So you believe even though you have no evidence for or against, you just have faith because you have faith because you have faith.... You are a classic drone because if you accept no evidence nothing can sway you, your mind is closed. In the real world nothing is for certain but everything can be backed with some kind of evidence. If it can't it doesn't exist.

No, the initial force could have been non-intelligent, like in my river example. You're just stretching the word "God" to mean "any possible initial force." In conventional usage, "God" means "Intelligent being who created the universe."

A supernatural accident then :) The universe is a bubble that happened to form in the supernatural river that has always existed.

So say we accept an initial force, so what? Where do you go from there?

if you have faith in God you will be happy forever.PLUS!who created the earth?God.who made people?God.who made the meteaor that destroyed the dinosaurs?God did it all!!!!!

I don't think he's a moron -- quite the opposite actually -- but it's a simple fact that an atheist would almost definitely not be elected President of the United States. Thus, any politician will have an incentive to delude themselves and avoid thinking about the question too much. So I would say he's not a moron or a liar, he's simply choosing not to seriously question his faith.

Great story, unfortunately in this setting it is meaningless without evidence. Christians often use emotionally charged stories of miraculous recoveries because people are too afraid to ask for the evidence.

With that kind of logic you could pretend like anything you want really exists. You could pretend that you will find a hundred dollars every day for the rest of your life based on no evidence at all, but that wouldn't make it happen.

A moral compass? Have you READ the Bible? Try reading through Genesis and Exodus and see exactly HOW moral it is (Examples of Biblical Immorality: Innkeeper letting his daughters get raped instead of sending out the Angels, genocide that's ordered by God, infanticide that's committed by God)

Uh... no.

On two levels. Lack of logical possibility and evidence, and secondly, the overwhelming presence of alternatives.

We've all experienced real-life probability before, it took about 14.7 trillion (or some ridiculous number of) years for chaotic matter to cool down and form life on our planet and Earth is only going to be around for a few more millenia. Not very miraculous to me. I'm sure we're all versed on evolution. We've observed the processes of which in nature, and there's a clear fossil record which tells a story untouched by mankind millions of years back. And in case you're going to refute this with the incredulous statement that "life came from nothing". That's not the case, it gradually developed over a LOOOONG time, and the basic compounds that make us exist all over nature and are generally stable. Ironically, Christians believe that we were pressed from dirt.

This eliminates the need for a God to have intervened. Then there is the supposition that a physically impossible being just magically created us, with no possible ability of knowing this except that people from 1000's of years ago who were studying, at best, witchcraft, alchemy, and astrology (not astronomy) were telling the absolute truth when we simultaneously discredit 2,999 other religions based on the very same credibility.

This really has nothing to do with facts and evidence at all. We are trapped into believing in God and Heaven because we don't like the alternative of permanent death, that noone is watching over us, and that you've wasted your life in Church. This principle of "faith" is simply the emotional refusal to grasp what appears to be a harsh reality.

We live in a very sheltered country of America. I'm not cynical, but we swim in water while people in Africa (mostly Christians by the way) are begging for it while being slaughtered, we work effortlessly while near-slaves at home and abroad manufacture our basic goods while we exploit a useless service sector economy. It is to be expected of us to gate ourselves with our dream world.

I accept no. 1. Morals aren't that hard to figure out. 2. I'm okay with dying because living forever, if you think about it, would be true hell and it is the fear of death and limited exposure to life that makes life so precious. 3. Having accepted these things, I don't really need a God nor credit one.

this god character(s) was made just to make people feel more secure about the things they cannot explain hundreds and thousands of years ago humans could not explain what some things were and why they happened it is just to cover up peoples fears of the world and giving them something to use to shove in peoples faces trying to prove that they are the smarter and the nonbelievers should be the scared ones even though most of the time they are the ones with the actual answers

I do not believe in any god or gods. I am a strong atheist, because I have never come across a definition of god that could possibly exist. There is no reason to believe that the gods of any bibles are real, and many reasons why we know they aren't. A being outside of existence is by definition non-existent. If a being is existing, it must be detectable. In order to be detectable, it must be logically consistent.

