence, you would do the same.

4. We aren't a race, we're a species. Unless you're trying to say that it's only wrong for one race to get abortions... XD

5. "Sorry nation" is a non-cognitive opinion, therefore has no base in reality.

6. There is no shortage of orphans. Parents wanting children but can't conceive can easily adopt if they want to any time. Your argument is moot.

7. No, you're just egotistical and assume everything you personally don't approve of is your business.

8. There were no "toes" being stepped on. She made a logical error and I corrected her.

Wow, literally every sentence in your post made some kind of fallacy. Some even made two.

That. Is. Hilarious. ;)

Side: abortion is ok
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
1 point

IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, IT ISN'T YOUR BODY EITHER. THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT OUR BODY'S ARE A TEMPLE TO GOD. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR BIRTH AND OUR DEATH AND OUR LIFE ON EARTH IS TO BE A TESTAMENT TO HIM

Side: abortion is wrong
Manastacious(22) Disputed
2 points

"He is responsible for our birth and our death"

So, wouldn't he be reesponsible for the abortion? That is saying the abortion is killing a human life, which it is not.

Side: abortion is ok
ryuukyuzo(605) Disputed
2 points

You're cap lock is on. ;)

It isn't my body and it isn't your body, therefore you have the right to tell her what she can and can't do with it?

yeah, that's a rock-solid argument, you ego-centric hypocritical fool.

If God doesn't want abortions to happen then why are there so many still-births? Why does God abort so many of his own children is he finds it immoral? Is God a hypocrite too? (rhetorical)

Side: abortion is ok
blayke13(362) Disputed
1 point

So if it's not your body and you CHOOSE to give up a child of God's...isn't that baaaaaad?

Side: abortion is ok
0 points

Yes, type in caps, we can hear you better that way.

IF YOU WANT TO GET TECHNICAL, IT ISN'T YOUR BODY EITHER.

If you want to get religious, perhaps. If you want to get technical, then it is your body.

THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT OUR BODY'S ARE A TEMPLE TO GOD.

The Bible is filled with horseshit.

HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR BIRTH AND OUR DEATH AND OUR LIFE ON EARTH IS TO BE A TESTAMENT TO HIM

No, your mother is responsible for your birth, you are responsible for your life and time is responsible for your death.

Side: abortion is ok
13028699(46) Disputed
1 point

Month one

Mommy

I am only 8 inches long

but I have all my organs.

I love the sound of your voice.

Every time I hear it

I wave my arms and legs.

The sound of your heart beat

is my favorite lullaby.

Month Two

Mommy

today I learned how to suck my thumb.

If you could see me

you could definitely tell that I am a baby.

I'm not big enough to survive outside my home though.

It is so nice and warm in here.

Month Three

You know what Mommy

I'm a boy / girl!

I hope that makes you happy.

I always want you to be happy.

I don't like it when you cry.

You sound so sad.

It makes me sad too

and I cry with you even though

you can't hear me.

Month Four

Mommy

my hair is starting to grow.

It is very short and fine, but i will have a lot of it

I spend a lot of my time exercising.

I can turn my head and curl my fingers and toes

and stretch my arms and legs.

I am becoming quite good at it too.

Month Five

You went to the doctor today.

Mommy, he lied to you.

He said that I'm not a baby.

I am a baby Mommy, your baby.

I think and feel.

Mommy, what's abortion?

Month Six

I can hear that doctor again.

I don't like him.

He seems cold and heartless.

Something is intruding my home.

The doctor called it a needle.

Mommy what is it? It burns!

Please make him stop!

I can't get away from it!

Mommy! HELP me!

Month Seven

Mommy

I am okay.

I am in Death's arms.

He is holding me.

He told me about abortion.

Why didn't you want me Mommy?

Every Abortion Is Just . . .

One more heart that was stopped.

Two more eyes that will never see.

Two more hands that will never touch.

Two more legs that will never run.

One more mouth that will never speak.

Did you know that by day 30 you had a heart?

Did you know that by day 42 that that your brain ordered your heart to start beating if it hadn't given the order already?

I bet that you didn't know that if there is brain activity doctors consider a patient alive and has the right to continue living

Life starts at the moment of conception and abortion is therefore immoral, wrong and a waste of time

Side: abortion is wrong
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

This is nothing but hacky, sickening propoganda manufactured to instill guilt and fear in anyone considering abortion.

