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Debate Score:244
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what gender has it easier women or men?

women

Side Score: 129
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men

Side Score: 115
8 points

For one week each month, they go through hell. But other than that, 75+% of their lives is easy. Affirmative action works in favor for women. Men have to do all of the work in relationships. Men have been culturally mandated to "bring home the bacon". Many wives like to point out their husbands' wrongdoings and they like to nag them as well. Women get time off from work just because they're pregnant.

Side: women
isashellbell(45) Disputed
3 points

Well Mr. Iced, you are very biased.

"bring home the bacon" started in a sexist time... times are still sexist, I see. Men do not always 'bring home the bacon,' that was merely a saying that some curly-wig men made to feel better about themselves. Women may nag their husbands, but that's because they're the backbone of the household. Oh, and it also may have something to do with the fact that sexist-(ism?) is very common and FRUSTURATING.

Women's time off from work "just because they're pregnant"... ok, that was like the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Pregnancy and birth are commonly known as the most painful experiences, next to stones.

"Men have to do all the work in relationships"

Since fucking when?

That is a VERY gross assumption. I know plenty of guys who've made crappy boyfriends because they never did anything, like planning events or contributing to 'love' or anything like that....

BOOM. Shut down.

Side: men
8 points

I'm truly sorry. I tried to act like the contemporary JC, which I do quite often. It's just that this time I forgot to wink at the end.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to bring home the bacon. ;)

Side: women
jobosno(5) Disputed
4 points

Was he really shut down if you're saying that MEN make crappy boyfriends because they DON'T do the work?

Side: women
shaneyam99(112) Disputed
3 points

that was not much of an ARGUMENT i dont see how you supported the fact that men had it easier? i think an example would have helped to show how men had it easy

Side: women
Azze(107) Disputed
3 points

I see where are you coming from with all your points. But times have changed so get with it. The whole "bring home the bacon" more and more women are going to work and busting their bums while more and more men stay at home to become a "house wive." Not only that but most men have this idea in their head that they do need to bring home the bacon despite the changes feel that they should be the one who makes the most money and provides more financially to the household.

Also it is more common to see "paternity leave" nowadays. It's not like maternity leave where they get X amount of time of post pregnancy but they get things called "daddy days" where they can call in and say "Hey my kid has ____ to do or whatever" and they get that day off with pay.

Side: men
SillyGirl24(2) Disputed
3 points

Well I agree with the other disputes against this, but I would also like to add that when a women gets time off from work "just because they are pregnant" that they are going through sickness and carrying extra weight on their bodies. Not to mention going through the actual labor part afterwards, which is said to be one of the most painful things anyone could ever go through.

Side: men
NotYet(8) Disputed
3 points

A lot of what you said is completely ridiculous. First of all, assuming that your claim about culturally mandated gender roles is true, isn't it just as bad that women are expected to give up on their goals and stay at home to take care of the babies? Secondly, as many women want to work, much of the pressure to "bring home the bacon" has been taken off the men. Many women are their family's breadwinners. Thirdly, though wives are often stereotyped as naggers, it is not a valid claim. It is as ridiculous as saying that women are the cause of most divorces. There is no valid proof. It would be just as easy to say that women have it harder because husbands can't stand criticism. Finally, maternity leave is a very important privilege. When women get close to having their children, they must have time off work to ensure that they do not go into labor at the workplace or endanger their child's life by putting too much stress on their bodies before work. They also need some time off after they give birth because the child needs its mother as a food source, and childbirth is exhausting. The mother needs time to recuperate. In addition, the fact that women need maternity leave often makes it harder for them to get jobs. Employers are reluctant to give them paid maternity leave, so they often don't hire women who are, or they think may get pregnant.

In conclusion, your arguments focus too closely on stereotypes and not enough on the very real needs of either gender.

Side: men
politcian246(3) Disputed
2 points

Is it just me but you are terribly sexist. Women have to cope every month with hell. For 30 years they have hell each month. Being pregnant is pretty hard while having to go to work. Would you like it if you went to work and needed to puke and feel ill all the time. I think not! Men hardly do anything. Lots of women work and bring food on the table just like men do! I don't know what time you are living but to me it sounds like 1800s!

Side: men
grapesoda(1) Disputed
2 points

Obviously men have it easier than women. Everyday women are forced to deal with the social pressures that get put on through the media. All the arguments saying that women have it easier than men are simply based off stereotypes from the past that people need to realise are NOT relevant in modern society.

Side: men
7 points

in the modern world, women are easier because usually the men do all the hard and tough work in the more economically developed countries/ continents such as US, Europe, Australia etc., although in less economically developed countries/ continents such as Africa,Iraq etc., women have to do hard work as well as men. In Kenya, a lot of people are poor there and have no money, and since the desertification there in the Sahel is getting serious, people have to take their oversized herds over the borders to get water, and these are usually done by men.