There is a mountain of evidence to support evolution, such as fossil records, DNA, and selective breeding. Scientists estimate that only 1 in 1000 SPECIES (not specimen) ever become fossilized; and of those we have still only discovered a fraction. So there's bound to be holes in our ancestral lineage, such as 'the missing link' (the common ancestor we share with Chimpanzee's and other apes). However, despite these tiny odds we have discovered another 'missing link', tiktaalik, the common ancestor we share with all vertebrates. See link for more information.

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i don't think there's a god because i think some people are scared of there being nothing when they die so they want 2 believe in something and kings and queens used gods 2 get there people on there side like the Egyptians i reckon they did it for their god but were really only doing it because thats what their pharaoh wanted. So the pharaoh says the gods have spoken and if they didn't do it they would go to hell and die over and over again and this would put fear in the peoples eyes, i also the reckon the bible is a fairy tale and just been taking out of proportion. People say there was a Santa Claus so children would be good so how can you trust anything that is said when there is no hardcore evidence.

I affirm this, we forget the logical flaw of attributing somethings complexity to God. "Well, it looks really complicated, THEREFORE something beyond our realm of physics must have done it". It's a very vague premise that if something currently unexplainable happened that something beyond all explanation did it.

Note also that words like "complicated" and "beautiful" are self-assessed and subjective. It's statistically a random chaotic mess, it's easier to gradually learn to like something then have the entire universe arranged specifically to our enjoyment.

"God", there is no evidence for its existence, and god was invented to explain things people couldn't understand, and to keep control on ancient civilizations.

Firstly the pope says no to free condoms in Africa.

Also religion have us Al Qaeda, the holocaust and Bosnian troubles.

We need to stop dreaming and enter the real world.

First, let me say thank you for leaving a response instead of simply voting me down like the rest of these jerks :)

Now then...

"How do you suppose the Big Bang came to be?"

I don't know. And neither do you. It is impossible to answer this question. It could have been God. It could have been space aliens. It could have been ten dimensional space rocks crashing together. The universe could simply have always existed. There are an infinite number of possible explanations.

"And what about miracles?"

A "miracle" is just something we haven't found the cause of yet. Do you have any particular examples?

See also: confirmation bias.

"look at the intricacy of the trees, etc."

This is the Argument from Design. I respond with the Argument from Poor Design.

One example of poor design: In human females, the birth canal passes through the pelvis. If an infant's head is too big they will not fit and before c-sections death for the mother was the usual result.

There are many, many other examples of poor design.

To me the evidence points not to an all-powerful, benevolent designer, but rather a universe ruled by non-intelligent patterns emerging from chaos.

Ok, so the Bible says the descendants of the Israelis will reunite. That one happened. But the other predictions are just absurd.

"Europe, revived roman empire, to be the final world government. EU gives rise to Antichrist, who will come out of Spain (10th nation of EU) and form a peace contract with Israel for 7 years."

How is Europe the revived Roman Empire? Even if we pretend that it is, there's no way Europe is going to take over the entire world.

"666: mark of the Antichrist - a biometric identification system that will facilitate commerce."

Seriously? I can't believe people up-voted this crap.

Science is not a 'matter of faith' it's a matter of evidence. There is evidence to support both 'the big bang' theory and evolution. See link below:

I can not see how what the Bible says is true. How can someone live to over 1000 years old. Humans evolved from Cavemen, and whatever existed before then. The Bible at times simply defies all logic, science and life as we know it. You can argue about religion and science. But science makes the componants of existance and what has actually happened. So the science is 100% correct and you can not modify this in its complete state. We are mostly talking about the Christian God but what about others? Muslim god Allah and others? Do they exist too? So which God made the world and created life? 3 solutions here. Either only one exists making all but one religion true. Non of them exist making all of them false or all gods are one also making all reliigions false. Whichever way the majority of belief is flawed and contradicted through other religions. Who says the Bible is fact and the Quaran is false?

