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Capitalism Socialism
Debate Score:27
Arguments:15
Total Votes:38
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Challenge Debate: wich is more realistic

in tis debate we will ignore the moral aspects of these economic systems and look at implemenability, efficiancy, econimic viability, and compatibility with freedom liberty and human nature, both theoreticly and historicly. are you reddy my worthy advisary?

warrior(1854)

Capitalism

Side Score: 7
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kozlov(1754)

Socialism

Side Score: 20
0 points

Besides the whole reason people get jobs is to earn money and support them selves and they're family. if all that is done for them by mommy government why work? And don't give me this "for the good of the collective" crap that isn't how most people are in the real world humans by nature are very self serving. Three are exceptions but I don't think there are enough for This to be ecmonomiclly viable. Look at all the people on welfare do you seriously think they are looking for work?well maybe some but most are like"I don't need a job they get money for free."

Side: Capitalism
kozlov(1754) Disputed
4 points

Look at all the people on welfare do you seriously think they are looking for work?well maybe some but most are like"I don't need a job they get money for free."

That is a very un-fair generalization about people on welfare. Yes, I will admit some people are only there to suckle on the teet of the state because they are too lazy. However, if a Socialist government guaranteed full employment, that problem goes away.

Side: Socialism
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

So they would all go public sector then? So every time someone gets fired from the privet sector they go to the public sector meanwhile the taxes go up as the remaining privet sectors employes give more and more of there own money to the government so they can pay all these new government employes. Good idea genius we still have essentially the same problem. Wanna try again or do I win?

Side: Capitalism
-1 points

Capitalism is the economic system that made the US a major world power. You say socialism is an extension of democracy. Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. My country is not a democracy we are a republic. History has also shown us that socialism is a gateway to Communism which we both agree is bad. The workers owning the means of production takes to much power away from management what if all the workers vote they want to spend most of their day on break and still get payed for a full day of work. You can't support an economy that way. Plus it can be misconstrued to where the government owns the means of production because the government is the people (or so they say) and bam you have Communism.

Side: Capitalism
kozlov(1754) Disputed
2 points

Capitalism is the economic system that made the US a major world power.

At the expense of millions of its own citizens.

History has also shown us that socialism is a gateway to Communism which we both agree is bad

Socialism is not a gateway to Communism, because Communism can never be achieved.

The workers owning the means of production takes to much power away from management

The workers become the management.

what if all the workers vote they want to spend most of their day on break and still get payed for a full day of work

Then the company ceases to be productive. A Capitali$t boss could easily make the same order. Mistakes like this are less likely in Socialism because the workers get to make the decisions for the good of the collective.

Plus it can be misconstrued to where the government owns the means of production because the government is the people (or so they say) and bam you have Communism.

There are mutations of 'Socialism' that are not as effective as other types. The same is true for Capitalism, fascism is a type of capitalism in decay.

Side: Socialism
warrior(1854) Disputed
0 points

fascism is capitalism in decay

No it isn't in fascism the government tells business owners what to do its regulation gone wild capitalism is all about lack of regulation.

the workers get to make the decisions for the good of the collective

And what if they just care about themselves and not the collective. It's not a bad thing for a CEO to sit on his ass he's doing desk work that involves sitting on ones ass. The workers need to work or as you said the company ceases to be productive. What you did not mention is then it goes out of business people lose their jobs, unemployment goes up and the GDP goes down.

socialism is not a gate way to Communism because communism has never been achieved

Actually it has. The reason it wasn't a utopia filled with hugs and sunshine dust however is because the ground work needed for its implementation can only be found in dictatorships.

Side: Capitalism
3 points

Our goal is to look at look at implementability, efficiency, economic viability, and compatibility with freedom liberty and human nature, both theoretically and historically, I will stick to this as much as possible.

First, implementability: Many have argued that socialism can never be properly implemented; however, simple legislation can get a country moving towards a more socialistic pathway. This legislation could be as simple as encouraging small businesses to follow a more Socialistic model. (Workers owning the means of production).

Next efficiency: I will begin by adding a link that describes the mathematical efficiency of Socialism. Though there may be slight hyperbole to say the least, the equations are solid.

http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Economic+Efficiency+of+Socialist+Production

Socialism is also economically viable. For a few years following the NEP, The RSFSR became Socialist. The living conditions of the citizens during that window of hope improved massively.

Socialism is also very compatible with liberty. Socialism is simply an extension of Democracy into the workplace.

Furthermore, human nature includes Socialism. Not everyone is driven just for their own economic gain. Compassion and rational thought is what separates humans from the rest.

I strongly recommend that anyone with mis-conceptions about Socialism read Albert Einstein's 'Why Socialism'.

http://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism

Norm Chomsky on Socialism.
Side: Socialism