Side: women
isashellbell(45) Disputed
3 points

As far as I'm concerned, mothering and LABOR like that are some of the 'tough'est and 'hard'est words.

And women don't participate in some of these 'hard and tough' jobs you speak of (I assume you're talking about doctors, presidents, etc.) because women are still not completely accepted in that type of workforce. After all, we've made an amazing comback from the times when women were the cooks and cleaners and breeders and couldn't vote.

But we're getting there!

According to me, such a comeback is a pretty damn HARD AND TOUGH thing to do.

Side: men
elonca1(3) Disputed
3 points

a woman has the right to choose whether or not she has a child...besides, being kicked in the bollocks hurts too, you know (or dont, whatever), and we dont get to choose if we have cojones or not (lets not go into sex changes)

Side: women
7 points

From the cradle to the grave, women are catered to and pampered. Women benefit from holidays such as Valentines Day, which exists only to please women. Any woman who denies this is a liar.

In any given relationship, women have the automatic control. They have the advantage right from the moment the man approaches her.

Young boys are taught the art of chivalry. No one can explain why chivalry still exists when women are more than capable of holding their own doors open and paying for themselves. Men are taught that they exist to please and serve women their whole lives

Women get away with the most. Even women would have to agree with me here. They do some of the cruelest, coldest things to others and get off Scott free just because they are cute females. Case in point, the woman that drowned her five children and got off on the basis of insanity. What would happen if a man did that? He'd be awaiting his injection at this very moment.

Women are able to LIE about rape and get away with it. About half of all rape accusations are false, yet there is little to no penalty for this. No one seems to care that to EVEN BE ACCUSED of rape can RUIN someone's life and label them a bad person forever

Women just have it easier. Men have the most pressure to succeed. We have to be the breadwinners. If we make less than our woman, we a failures.

If we don't have a woman at all, we are losers. We aren't "independent men with pride who don't need a woman". No, we are just losers

Side: women
4 points

Your argument about rape goes for abuse as well. Some counselors will even encourage a woman considering divorce to claim that she was abused, because he will not be tried for it and it will work out in the woman's favour.

Side: women
4 points

You said it! How about women who sleep with their students and get house arrest, whereas men would be thrown in jail with no parole.

Side: women
5 points

with all this pc stuff nowadays, i'd say women have it easier than men. eg if i picked a woman over a man for a job when the woman is better suited, that'd b fine. but if i picked a man over a woman because he was better or smarter, that'd would be seen as sexism by most...not all...most

Side: women
5 points

As much as I do feel that being a male is easier, women do have their advantages. Be honest ladies, how many times have you flicked on the ole charm and showed a little skin to get what you want? And now how many times has it worked? See men can but on a sly smile and have a charming attitude but when it comes down to it, women are not as easily played as men are. Women have more going through their minds and bodies then when are they going to have sex next. But having the advantage of putting a little more "oomff" pays off more then it does for men.

Side: women
4 points

It's scientifically proven that most women are more in touch with their emtions than men. This, likely is an evolutionary trait built on the premise that women were ment to take care of the children, while men would get food. In today's society, much hasn't changed. Mom stays at home, taking care of the kids, Dad goes to work (of course, it is slowly changing as more and more women become employed).

It is then this emotional intelligence and awareness that lets women cope with the problems that they face from day to day. Women also have to have female friends. These social circles provide support and comfort to the attendees, when all their emotional awareness is quantified together.

Men, on the other hand, do not have such circles and are far more competitive. Emotions like greed, jealousy, spite and anger can be commonplace in a testosterone fueled workplace.

Conclusion: Because women are usually more in touch with their emotions, they can to some extent, handle day to day life better than men, especially when their friends are around. However, most men have a competitive attitude in the workplace (even if you think they don't). Since men are less emotionally intelligent than women, the result is a fierce fight for promotions, results and the chance to brag.

Supporting Evidence: BBC - Male and Female response to danger/stress (news.bbc.co.uk)
Side: women
2 points

I agree with the fact, that they are very emotional. I think it's their nature, if they LIKE being happy? So they NEED friends to stay happy? Reasonable.

Side: women
4 points

women get so much attention. In high school, in college, and in life.

women are built nice, but Men have work hard all their lives, perhaps body building or just trying to build muscle. this is really difficult.

some women are built nice in middle school. what guys are buff in middle school, very few.

life is simple for a woman

Side: women
NotYet(8) Disputed
4 points

What, so because we have boobs we don't need to maintain our appearance. Bullshit. There is so much more pressure on women to look a certain way, which is why most of us take a long time on our makeup, hair and clothes, and are then made fun of for taking so long. In addition, women have to work hard all their lives to keep off weight, which is actually much more difficult for the female body. Plus, breasts are a major inconvenience. They may be attractive to men, but they require ridiculous underwear and hinder any sort of exercise. Life is not simple.