God has supposedly created life and brought a beautiful world upon us. He has the power to do anything. Why has he not done any of these so called miracles in our life like turning water into wine etc. The world of today is a sorry state, with murders, diseases and even terrorists. How and why does he let this happen when he can easily stop it? If thats the case he is supporting terrorism and that is not such a nice creative being!

There has been more evidence to suggest life form on other planets exist more. Did our God create them to?

I don't believe in God, because there is no proof. And please don't say well there is no proof he doesn't exist, because under that same theory all criminals should just be sent to jail, because there is no proof that they didn't commit the crime, why don't we just forget about free trial? I refuse to believe in God until proof presents itself.

I do not believe in god as a "god" like the bible describes him to be. To me, "god" is the power above us. It cannot speak, hear us or give us advice of any sort.

How is this a debate? Am i meant to argue with myself?

Anyway...

I was born christian and brought up in catholic school. Later on i realised the rubbish that religion is. Most religions are a group of people coming together to nod at a wall for an hour. All the main religions grow for one reason; Child indoctrination. Christianity did it throughout the 1700's, stealing children from their families "baptising them" and bringing them up as fanatics. All religions grab the attention of young children with false promises and teach them to ignore and hate all other points of view. Religion is just indoctrination, hitler did it exactly the same way religion did it and it must be stopped. There is no need for a god. Evolution says there isn't and thanks to the missing link being proved yesterday ir is proven and there is no argument against it apart from the usual religious argument of shouting No repeatedly until you go away. God has no place in this universe the only evidence of his existence are old books written by men. probably insane men.

No. God is only the conscience in your own head. The conscience is looking out for you, so pay attention to it!

Simple, we've documented evolution in current years. We've seen it happen. Yes, the chances are very small that something will successfully evolve which is why it takes millions of years for new species to arise.

For example, the monkey family has an extra set of chromosomes. WELL GOD MUSTA DID IT! No, occasionally in evolution, a set of chromosomes will become fused. Chromosomes have end caps on them to tell RNA where to stop coding. Chromosome 3 in our genome is actually a smashed together 15 and 16 from the monkey family, proven by the matching DNA and the site on the chromosomes where there are two end caps are illogically joined. Then there's fossils and anthropological remains to show the progression. That's how. Do your research.

Because the realm of science is slowly consuming the realm of religion. It wasn't so long ago that religion was used to explain how the Sun moved through the sky, and where sickness came from. And now we have physics, biology, and a host of other bodies of knowledge.

It's reasonable to assume that this trend will continue. Therefore, it's also reasonable to wonder what remaining areas of religion will be replaced by science.

I believe in gods but not a absolute god such as Jesus christ or Allah that created everything inclusive us human beings. Gods that create everything just didn't exist in me and the reason is very simple.

Gods are said to have supernatural powers of everykind such as looking into the future and reading people thoughts and etc.

Here is a point which i wanted to raise regarding the genuity of Jesus professed love for everyone.

If God have the power to see the future and if he love us why did he create Adam and Mary when he knew that if Adam ate the apple from the tree, he would have betrayed god.

If God loves us and have the abilty to see the future, why did he create us humans when he knew that we would eventually become bad and punish those bad humans by flooding the land ?

If God have the ability to see the future why did he create lucifer when he knew that lucifer one day will betray him and god will punish him by banishing to hell ?

And why did god put the tree of 'not sure what is it called'in the garden of Eden where Adam and Mary lived.

If he owns the power to create the universe why is he so unwise to put something that would cause Adam to become a so called 'normal'human being ?

If god cares for everyone, why did he in the bible say that animals are for humans to consume for food but not kill for fun. Indirectly he is saying that animals are something he created and we can kill for our own advantage. But apparently animals are similar to us human beings too. Animals have feelings like us and they feel pain when the chopper is brought down to their neck. If God is really benevolant to all living things he could just invoke his magic powers and let the animals feel no pain when they are being slaughtererd.

But why did he give animals feelings ?

And i strongly feel that we humans aren't suppose to consume animals.

Our teeth are harbivourous and our digestive system are that of a vegetarian not a meat eater.