A one, two, three, etc. month old fetus isn't thinking anything, much less babbling to itself about how much it loves its mommy. The most conservative estimates put fetus's the ability to feel pain at 20 weeks, a date after which abortions are incredibly rare, and likely to be for reasons of an inviable fetus or the mother's health. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg )

Even this assertion, notably used in pro-life legislation ( http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18785-briefing-new-law-claims-a-fetus-can-feel-pain.html ) trying to whittle down the likelihood of a woman getting abortion by any means possible (scrupulous or not) is debated by evidence from various studies that place the ability to feel pain at 24-26 weeks.

http://theweek.com/article/index/204531/ can-fetuses-feel-pain

The ability to form any semblance of consciousness probably comes well after pain response, making this piece of chain mail nothing but a slanted fabrication that unrealistically anthropomorphizes the fetus. This particular type of argument abortion is particularly repugnant to me because it relies on lies and misrepresentation to prey on people who are at a vulnerable time in their lives and turn them away from a solution they may otherwise have considered.

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

you may not know it but a babies heart starts beatin 18 days after conception and you usually dont know until after then that your pregnant so therefore you are killing a child when you get an abortion unless the outcome is going to be you and the child dying then there is no point whatsoever in killing your child. i think that if you get pregnent and dont want to keep the child the right thing to do would be to give it to a baren couple whom long for children.

It's a blastula, then embryo, then foetus. It is never a child, for child refers to the immature birthed. A baby refers to the recently birthed.

If a mother wants to get pregnant and then abort it is her right to do so. It is none of your business to tell her what she may do with her body, especially when it is such an intimate and emotional decision.

Side: abortion is ok
bciara96(22) Disputed
1 point

So are you saying it's okay to kill something that could potentionally be someone just like you? I can see how it isn't up to you to decide for anyone else, but do you believe that it's okay?

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
2 points

So are you saying it's okay to kill something that could potentionally be someone just like you? I can see how it isn't up to you to decide for anyone else, but do you believe that it's okay?

It doesn't matter what it could become. It only matters what it is presently.

Side: abortion is ok
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
2 points

If you've ever masturbated, or had a period, then you've killed something that could potentially be someone just like you. You're argument is not logic, it is emotion.

Side: abortion is ok
0 points

So are you saying it's okay to kill something that could potentionally be someone just like you? I can see how it isn't up to you to decide for anyone else, but do you believe that it's okay?

That is exactly what these inhuman murderous animals are saying.

;)

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

Let's start with a crude reality just to set the tone, shall we? We already have enough people, and I could do without some living ones as it is.

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Now let's go to the more accepted question in this debate, "when does life begin?" Well, to me, I cannot claim I was alive before I was consiously able to recognize it. This is not to say I wasn't, but it is to say there is an indeterminate level of ambiguity. To what range varies from person to person. Those that claim to know when life begins are ignorant to this reality. Thereby, we shall not instate laws against an amorphous concept.

Side: abortion is ok
Lucifer(2) Disputed
1 point

Let's start with a crude reality just to set the tone, shall we? We already have enough people, and I could do without some living ones as it is.

Indeed, lets start by executing abortionists.

Their dying screams...like music to my ears ;)

Side: abortion is wrong
aveskde(1935) Disputed
3 points

Indeed, lets start by executing abortionists.

Their dying screams...like music to my ears ;)

Odd how violent you are, and the lack of respect you have for human life. I may kill foetuses but I don't pretend to hold all life as sacred, and I rationally defend my thoughts. You scream insincere sanctimony, claiming to have a moral high ground while approving a deed that is the very definition of murder.

Side: abortion is ok
Akulakhan(2973) Disputed
1 point

Well tell me, why are you against abortion? And, if you would, react to the remaining post of mine above.

Side: abortion is ok
LenaHMorris(44) Disputed
0 points

can anyone consciously remember when they were one year old no but does that mean you were not alive of course not your brain just hadn't consciously developed a memory stream yet ps the definition of living: consisting of a heartbeat

a heartbeat starts within 18 days within conception

Side: abortion is wrong
Akulakhan(2973) Disputed
0 points

Dictionary.com's definition of living

liv·ing   

[liv-ing]

adjective

1.

having life; being alive; not dead: living persons.