Side: men
4 points

how many compliments does a woman get in a day. ? thousands perhaps

Side: women
NotYet(8) Disputed
3 points

Absolutely ridiculous. Most women are insulted or made fun of far more than they are complimented.

Side: men
3 points

Periods suck. Giving birth hurts. Someone mentioned a higher percentage of getting raped, true. Self-esteem and weight. Got it.

Now, I understand women get paid a little less in some cases, but men have a lot more trouble finding work than women. Any retail store, smoothie place, restaurant, etc. Women can also never be hit. All laws are in favor of women. Did I mention custody of children? Let alone the decision of giving birth or not. You might say, "Well, the mother is the one giving birth." Well, I counter that with, what if the man doesn't want the child? He is still expected to provide for the child, is he not? Free drinks, dinner, movies, all for women. Always a man willing to sleep with you. Some might think that is more of a curse. Well, many individuals would want that curse.

Side: women
4 points

your exactly right. women get to live their lives in peace. Men always have to worry if they are going to get that draft notice in the mail or if they are going to get beat up that day or if they are going to lose their job or if they are going to lose everything in a divorce. If a woman hits a man he is a pussey and if he defends himself he is a brute. If a man walks into the womans bathroom he gets beat by the women then sent to jail. If a woman walks into the mens bathroom its just a mistake. and yes women never have any touble getting a job. but if a man cant find a job he is a loser. if a woman cant find a job she is down on her luck and can stay at a womens and childrens shelter if she has nowhere to go. if a man has nowhere to go he has to sleep on the ground. Much more is expected from a man. thats why im trying to find a country that treats men and women exactly the same. Do you know any?

Side: men
3 points

whats a period , compared to a bullet, or a military vet who commits and fights for your freedom.

I like the movie splice, there needs to be a new race of women or a new mind set in women. Like that movie the step ford wives. Those are women. not naggers

Side: women
NotYet(8) Disputed
3 points

First of all, periods are incredibly painful, and you will never understand that. Secondly, there are plenty of women who enlist in the army only to be discriminated against and judged harshly.

Third, if you are actually saying all women should be Stepford wives you will be forever single. Those women are mindless and controlled by their husbands. Women have a right to the same opportunities and the same level of control as men. No woman should be subject to her husband's authority. As for the nagging problem, get over it. Maybe if you did what she asked you, she'd stop nagging you about it. It infuriates me when men complain about their wives being naggers, when they're actually annoyed because their wives aren't robots who obey their every command.

Side: men
3 points

how many compliments do women give to a good Man on a daily basis.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

maybe one

ok maybe 2

hahahaha

Side: women
NotYet(8) Disputed
3 points

That's ridiculous. There are just as many women fawning over their men and complimenting everything they do as there are men complimenting their women.

Also, women are insulted by men and other women far more often than they are complimented. If you are counting wolf whistles and the like as compliments then you clearly don't understand women. Being whistled at is insulting and makes women feel more like a dog than a confident, attractive woman.

Side: men
3 points

Women have it easier. My reason is in school, boys are supposed to ask out women. The women get to choose out of all the men that asked her out and can just choose the fittest one which is normally either a douche or a jerk. After the girl realizes that jerks and douches are what they are, they complain about how all men are the same and all men are jerks.

Side: women
2 points

I would say women. I don't really resent it or I'm not against it. I just hate it when they sit their complaining about how women have it harder. How hard is it to make a sandwich?

Obviously I'm oldschool. Men are supposed to go out in the world and do the best they can to make life easier for the women and children. Man should take the burdens of life. Problem is everything is getting mixed up today so men don't know how to be men and women don't know how to be women.

Side: women
3 points

"OLD SCHOOL" WOULD SMACK "YOU" THE FUK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I Know . My"OLD SCHOOL HUBBY" ,(you know?, that old man you told me to go fuk.)says so.SO show me a pic(seriously dont) so i can recognise you when they show you on the news, after they find your battered unconcience molecular glob.I dont pray as such but i will keep hoping you pull your head out of your arse, for your own sake.

Side: women
2 points

lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololo Uhmmm that's not all women do lol are you dumb?

Side: women
dacey(1046) Disputed
1 point

In this day and age ,Niether! But, if sexists like you gain control of ANYTHING then that would certainly make things a whole lot harder for women ....stupid thing to do in this day and age.....us women will fuk you up.....:) I KNEW a jerk like you. His mrs eventually tired of his shit, SO ,one evening,just waited til he went off to sleep,then she bashed the crapper out of him.Watch out for that , thats if any one is stupid enough to marr.....LMFAO

Side: men
Kinda(1649) Disputed
6 points

BORING.