We can eat meat yes but not too much as when they die, waste materials in the animals such as Urea will be sstored inside them. When we eat them we eat their waste materials.

There are so many inperfections of God and i can hardly name them all in one go.

Here is my point and question towards those to believe in god.

Why did your beloved god create you when he could just not create you and not make you suffer.

Another question:

Why did god create us in the first place ?

To be his puppets ?

For fun ?

So that god will not feel lonely ?

I heard many weird debaters insulting me as an idoit and so on but this is just my views on christianity and gods that create everything.

This argument meant no offense to anybody but is just to express my opinions and beliefs.

yes and no. while i still believe that there is a heaven and god rules heaven, the theory of evolution overrules the belief that god created everything and He rules over all and controls all.

Meaning that if you want to, it can mean anything you want to. There are no hidden meanings in the bible. If anything most people have no understanding of the bible because they don't understand the historical context when each of the books were written. Like how there is no record of Hebrew slaves in Egypt, but we know the old testament was first solidified in Babylon when they were slaves there. To say the bible is "written by God" immediately discredits you in any real discussion about the bible due to your own ignorance.

What a pile of ridiculousness. The bible was not created all at once, and it's many authors definitely didn't have just one intention. All that God is perfect love talk is just utter white noise. I doubt you even understand what you said. You certainly didn't make a point.

People do not need God or religion to do good things for others. And NO, it is not that hard to do good things for others. Your admission of that proves you need to coaxed by religion to do those good things.

There's no proof that a god exists or not. There's no proof that prayer works. Until god, any god, shows him/herself in plain sight, and performs a bonafide miracle, then I will remain an atheist.

I was raised a Christian, Catholic if you must know. But I have come to doubt God. At most I would call God, if there is one, distant and uninvolved. Science is slowly answering religions main arguments. There is only two main ones left. What happens after death and how the universe began.

No.

Partly because I wasn't raised to. Partly because I see no reason to. And partly because I don't want to.

I don't like the way religious people act, whatsoever. I don't like churches. They idea of worship is obnoxious. The belief that Jesus is suppose to be my role model, sounds like bullshit.

Therefore, if there is a God, he's not worth my time, mind, or energy. I'm a perfectly decent person without religion and God. And best of all, I'm not a hypocrite! Woot!

"I don't see why God couldn't have just set evolution in motion."

Because according to the bible god created all of the various species at the time of creation. This makes evolution impossible.

Sorry, there is no god. I will not accept any claim that comes without any evidence.

There is no reason why I should. There is no evidence for the existence of a God. The belief would not improve my life at all. I would feel like a child that holds on to belief in Santa even though he sees his parent stuffing the stockings. God is for the weak and indoctrinated.

For obvious reasons: religions claims to explain the foundation and structure of the universe without good enough evidence. It is therefore the duty of scientific thinking people to point that out - that the evidence is flawed

Just a flaw with your initial argument.

"Suppose they are. That is, suppose there is no Uncaused Being, no God. Then nothing could exist right now. For remember, on the no-God hypothesis, all things need a present cause outside of themselves in order to exist."

That's assuming time has a finite beginning. If you believe that God is and always was, and considering that we don't see time having an end, then why does time (an infinite dimension, therefore) have to have a beginning?

That's not it at all. Emotions are completely natural, animals show compassion all the time, this is why you dog licks you and why you don't fk with a bear's cubs. What does the existence of a creator have to do with the possibility of love? That's such a random association.

This is a close one, but I'd have to say no.

When in sexual arousal the body releases phenylethylamines, these produce the feeling of love. Love can easily be explained by science through biology and chemistry, that might sound cold, but I don't believe it makes it any less beautiful.

'..regardless of which side you're on, you're there based on faith.'

No faith is the belief in something with inadequate evidence and in the case of God, lots of evidence to the contrary. Science is based on evidence.

'Science and a belief in God do not have to be mutually exclusive of each other.'

Indeed. There are scientific reasons why people believe in gods.

'I believe God intended us seek knowledge and question things...even Him.'

You can believe whatever you want but if it adversely affects the lives of others, you should be held accountable with reasoned inquiry.