2.

in actual existence or use; extant: living languages.

3.

active or thriving; vigorous; strong: a living faith.

4.

burning or glowing, as a coal.

5.

flowing freely, as water.

6.

pertaining to, suitable for, or sufficient for existence or subsistence: living conditions; a living wage.

7.

of or pertaining to living persons: within living memory.

8.

lifelike; true to life, as a picture or narrative.

9.

in its natural state and place; not uprooted, changed, etc.: living rock.

10.

very; absolute (used as an intensifier): to scare the living daylights out of someone.

noun

11.

the act or condition of a person or thing that lives: Living is very expensive these days.

12.

the means of maintaining life; livelihood: to earn one's living.

13.

a particular manner, state, or status of life: luxurious living.

14.

( used with a plural verb ) living persons collectively (usually prec. by the ): glad to be among the living.

15.

British . the benefice of a clergyman.

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

Aside from religious views, there are more ways to look at abortion. By any means, abortion should never be encouraged because it is, indeed the killing of a life and we do not have the right to determine the undertaking of any life, save for our own. However, there are exceptional cases where abortion would be acceptable.

First and foremost. Abortion should never occur simply because of teenage pregnancy - a reason for abortion that has become more prevalent in recent years. That is because teenagers have to understand and take up the responsibility of what they have done. If they had had sex, then it's of utmost importance that they take up any consequences that come along with it. Thus abortion should not be encouraged if it is an escape route for people to run away from problems.

But, however, there are also reasons why abortion should be acceptable and one reason would be if it puts the mother's health at risk. If the mother of the child faces numerous health issues such a cancer, high blood pressure, it is of grave importance that we weight the pros and cons of the pregnancy. For if the childbirth of a newborn forsakes the life of the mother, aren't we killing another life as well? Of course, it is up to the couple as to whether which option they wish to take, but their opinions should be duly respected because the mother's life is at risk.

Side: abortion is ok
zombee(1024) Disputed
1 point

Aside from religious views, there are more ways to look at abortion. By any means, abortion should never be encouraged because it is, indeed the killing of a life and we do not have the right to determine the undertaking of any life, save for our own. However, there are exceptional cases where abortion would be acceptable.

Please tell me why you are the authority on which 'killings' are okay, and which are not.

First and foremost. Abortion should never occur simply because of teenage pregnancy - a reason for abortion that has become more prevalent in recent years. That is because teenagers have to understand and take up the responsibility of what they have done. If they had had sex, then it's of utmost importance that they take up any consequences that come along with it. Thus abortion should not be encouraged if it is an escape route for people to run away from problems.

Abortion is a consequence. Do you think it is a comfortable, fun activity people undergo in their leisure time? It is an emotionally trying, incredibly difficult decision to make, and it can be a scary and uncomfortable procedure in the best of cases. Especially for young people, it may be one of the most trying and terrifying periods of their lives. It is sadistic to force teenage girl through a pregnancy because her judgment lapsed, or her contraception failed her. Do you also advocate that if someone gets a curable disease from sex, that they do not seek treatment because it would be 'running away from problems' and refusing to 'take up consequences'?

But, however, there are also reasons why abortion should be acceptable and one reason would be if it puts the mother's health at risk. If the mother of the child faces numerous health issues such a cancer, high blood pressure, it is of grave importance that we weight the pros and cons of the pregnancy. For if the childbirth of a newborn forsakes the life of the mother, aren't we killing another life as well? Of course, it is up to the couple as to whether which option they wish to take, but their opinions should be duly respected because the mother's life is at risk.

It's sweet that you are so concerned about the mother's life. I only wish you were as concerned about her right to not be relegated to the rank of incubating machine for a fetus she doesn't want.

Stop using 'we' as if a pregnancy between two people who are not you is an event in which your opinion matters.

Side: abortion is ok
ervinroe(3) Disputed
1 point

"Please tell me why you are the authority on which 'killings' are okay, and which are not."