All you do is chat shit all day long. Never any logic or reasoning. Only downvotes. Personally IDC but it means I have to scroll down further in every single debate because your shitty life requires you to post everywhere. BTW that 'man' you're with wouldn't have a chance if I took away his walking stick. ;)

Side: women
2 points

Women have way more support outlets. Men are always being called sexiest and creepy. Men are expected to bring home the bacon. Stay at home dad are considered dead beats. The gender pay gap is a myth. It's the average between all the jobs that men have vs women. That is a terrible way to compare seeing as men take on more dangerous and high paying jobs. Men are sent to war. Men can't vote unless they are in the draft.Woman are allowed to go and get young healthy men when they are old as hell and will be praised. Men are creeps and rapist. When men are raped ( made to penetrate) It's not called rape. Men are victims of Domestic abuse by nearly 50% yet no one cares. More men loose everything they have in divorce then women. Barbie is unhealthy body image while Herman is alright. Men don't get enrolled as much. I can go on and on about this.

Side: women
2 points

I"m personally going for "women", because i'm biased.

In the truth of it all, there are actually four sides to this argument. Men, Women, Boys, and Girls. Acknowledging this is extremely important now that we live in the 21st century.

>> remember, the question is "What Gender has it EASIER...?"

Side: women
2 points

I personally see both genders equally. But I find men more aggressive and bossy. The ones who want to take over. But thats not the case today! Today it's pretty equal.

Side: women
2 points

Personally if there was an option I would say no gender has it 'easier'...

I am bored to death of seeing this argument and seeing men be publicly shamed for having 'more rights' than women. Surely men being slaughtered for this reason proves in itself that they are the gender who do not have it easier.

It's easy for a woman to create a crowd of people who defend her and argue with men for saying something completely out of proportion however if it was the other way round it would be a completely different story.

Men within families tend to be the ones who work their hardest providing in order to ensure the family is financially stable and happy and although this is the case for women too, it is statistically proven that men are more dominant in this area

^ don't use the 'women don't have the same rights in a workforce'I as men' as this is incorrect in a modern society.

Yes, women have a lot of social expectations but so do men with the way he should act towards women? I find it completely wrong to have the gender debate constantly because both genders should be equal.

Side: women
2 points

Women have periods and childbirth. Props for them! But still, men are the ones who are expected to be bringing food to the table in a family. Also, society has made it so that if a woman is seen on the streets crying, people would comfort that woman while a man would be shunned. Men are forced to bottle up the majority of their feelings and yet people wonder why a man is four times as likely to commit suicide. Not only that, but all a woman has to do to DESTROY a mans life is claim they raped her. And even if proven wrong, the man loses his job, friends, and nobody is willing to hire due to not wanting to be associated. Women, whether they admit it or not, generally do domestic jobs such as maintaining the house and children. Due to men being built stronger, they are also given much more difficult jobs, such as mining, putting their life on the line. Now I'm not saying it goes for all men, but there defiantly more men miners than women.

Side: women
2 points

Women: don't eat like a goddamn hippo every day and you will get whatever you want in life for free with no work at all

Men: work hard your entire life, and lose everything because your girlfriend lies that you raped her and the judge doesn't even look into it

Side: women
2 points

Women have things easier in life by far.

CHILD HOOD THROUGH ADULT HOOD: When a young boy first begins to mature he is immediately told from parent figures, authoritarians, and peers to "man up" or to "grow a pair" or take it like a man. They are are also told that they can never place there hands on a girl even if she does it to him first. Which is stupid as pediatrician Dr. Sharon winslow records that from the ages of 2-13, boys and girls are equivalent in strength and speed until most boys hit puberty. Then as teenagers they are seen as weird and gross and even told to hide there emotions.

Also, male underachievement in our schools is a huge problem with 1 out of 7 boys being diagnosed with ADHD and are 39% less likely to go to college. They also win fewer honors, count for 72% of suspensions and are favored in classrooms much less then girls. On college campuses in america they will soon be required to take mandatory consent classes, implying that they are all potential rapists.

DISADVANTAGES:

. They are 4x more likely to commit suicide

. They make up 93% of workplace fatalities

. 70% of non reciprocal domestic violence victims are men

. 84% of homicide victims are male

. 90% of child custody winners are women

Side: women
xMathFanx(1560) Clarified
1 point

@Jonminken.

Are you familiar with Warren Farrell and his books The Myth of Male Power, Why Men Are the Way they Are, ect.? Also, have you happened to see the Red Pill documentary that came out this year?

Side: women
Jonminken(2) Clarified
1 point

Why do you ask? Btw are you against my view or supporting it?

Side: women
5 points

Women still make less money than men in the workplace. It is still not a widely popular idea for a woman to pursue a career and not a family. Women are pressured from men to look a certain way, act a certain way, and anything outside of that is considered abnormal and bad. Women are portrayed negatively in the media, and are still used at sex symbols more than anything else. In music, derogatory words are used to describe women and women are portrayed as little more than sex dolls. Sex slavery is now the largest type of slavery in the world and it is majorly the selling of women to the profit and gain of men.

I could go on all day.