E.g. I may believe that the sun sets in the Indian ocean every night because my parents and community say so but if I punch those who dissent from my belief I should be forced to face reason with evidence.

'For everything science brings to the table, it won't be able to prove "scientifically" that the universe and everything in it, is a result of random happenstance.'

That's your assumption. Perhaps it's akin to a 10th century peasant saying 'never' when conteplating the lunar landings.

'A time came when I realized that there would ALWAYS be something to be discovered..'

So?

'..I put my faith in God..'

But why?

How dare you jump into a debate with your false premises disguised as a cogent argument... in order to put down other people's belief systems and the President of the United States! What have you done lately... I guess just spread poison.

No, there's no evidence. Why not believe in pink unicorns as well? And teapots? And Santa? I guess these are all pretty cliche arguments, but why be content with not understanding the world when you can?

No, I don't believe in god(s)- at the same time, I don't think science disproves god(s), nor would the existence of god(s) disprove science. They are not exclusive. It's absolutely personal, and my idea is no.

I have seen a lot more negative reactions than positive.

Take for example stem cell research.

What about the creation story with the world being created in 7 days. I do not think science can ever support that story.

There is simply no good empirical proof for is existence. Miracles, prophets, and religious texts are not empirical. Neither is "proof" that a largely historical text is 100% correct because it gets some historical details correct.

While I agree that the idea f the bible as a moral compass is far more palatable than as a specific description of real-life events, I think it should be noted that people can be good without the Bible, and people can also be terrible within Biblical law.

I'm not a Christian, and I still know what is right and what is wrong. Do not hurt others- do not steal, violate, kill, etc. I don't need a Bible to guide my actions, and yet my actions are still those of a good person.

I'm straight.

Also, I've never attacked anyone in my life. You have the right to your beliefs, which i may or may not agree with, and I have the right to mine.

Also, I don't understand your story- did you shoot blanks at them? What sort of sixteen year old were you, with three previous assaults? A violent lunatic? Also, two sons at sixteen? Huh, that sounds quite chaste to me.

And if homosexuals said to you that you had no rights, wanted to stone you, etc., then you would be angry. You're angry for far less. Being gay doesn't make you a god-hater, nor does being straight make you a Christian. Acceptance is important, and you seem to be really, really short on that trait!

Intolerance is hurting others for their beliefs. Intolerance is using offensive language because you can- whether it's about one's race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.

And if you hate gay people so much, move to the Middle East! they don't have that problem there.

Oh really?...

I think its safe to say that i dont need to depend on a imaginary

man to persue my dreams and live a good life.

Hell no!

Im a very proud Atheist and ill keep it that way

this is my first argument: ahem... atheists and theists are two sides of the same coin. one is certain there is a god, the other is certain there is not.. both have intelligent people. i have not seen god, but if i do...

A scientific answer is easy. "Why not?"

Sorry to answer your question with a question, but you're operating on a potentially false premise, that everything has to have a reason for being.

Obviously, if you want God to have created everything, then you're going to invent evidence to reinforce that belief.

While religion attacks science, science must defend itself. We saw life without learning in the middle ages. Bad, weren't they? Therefore, trying to hide fact because a book, supposedly written by a god that has not been proven, is an attack on learning and science. Why should we go simply with what the bible says? That is why people bring science and religion into comparison, because as one disproves parts of the other, the other sticks to its dogma and tries to ban science. That is wrong.

That is attempting to answer a the question of the chicken or the egg in disguise. You have a good point, but it does not prove a god exists.

I must argue here, although, to comfort you believers, I do sometimes doubt my atheist views. How can you prove god to be all loving and forgiving, yet claim he eternally punishes people in hell? What if God lied; what if Lucifer was good and God bad, yet God won so he got tell the story. You cannot prove God, just as much as I cannot completely disprove God. This argument will lead no where. My point is, if you argue for God's existence based on the bible alone, then you have a flawed argument. The bible was written by men, so it is flawed itself and not reliable. One more thing, here is an interesting correlation. As science has improved and knowledge increased, religion and god become less and less fact. Interesting, yes?

just because you have faith and believe in miracles you believe in god....................

point out the godly miracles........

