Ok, I had to switch sides, due to my last comment being argued with. Now that I actually read the whole thing.....-cough-. The first part i disagree, I think it's easier to believe in God. Read my other OP about that one.

As an athiest I don't believe in "Sin". What is considered Sin, to me is absolutley natural bahavior. One of the things that humans strive for is pleasure. In whatever form, whether it be sexual or stimulation through drugs. So of course it's easier to go with a basic instinct than to go against the grain. As for selfishness, well....in my opinion, we only have ourselves. Everyday we wake, we wake in our own bodies. I'm not a very selfish person, but I have to admit that when I have to walk in my shoes everyday, it's hard not to think about myself. Greed is right up the alley way with selfishness. So in conclusion, I agree that its easier to "Sin" than it is to abstain.

We're not talking about believing in anything although I guess it counts. It IS easier for you not to believe than to believe though isn't it?

I agree with most of what you said.. but just want you to note that I'm not calling you a sinner or saying that religions are.. but only using the term or definition of sin.

Thanks for the post. BTW you could just edit your old post and switch sides and re-tag your argument.

You are right, I apologize. I posted a new OP on the other side. =)

Ok so you answered 1 small part of the question.. or attended one small part of the debate. Hows about people start focusing on the whole debate.. not just about God...

LOOOLL HAHAHA. DICK!

Yes. When there are social institutions in place that reinforce belief from early childhood onward, the issue of belief becomes a systemic one.

Wait... what's that?? System influences thoughts? Kind of like how I said atheists view themselves as smart. Hmmm....

They tend to accept it as easily as they accept the notion that Santa is real, and for all the same ridiculous reasons.

Yeah.. umm... about that...... we're kind of talking about older people here....... Sorry that nobody told you.. I thought I sent the emails out yesterday...

There ain't shit in any of these religions that stop people from doing whatever the fuck they want.

Wow. I thought you had some intelligence. Maybe you just had a car crash and got brain damaged. Now you just drool and shouldermunch.

And in fact, it contributes to social dysfunction

Too long to read. Summarise it and you may make a a point.

Generally? Based on what?

The link you provided. ;)

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Hmm.. so it was extremely difficult for you to stop believing in God. You found it unimaginably hard to deny His existance. After years of searching you found the truth and achieved enlightenment.

kmt...

I really don't care if you're being humorous

woman...

"I find it difficult to believe that it is easier to live a life of personal (I can't be vicariously redeemed) and collective responsibility (I can't pretend that "only god can judge me"), than living a life wherein the burden of "my sins" are shouldered by someone else who has the inherent power to absolve me of every single one of my misdeeds."

So it's easier to believe in something you can't see, hear, smell, touch. Whose never talked to you and you don't know of except in certain books, rarely over several hundred years at a time. Believe in something that prevents you from satisfying all of your 'sinful' desires yet tells you you're happiest when you follow it? It is harder to be religious than it is not to be religious.

However this is more applicable in western societies where faith in God/Religion is weaker than it is in the East. Generally.

BTW my OP is not just about God. It's more about sin - which the majority of the western populace practices even those who consider themselves religious.

You still haven't replied to the whole of my original post. Just the first line. lol.

Still haven't answered my question. Was it easy for you to give up on God. You stopped having faith in Him - was it easy.

WTF ARE YOU CHATTING ABOUT????

In your post you proposed FOR God. Did you mean to say it is EASY to believe in God?

You're a nutjob. personalities aswel.. wtf are you talking about..

Lol.

Read Kant's "What is Englightenment?" and you will get the reference.

I postulate there's in excess of one portrayal of 'enlightenment'.

You guessed wrong. And you were wrong because of your ignorance.

Your inability to sense humour leaves me nonchalant

Counterfactual thinking doesn't progress your point.

Well indubitably it does. If theists are envisaged as truculent then incontrovertibly people ordain to sin.

Your issue is belief in god

Erroneous.

My issue is Sin. Irrelevent of belief in God. (You ought to have read more fastidously).

and by your language you obviously mean the god of Abraham.

Erroneous.

You judged wrong. You were wrong because of your ignorance

And the fact of the matter is that it's not easy. I have provided basic reasons why.

Yes. Basic and flawed.

All you have done is reiterated nebulous ideals that aren't backed up by anything.

Wrong. You've reiterated nebulous ideals that aren't backed up by anything.

Let's continue with YOUR argument which isn't specified in My one.

Was it easy or hard for you to not believe in God?

What about the millions out there who find it extremely difficult to believe in God.

What you may or may not know is a lot of people who believe in God ALSO sin. The question is about sin and not JUST God. The question is those who do or do not believe in God sin. My stance is they sin because it is easier to sin than it is not to sin. Yes or no. To make it more relevant let's confine 'these people' to those in the western world.

lol wtf are you talking about??

If you're FOR believing and following God, you need to switch sides.

Well when you put it that way..... NOT!

Becoming enlightened = religious thinking.

I guess you are religious.

In todays western world and its influence over the rest of the world it has become much easier and even favoured towards not being religious. Infact just for being athiest people consider themselves smart. Being athiest is easier than to have faith in something.

after some thought i have decided to edit my post in this debate and withdraw from comment

Yep. It's easier to live a life of sin than it is to abstain from sin.

BTW not to say I don't sin. I'm a bad bad, naughty boy. But atleast I admit I sin.