Oh, and by the way, men can request paternity leave.

Side: men
3 points

This is actually pretty hard to decide. At first I thought of course men do. But after reading some of the arguments I'm not so sure. But a guy said to me once "I would never be able to go through the crap you woman have to" Now-a-days it's a hard one to pick. We could go into many aspects of this. I agree that woman put more pressure on themselves about the way they look. Only in some cases does a man but yes it does happen. OK, so woman have periods every month which is pretty horrible.. You feel disgusting, emotional and are in pain and we have to listen to men complain about there long hard day at work, blah, blah, blah. Growing up with my mother and father and watching each ones roll is the reason I chose men. My dad worked, drank, ate, slept and watched the footy. My mum worked, looked after her kids, made dinner, cleaned the house, paid the bills, went through the period pain every month and did everything else my dad told her to do. I guess it's worse that he had absolutely no respect for woman but lets leave that out. If my mum cried it just wasn't acceptable. If my dad was even the slightest bit upset mum would have to comfort him. It's a lot easier for woman these days then it was back when woman were just 'house-wife's' and thats all they were ever going to be. We also have to consider the fact that men have a lot of power over woman, If a man doesn't get his way he could easily hurt that woman. Not all are like that but I've seen it happen. Then lest we forget BIRTH giving birth is painful I assume extremely painful. Men may get erections and have to suffer the embarrassment after but after the woman has endured however many hours of labor for three or four months after they have recover from having the baby so as they're closing up every time is closes up it's like going into a mini labor. Then breast feeding lordy, the pain they go through with that! C'mon think about this. Men wouldn't understand because they're never going to have to go through it. I don't understand cause I haven't but I do know from what I've heard that it will be painful. Woman do have it harder than men.

Side: men

Men - higher pay

Men - better job

Men - more money

Men - more time

Men - better life

Most millionaires are men

Who is in the Parliament? men (usually)

women everyday nagging about house chores

So men have better life

Side: men
2 points

Women experience so much in a single month, they deserve praise. They go through their period, which I hear is terrible with no medication. Birth - None of us would be here if it wasn't for our mothers, giving birth. Todays day, Women are doing A LOT more so-called "Man Jobs". Some people don't like the fact that Women are in the workforce, but there are some jobs, only a woman can do.

Side: men
2 points

Honestly, I don't think there is any way to decide which.

But if I had to choose, I'd definitely choose men.

- Statistically, men have better job pay.

- Scientifically proven, men are more physically athletic.

- Women are pressured to look beautiful and be sexually appealing and stuff... etc.

- Women have to have periods [which, by the way, SUCK!]

- Women have to give birth...

But I've never been a man... so I wouldn't know.

Therefore, I'm bias. But we all are.

Side: men
shaneyam99(112) Disputed
1 point

men are better athletes because we work hard at it its not easy to gain pounds upon pounds of MUSCLE before the football season

and guys dont pressure women to be beautiful they pressure themselves

and lastly your periods may be bad but do you even have any idea how hard it is to pee with a morning erection do you think its easy to have to worry about your cock being hard at the wrong moment?

Side: women
isashellbell(45) Disputed
2 points

No, actually, it's scientifically proven that men are naturally better than women at running and swimming and many other sports. This is due to the past centuries of men being the physical laborers, because it was basically equal when man was introduced on Earth, and also because women have breasts.

I guess women and men equally pressure women to be beautiful, but I'm absolutely sure that it's not ALL women.

Haha, no I don't have any idea how difficult it is for you all to pee and stuff...

and 'bad' is an understatement! Haha, there's no way to compare, though. Unless you get a sex change... but let's not get into that. =]

Side: men
2 points

I honestly don't think either have it easy men get cheated on more then women do and women are emotional wrecks at times. Me as a female I honestly hate being a girl and I do think being a guy would be easier at times. Periods are pre-labor pains and every time I have a period I visit the Emergency room get catheters ultra sounds and drugs put into my system just to help me get through the first day, I don't have any insurance as a part time college student so I can't see a doctor to help me and

Side: men
2 points

For one, women are life givers. I don't see a man pushing a giant watermelon out of their main vein. And yes you the man, may be out working while we woman are at home with the children, but what do you think we are doing having a party? No we are home tending to the children, clothing, feeding, teaching them, then we are tending to the home, cleaning up after the man, cooking dinner for when he gets home from a hard(pffft) day of work. And then we get bitched at cause he's cranky from work, that we didn't cook what he would have wanted for dinner. What are we? fucking mind readers. Though you men don't think of the stress raising children is and taking care of the man. We have enough will power not to strangle you while you sleep :) Really all we are there for is to clean up after you, raise your children, and listen to all your problems, try to make you feel better, and get bitched at. So i think Men have it way easier.