Hold the phone, logical? Could you explain, please?

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

what absurdity is this then you want to say that a person will escape hell if he believes in god..............................

then i think so all the terrorists and wrongdoers will escape HELL

In my opinion our conscious is the HELL, if you do wrong it will hurt you..... it is not going to see if u believe in GOD or NOT

all humans existed becoz of the improved science and moder techniques.........

its true that it is very impossible without any creator, people would exist in this world but I say that it is SCIENCE the creator

God is just an imaginary figure created by the humans...........

terrorists and wrongdoers escape the punishment in the name of god............

Hence God is a lame excuse for the people

Religion and science must be compared because science is the basis for everything else, why wouldn't you apply science when determining if god is exists or not? This is an absurd argument!

The bible is not proof for god. That would be considered circular reasoning.

Then where did the almighty jackass himself come from? You answer that one. If everything cannot come from absolute nothineg, then where did your God come from? And science does answer why. Why life on Earth? Because our planet is in the a certain spot around the sun that allows an atmosphere and liquid water at the surface. Booya bible thumper

This depends on how far you believe the influence of a god goes. Did the god create the Universe and set up the laws of physics and then let nature take its course, or does he/she/it have an active involvement in everything with nothing going unnoticed or uninfluenced; or any position between these extremes.

In the latter case, why create species and then destroy them (such as extinctions)? What is the reason for creating species that survive by killing and eating other species (that feel pain)? Why do we have diseases that cause so much suffering and what is the point of allowing humans to find cures for diseases that god created?

In the former, science can not explain the causes of the Big Bang or the creation of life, but that does not mean there is not a scientific explanation. Many things that were once thought to be to work of god are now explained by science, such as earthquakes, plagues and eclipses. 1,000 years ago god would have been an adequate explanation of these events, but we now have other (scientific) explanations. The things that science has explained so far do not need the intervention or guidance of a god; therefore if there is a scientific explanation of the creation of the world it will probably not need a god either. If there is no god there is no reason (ie nothing is planned or meant to happen).

Just because science can not explain something now does not necessarily mean we never will be able to understand it. I feel a little uncomfortable saying that because something is extremely complicated and we don’t understand it, it must be attributed to a god.

I’m not saying we should discount the existence of a god completely; I just find scientific explanations more convincing and do not see the need to believe that things happen for a reason.

You're assuming things happen for a reason. Could it not all be chance?

"Where do you go from there?"

That's it. Once somebody accepts that there is an initial force, he has to realize it is a supernatural being (because it cannot logically be a natural being) and a god or gods will follow suit. Thus "initial force = god/gods".

There is less historical evidence for Jesus Christ than for Robin hood. The scrolls that date before the year 384 after Christ (when the modern bible was formed for political reasons) - describe yoshua (meaning savior in Aramaic, and not a mans name) as some sort of spirit/ghost. And there is no evidence or historical record of Jesus that dates from the time he was supposedly living

Compare the historical evidence of Buddha for example (who lived approximately 500 years before Christ) They practically have the laundry list of Buddha

You seem to think that at the same time the big bang happened the earth was created. The earth is about four billion years old, but the big bang happened somewhere between 13-14 billion years ago. The gases that made up the earth came according to big bang theory ultimately from that big bang - but not (and this is important) all at the same time. All-at-the-same-time is the bible version of creation, remember.

This is the problem with many of the arguments the religious side makes here - you make up a simplified straw-man out of what you believe one theory or another says and have obviously not studied these theory's, probably because you live in parts of your country where religion has such a stronghold that you don't get to learn these things. This forces us to spend most of our time correcting your ridiculous and flawed statements - and then some of you get very hurt when we assault your intelligence.

At least we have studied the foundation of your claims

exactly. Molecules do not randomly fit together- they have a certain shape that predisposes them to fitting to some but not others - then they build up bigger forms that un-randomly fit to other molecule clusters and so on. The randomness is only if and when they will coma against forms that fit. Most of the time they bump into molecules that dont fit.