First and foremost, I never deemed myself as the authority or make it mandatory for people to strictly follow what I deem as acceptable or unacceptable situations for abortion. Instead, what I did was set out generic examples on why abortion should be acceptable and unacceptable. If we were to debate about specific cases, there would be no end to possibilities that we could conjure. And secondly, I never wrote that 'killings were okay', I used the word acceptable throughout my point, and that brings a different weightage and seriousness to the issue. Not just one where, it is "okay" or "not okay" as if we were picking vegetables at a supermarket.

"Abortion is a consequence. Do you think it is a comfortable, fun activity people undergo in their leisure time? It is an emotionally trying, incredibly difficult decision to make, and it can be a scary and uncomfortable procedure in the best of cases. Especially for young people, it may be one of the most trying and terrifying periods of their lives. It is sadistic to force teenage girl through a pregnancy because her judgment lapsed, or her contraception failed her. Do you also advocate that if someone gets a curable disease from sex, that they do not seek treatment because it would be 'running away from problems' and refusing to 'take up consequences'? "

I never implied that abortion is a painless process, it is a very physically and emotionally painful process that may scar one for life. But what I'm trying to say here is that, teenagers should not treat abortion as a last minute measure to 'save themselves' when they indulge in that momentary 'lapse of judgement'. Instead, they should face up to what they have did and actually consider about raising the life that they created and not kill it simply because they just wanted the pleasure of sex at the point and nothing else. Of course I'm generalizing here by saying that teenagers are irresponsible people, but truth be told, many teenagers choose abortion as the easy way out, when actually they might be able to raise a child with the support of their families. How then, should abortion amongst these teenagers be condoned? Moreover, having curable diseases (I presume you're referring to STDs in this case) is yet another responsibility that has to be undertaken because of what you mentioned a 'lapse of judgment'. STDs occur, why? Because both parties weren't truthful about their past sexual experiences or had numerous sexual partners? If that was a mistake on their part, then yes, they should face it in the same way we should consider BOTH abortion and having a family. And not just choose abortion as the easy route route. Besides, when you're sick, you get treated am I right? There's only one option. When one is pregnant, she can choose to keep the child or abort it, that's two options. I see no relation between the two issues.

"It's sweet that you are so concerned about the mother's life. I only wish you were as concerned about her right to not be relegated to the rank of incubating machine for a fetus she doesn't want.

Stop using 'we' as if a pregnancy between two people who are not you is an event in which your opinion matters."

I do not see how you have thought of me treating the mother as an incubating machine for if I were to have done that, I would not have brought up the point pertaining to the mother's health risks during the pregnancy and it's grave importance. And secondly, I do not see why you have labelled a mother for "incubating a fetus she doesn't want" For if she doesn't want the fetus, she would not have gotten pregnant in the first place would she? Lastly, I have actually simply gave my honest opinions on the issue and not forced my opinions. I never said that if a mother is not in the perfect health state, she should definitely abort the baby. I instead mentioned that the couple's opinions should be duly respected and of course, be of the most importance. I simply brought up the point in which if a mother's health is at risk, abortion would be acceptable to avoid the loss of an innocent life at the expense of another.

Side: abortion is wrong
1 point

You may absolutely hate me and I may be directly damaging this side of the argument, but, I pose a question within the question. If Abortion were absolutely illegal and everyone gave away the children they didnt want, how would that affect the world? If you establish that its the people who are irresponsible that get pregnant in an unplanned way(Remove rape and those from the equation and address the other 99%), then whats to constitute that these people are intelligent are hold worthwhile philosophies or morals or even favorable characterists? By removing Abortion, you destroy the last failsafe Humanity has at keeping Survival of the Fittest in place. This argument may sound as though it lacks morals, But I hold the stance that this argument is looking out for the future of mankind. If those who had the babies give them to other families that are more responsible, they are far less likely to have children of their own or have adopted because they cannot, correct? As such, the more intelligent, fiscally and generally responsible people have the children they want or need to satisfy their biological need for children. Therefore, the only ones who have children end up being the stupid, irresponsible, unfavorable people. It would lead to a generation beyond saving with logic. Man would basically fail after a while as well do to a lack of genetic Diversity. So basically, since Society in its own prevents Human natural Survival of the fittest, we substitute in Abortion so that we dont have instances like the movie Idiocracy occur. Abortion is a necessary evil. One that is far less brutal than true survival of the fittest. Although we may acknowledge that it is bad in some instances, Abortion is required for the continued existence of an intelligent Man. Is this or is this not irrefutable? You could make the argument that all you must do is educate those who are NOT aborted. Where will you find the educators or the ability to correctly pass on or correctly interpret all the information Man has accumulated? These are questions that require answers before I disperse my Argument. Until then, I leave you with the note that I acknowledge that Idiocracy is a film with obvious spin, but I am more so attempting to identify the point is makes rather than the farce it is.