Side: men
2 points

Sorry ladies, but it's true. Physically men are generally stronger then women. Not say that there aren't girls who can throw down but for the most part women are physically weaker creatures. That is always a plus of men. That and they can pee standing up. How hard is it for males to just "whip it out" and start going, while females either have to pop a squat or just hold it, which is very bad for the body!

Men are also simple thinkers. Women tend to over think things and what to over analyze certain things that really have no purpose.

Women have a certain image to hold up to "society's standards." For example if a woman sleeps with two men a week she is considered ho, while if a man sleeps with two women in the same day he is looked at as a some kind of hero. He is looked at in a positive light as to oppose to women who are looked at in the opposite way; also women are suppose to fit a certain kind of look. Skinny, pretty, this and that. I mean seriously how many "thick" females that are famous. One or two here or there. And then think about how males that are "thick," a much larger number.

I am not saying it is not hard on both genders. Each one goes through things that the other one will never agree or begin comprehend with. But hands down the men got it much easier then women, based on today's society and what is expected out of each gender.

Side: men
jobosno(5) Disputed
1 point

I DOUBT MOST OF YOU WILL READ OF ALL THIS, SO HERE'S THE GIST OF IT:

I'M POINTING OUT SOME FLAWS IN AZZE'S ARGUMENT, BUT THE WHOLE THING'S GOAL IS REALLY TO SHOW THAT NOBODY WILL REALLY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER COMPLETELY, SO IT'S COMPLETELY FUTILE TO DETERMINE WHO HAS IT EASIER WHEN IN ALL REALITY, IT BALANCES OUT IN THE END.

I find the "Men are simple thinkers" comment to be incredibly offensive.

The scientific difference between the way minds work is this:

Women have connector in the brain that men don't, usually (We can develop it though). This means women's brains are like a spaghetti bowl, where each thought is a noodle. It's all in there at the same time. You're at a football game, what happened before is still on your mind.

Men who don't have this connector, their brains are like an ice cube tray where each thought is a cube. They're separate. It's why some scientists (I read a while back, I can't give specific scientists, sorry) claim that men are better at compartmentalizing. They're at the football game, you're focused on the game. "No reason" (because it's an opinion) to worry about what happened before when you "can't do anything about it."

Now, there's no way to know who has this connector and who doesn't, so that's why it's offensive to some people to generalise that some men don't care about certain things.

Also, men are also pressured to hold up to society's standards. You did acknowledge this later on, but you contradict that several times. I'll do my best to respectfully point out what I see as flaws here:

-A woman who sleeps with two men in a week is considered promiscuous, correct. But the guys who get the most attention (the ones who spread their obnoxious ideas the loudest) are the ones who laud the promiscuous men as heroes. The vast majority do not see these men as heroes.

-You are also correct when you say women are expected to be thin. There aren't that many overweight females who are famous. But how many times have you heard the claim that "abs" are what matters on a guy? It's similar, albeit different in some ways.

-The overweight men who make it on TV, are mostly used for comedic purposes. Have you not noticed that they are the butt of many jokes? Now, this is speaking in general, which is always dangerous, because overweight women are the butt of just as many. However, as you said, we do see more overweight men than women, making this a more common scenario. This also comes with a price. Just as women are stereotyped as being fragile, emotional beings, men are stereotyped (because of these jokes) as being slothful, ne'er-do-well, childish creatures where the industrious woman must often set them straight.

-One of the things I notice about the "stronger than women" idea is that many young women think that having an overly-defined muscular frame is "masculine," and are thus repulsed by it. Men have a natural advantage, yes, but it really depends upon whether or not you train that ability or not. A lot of the women I've heard speaking their minds on the issue also take one of the other mindsets: "I don't really need to", "That's a man's job", or the "I don't care enough to do much beyond staying thin." I do realise that this does not paint an accurate picture of all women, but I am not a woman, so I must make my points based on scientific studies and the views of women who are willing to speak their minds.

Lastly, I know this is a long post, but I do have one more point to make:

You know how young girls often play dumb, thinking it's attractive? I think some guys do not feel that they need to be educated because of several reasons:

- that's not as widely condemned, especially because the men's rights movements are considered a joke by many (feminism and women's rights helped get the public to pay more attention to education of young women)

- Men are taught that focusing on sports is "manly" and focusing entirely on school is either "nerdy" or "girly." Does it play this major of a role?

- Some men have a skewed image of what women are like (as you've seen in this debate on several occasions) and think that the only thing that will matter is their build

The birth issue is also becoming more irrelevant (but will never be obsolete)....how long do you spend giving birth out of your entire life? The percentage of couples choosing NOT to have children at all is actually on the rise. In fact, it's predicted that in approximately 70 years, the rate of reproduction for Caucasians will make whites a minority in the United States.

Side: women
2 points

well men have the manpower to do a lot of things physically and the greatest people in life were men einstein and many others

Side: men

Men win because we don't have to have babies and get all emotional when we brake a nail.