Read "a New kind of science" by Stephen Wolfram. It is a book about complexity theory that goes to show (with mathematical computer simulations) that complex forms and structures are more likely to have a simple set of initial conditions than complex. In fact if the intial conditions are complex almost all of the time the forms/structures that follow are simple

Even if we accept that, how could we possibly know anything about the initial force that created the universe? How do you know the universe wasn't created accidentally?

...therefore God exists. The logic is inescapable!

Oh, wait, no, I forgot... the difficulty of holding a belief has nothing to do with it's validity. Silly me!

In the car analogy, "crashing" together is instantaneous.

It took literally trillions of years for our universe to become the way it is and throughout that time things have gradually developed. Human life didn't spawn out of nowhere, that's what YOU believe, that man was crushed from dirt, if you actually believe Genesis. What science actually supposes is that multiple forms of life exist down to the simplest level, we've recorded and documented the process of evolution in current years, there are fossils that point exhaustively at a common ancestor, and that life gradually developed up to our level, each predecessor and prototype sustaining itself.

Once again. In response to the video, which stated that there are two ultimatums, 1. Either everything came from nothing, or 2. Something always existed. All you did was assume everything came from somewhere, placed God before all of this, and closed off the causality chain with the exact opposite argument.

Once again, in response to the video. If there are two ultimatums, that Everything came from nothing, or that it always existed, then why does the universe have to have a beginning? You've just assumed this and then closed off the causality cycle with the opposite argument.

Look kids! He started with the watchmaker argument! Please, please, please, stop using arguments that have been proven to be flawed over and over and over! This is the problem that theists have when convincing atheists that there is a god of some sort, you don't use good arguments.

Anyway, to disprove that argument, we recognize that things like jeans, laptop, and WATCHES have a creator because that's the culture that we've been brought up in. We know that they have a creator because there's no method through which they could've come together other than that. But for the complexities of our bodies, the spiders, and the sea shells, we have explained methods by which they reach their complexity (evolution).

The main problem that I have with the watchmaker argument is the inherent fundamentalist theistic blindness that it displays. On the surface, it simply shows the theist ignoring scientific evidence (which is a bit of a euphemism, I've realized. Let's make this clear: evidence means we've SEEN IT HAPPEN), but then you dive deeper and it shows how much the belief in a god (I didn't capitalize it because I wasn't referring to the Abrahamic God) can blind a person to the flaws in their argument. You're stating that a god (which most people say is perfect) created the universe (perfectly). You're arrogant enough to assume that this universe was created for humans, one of the stupidest assertions you can make. If a god exists, he's a damn shitty one for creating all this useless crap around us (the whole universe that we don't really need). Why wouldn't a god give us better, longer lasting, stronger bodies? Why wouldn't a god make the universe centered around us if we were what he created it for? Why wouldn't we be living in a metaphorical "Garden of Eden"? Here's the answer: because a god doesn't exist.

Also, why do you assert that the christian God created the universe?

why is it trying to sell me movies bout god FOR ONLY 11.95!!!!!!!!!!

What evidence is there that everything didnt happen by chance? Dont things happen to people by chance every day, or is everything that happens, good or bad, God's plan? Though i do realize that it "feels" good to think that there is a creator than that everything happened by chance, whether or not the former is true is always up for debate. I am currently in a battle within myself, especially after reading Thomas Paine's Age of Reason, even though it is a totally deistic view of religion. The FACT is, God didnt give us a book called the Bible, the Catholic church found the Books in the Bible and decided which books would be called the Word of God, with no chance of debating the actual existence of such a thing.

Bibledefendy

"It doesn't make sense to say that if you look at a car, that somehow everything crashed together and made a car that RUNS."

It is ironic that you say this. We are saying the same thing.

It doesn't make sense to say that if you look at a creator, that somehow everything crashed together and made a creator that CREATES.

Or, you could actually do some research and find out that there are processes by which complexity can be created from simplicity. (EX: Evolution, Conway's Game of Life, Chaotic systems, etc.)