Side: Abortion is a necessary Evil
1 point

I am actually pro-abortion but pro-choice will suffice. Human beings are moral agents, moral agents are moral because we are perceivers and valuers, the ability to perceive and value is only possible when we are conscious. it is therefore our being consciousnes that gives us moral agency.

Prior to and independent of our consciousness (and by consiousness, I mean both waking and sleeping levels), our bodies are only able to be classified as human insofar as moral agency is concerned. The term "human-being" really only applies to humans that embody all the distinctions which are sufficient for moral agency. It is only then that we are truly identifiable as human-beings. a hand that is detached is not a human being, an eye, an ear, a heart, leg, etc... these are all just part of the whole, and even when assembled we are not yet a person unless we have the conscious element.

Since consciousness only becomes possible at the onset of the third trimester ~ 26 weeks, it is immoral to kill, what I would then call a child. Prior to consciousness the fetus is a fetus, not having moral agency because it lacks the sufficient condition of personhood. Many people like to think about potentiality arguments with regard to a fetus, that it could become conscious. However, potential doesnt relate to the here and now and are therefore invalid insofar as the moral status of the action (abortion) is concerned.

Potentiality arguments actually are appropriate as justifications contrary to pro-life opinions because they are valid when speaking of a fetus that will not be aborted, this is because it will almost certainly gain consciouness. For females that are too young to be mothers due to their immaturity as humans - generally thought of as anything younger than the age of majority (18) but also could extend to any age since mental and emotional maturity are only related to age in childhood adolescence and young adulthood - the potential life of the child has a 98-99% chance of being very impoverished both developmentally and with regards to being a productive member of society. The potential life will likely suck a lot.

Thus...

If moral agency is not established and the life will likely suck, abortion is the ideal choice. Abortion is an a-moral action (not having moral status) prior to the onset of consciousness. So in light of this people should be having more abortions. I think it is more responsible to abort a child that is unwanted and who's life will probably suck, than it is to not. the notion of responsibility should always be predicated upon the quality of the potential child's life - if its life will likely be impoverished it is irresponsible to have it. "Taking responsibility for the mistake of not using protection" is a bad way to think of it.

So I say ...

- Be moral, have an abortion (not a joke)

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

women have a very upsetting time when they have to decided to end a pregnancy, alot of thought goes into it, its not something that is planned over night. its the most heartbreaking decision you may need to ever make for you. for what ever reason this has to be done, the woman knows..she, her body has to deal with and face the painful descision.some may feel a weight has left their burden shoulders when its over, some can still miss what was growing inside them.some feel extreme guilt. but none jump for joy,some wish they didnt have to be in that position. some men are no support, some men may not understand why the women chooses this path..but remember one thing, judge if you must, but its not your body that goes through the changes, it not your body it is taking over. the women stands alone on this one, its her body her property.. alot of women cantcope with going through to birth. from the moment you find out your pregnant you should no wether or not you want it..birth control does not always work. things can happened, out of your control which can lead to pregnancy. either way it was the right descisian for them.. they have to live with their feelings afterwards.. they need to forgive themselfs, and god will do the same....

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

no abortion is nice. getting over one is painful and emotional enough, dont make a habit of it..........

Side: abortion is ok
1 point

does the unborn baby have a soul whilst in the womb, or does it travel there whens its born..

Side: abortion is ok

If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: abortion is ok
0 points

Why does everyone state passages from the bible as if it hold some authority on the topic. Most people do not subscribe to the validity of your old books on any topic so please stop using it to try and convince people of your perspective.

Side: abortion is ok
str8karma(3) Disputed
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Im not quoting any verses, Im just stating the fact that your mommy chose life... so what is up with that??? Maybe she should have exercised what you agree with? That would really suck, I think.

Side: abortion is wrong