Side: men
2 points

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Side: women
NotYet(8) Disputed
2 points

Okay first of all, it's break. Second of all, women definitely don't get emotional when they break a nail. Women often have longer nails than men, and when they break it's annoying and it stings, but we don't get "all emotional". That is the kind of stereotyping that makes women's lives harder.

Side: men
1 point

I honestly don't think either have it easy men get cheated on more then women do and women are emotional wrecks at times. Me as a female I honestly hate being a girl and I do think being a guy would be easier at times. Periods are pre-labor pains and every time I have a period I visit the Emergency room get catheters ultra sounds and drugs put into my system just to help me get through the first day, I don't have any insurance as a part time college student so I can't see a doctor to help me and birth control doesn't help my cramps.

I've tried getting on some kind of Medicare but because I'm not pregnant and I'm older then 18 I don't qualify... My pains so sever I go into a depression every time and can't go to work which sucks cause I really need the money. My boyfriend whom I love however, poor guy has to pick me up and carry me to the bathroom cause i get so swollen I can't walk and he has to miss work to cuddle me and take care of me. If you've ever taken care of a women on her period you know how much it sucks to be a man at that time cause majority of the time shes crying and needs to be held LOL.

So I think both have it equally hard in their own ways some things more on women than men and somethings on men more then women. It's life were human it happens.

Side: men
1 point

Being a man is awesome. You don't need to make babies or have periods, you're less likely to be mugged or raped. You are usually a little bigger and stronger than the average woman. You don't have to make the decision whether to stay at home and look after the kids or get a job to support them. Men's traditional gender roll tells them that they are supposed to get a job, whereas women need to decide to be a self-empowered woman and get a job in the workplace or follow their traditional gender roll and take care of kids.

The only bad things about being a man is that you almost always lose in child custody cases, and you are eligible to be drafted. Besides that, life is a lot easier.

Side: men
1 point

one major point here: childbirth. while the men sit on the sidelines waitin for u to just pop the sucker out so they can watch the sabres game lol

Side: men
jobosno(5) Disputed
1 point

Are you a mind reader? I doubt that. The ones you hear commenting on this are the ones that don't care enough about giving the rest of us bad image to keep their mouths shut. If you haven't heard any man saying this, then you're acting upon stereotype, which makes your argument invalid.

Side: women
1 point

We have a menstrual period once a month, we carry their children 9 mnths, were the ones having to worry about getting pregnant after unprotected sex. Seriously...... Men have it easy

Side: men
1 point

guys dont have periods. that is soooooo annoying and uncomfortable. and childbirth? 4got about that? its like taking a giant six pound crap. and girls have to make sure thay arent hairy and have to wear make-up and stuff. they (sometimes. the smart ones) have jobs and have to take care of screaming ungrateful barf filled poop sacs that we call... your children. if you spill your beer, guess who picks it up? who goes shopping for your needs? who has to clean the house? if you gain 10 pounds you just giggle and squeeze your fat rolls pretending its a boob. if we gain ten pounds we have to work out immediately. who does the laundry? who makes your food? who doesnt get to go play golf and hang out at a bar? WE DO ALL YOUR CRAP. ungrateful men... without us you would be like a baby. helpless, barfing, confused... and full of crap!!!

Side: men
1 point

1) women have periods!! it feels like mike tyson just punched you in the gut... for a week... you get uncontrollably emotional, and you constantly have to change tampons (which are quite uncomfortable) 4-6 times A DAY.

2) women are treated like crap... you have a higher percent of being rapd. Men woohooo at you and make jokes either way if your hot or ugly or fat.

3) you are right. on adverage, women are weaker. women cant defend themselves against an abusive relationship.

4) Women have more hormones then men. Thats why your "little comments or jokes" hurt us.

5) data shows that women do not make much money and are more likely to be fired.

6) Women get pregnant. 9 months of your feet swelling, vomiting, and pain. Have any of you men debating out there ever passed a kidney stone? Ya. that a pebble. Imagine that the size of a watermelon.

7) women have to keep their appearence up. Men dont have to wear makeup, shower daily, brush their long hair, and shave too much (yes, men shave their faces. women have to shave their legs, armpits, privates, and sometimes the face. yes. some women can grow facial hair). Men, sit in your tshirt and boxers while the girls look and smell nice- all that work for a nasty pig like you. no girl would be pretty without makeup (well some... but its only a handful).

8) Men can gain 5-10 pounds and not notice much. if women gain any weight, we get allll the fat jokes.

9) we cook your food. we clean your messes. my mom nagged my dad all day about how he needed to sweep the floors. he said we wouldnt sweep them for a week. my mom got a full big trash can filled with dirt and hair.

10) yes, most of us nag. but if you dont want a naggy relationship, then thats your fault for marrying us, now isnt it? But not all of us nag. me and my sister try to clean my dads messes, get his paper, and get him food (my mom gives him hell, and he is a really awesome guy. we try to help him out).

11) we get to raise your screaming brats while you sit in an office and email people.

Men- we dont enjoy these things. if we had a choice to get rid of these traits, you can bet we would :) dont blame us. i dont think you get how much we love you to do these things... men need women, women need men. Its just that men need women a little bit more.

Side: men
jobosno(5) Disputed
1 point

Please support your "more hormones" argument with scientific evidence

Side: women
jobosno(5) Disputed
1 point

Also, there's a general consensus among the guys I know (support: personal experience, after all, I do hang out with an equal number of guys and girls) that women DO look better without makeup, so your point about that really is debatable.

Side: women
1 point

Well ever since the only myan prophisy to come true came true its been equal but a long time ago during the time I would be on the most wanted list, it was men thats why I would get on the most wanted list for at a convention on equal rights where women could not speak I would throw a stick at the guy talking i would start saying "this is no equal rights convention cause women can't speak" Then one my husban finds out tie him to a tree in his sleap watch him get eaten go vandilize a church saying you hate women so the people are dumb around here than i would take a bible and say this whomade this god I dont think so and thats why i would be on the most wanted list plus they would think I am a witch

Side: men
1 point

Oh my gosh My brains like a mans!!!!

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Side: men
1 point

ok 1st of all none of us have the right to say that the other gender have it easier

- every1 have hardship in life but its the choices u make that make ur life easier and simpler

-men and women all have their own problems , no one is better off than the other

- believe or not men and women are more equal than u think

- some men have done wrong to women and so have some women to men

- we all make mistake but it takes both hands to clap so one side of the party is not always in wrong its both

- both men and women have done some shitty things to each other to get to the top so its not always one side that's always in wrong

- its not a man's world nor a women's world its OUR WORLD so we should start acting like it is

and a another thing, pregnancy and menstrual is not that bad i know some people going through more painful stuff and they are both men and women who are pretty much going through hell but still fighting on

LOVE EACH OTHER AS EQUAL BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH SOME TIMES YOU CAN'T LIVE WITH EACH OTHER U SURE AS HELL CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT THE EACH OTHER

Side: men
1 point

There are many reasons why men have it easier,in my opinion, some are not even facts just what the major part of women go through. 1. Women have to have periods 2. Women are still looked down on in the world and some people think women are not as smart or reliable as men are 3. Women have to go through labor 4. Women have to shave 5. When first having sex it hurts but guys can just stick it in there and feel nothing 6. Women are whores if they sleep with an amount of men but guys are praised for it 7. We have to bunch up our clothes and pee...that sucks

Okay thats it oh yeah if anyone was a wondering Im a girl :)

Side: men
1 point

Women have a harder life because their work isn't as appreciated as men. Men are more apt to be promoted in work before a woman even though the woman is more qualified.Women have to give birth.Women,most anyway,not only work a full time job and then come home to cook and clean and take care of kids while men don't.They worry more about hair and makeup.Most women do grocery shopping. Even females have their periods, which sucks!

Side: men
1 point

WOMEN HAD TO RIGHT FOR HER EVERY RIGHT AND SADLY STILL SHE IS FIGHTING

Side: men

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Side: men
1 point

I would personally say that women in general have it a lot harder than men. First of all, for thousands and thousands of years, women were treated as inferior to men. Even though we've made great strides in modern days, those years are still affecting people today. Catcalling, rape, and just generally being treated as sub par to men are still commonplace in today's society. There is a very small amount of female representation in Hollywood, and even more so, the roles of a mother or "housewife" are now being treated as inferior or degrading, even though they are legitimate, nonpaying jobs that demand nearly all of a woman's time. Responses like "It must be that time of the month" are still used a humorous comeback to explain away any angry or "aggressive" behavior from a woman, as if they can't have those feelings are less valid from a woman. Also, we deal with periods every month, which are accompanied with headaches, nausea, and unbearable cramps, while we are expected to live our normal lives. I could go on for much longer, but likely no one has bothered to read this whole thing.

Side: men
1 point

Men think they have to bring home the bacon = women think they need to look pretty

random boners < periods

assault < rape

going to work < 9 months of pregnancy

unprotected sex

men < women

Side: men
1 point

Men have it much easier than women. I think everybody knows that. They don't get period's or have to give birth which hurts a lot.

Side: men
Paperclip(2) Disputed
1 point

Yet the idea that men have more rights is bullshit. A stay at home dad is frowned upon, men are taught to bottle up their feelings leading to 4 times more likes to commit suicide, and men generally take on harder jobs. Welhether they admit it or not, women ar egrnerally stay home mothers who have domestic duties. Men are also the ones who bring in all the money for a family. As for the wage gap, did you EVER think that maybe it has something to do with the fact hat men are much more likely to work overtime, work harder , and so on?

Side: women
1 point

LOL is this even fair of course women have it harder then men! lol this is not even I fight

Side: men