I've noticed that somehow sexism was brought up, so I won't be taking the side of the anti-Christians in this debate.

Instead, I'll take this opportunity to say that Philosophy is the only means of discussing God. Now, through logical argument we are able to find that Christianity is not the best explanation of God for it does not provide credible evidence for its claims about God, Jesus, etc. If Christianity were merely a religion about philosophy and not one based on "facts", it would be a better proponent for God.

As I stated in the beginning, though, I will not join in on the Christianity bashing because it seems that all you people are interested in is somehow pushing your own ideology along with the "disproving" or Christianity. It's annoying and takes away the whole point of the debate on God.

God is a part of Philosophy. To think about God, you must think beyond physical evidence and think towards reasoning. Physical evidence is good for understanding the world you live in, but if you wish to understand God you must first realize that God is not of the Universe you live in. God is something much more (this coming from the commonly accepted form of God; I'm not here to discuss those who worship golf clubs and such).

Does God exist? That is an impossible question to answer. Can God exist? As a natural being, it can not. God is a super natural being, and this is what's commonly accepted. The idea is that a super natural being CAN NOT exist, but it does for it bends the very laws of nature. Now, these laws of nature are to our understanding. We, though, do not understand the Universe enough to decide what are the ultimate laws of nature. How far nature can go. What is outside our Universe? Is there anything at all?

Is it possible that God is merely the missing piece to the Universal puzzle? Maybe what we find to be the intelligent or ultimate creator is a massive formation of energy that keeps us going. Is it God? Maybe we find that the formation that we see around us is merely conjured by a field of energy in an empty space and all of our "independent" thoughts are just part of a pattern formed by this random conjuration. Is this field of energy God? Maybe the Universe is God; for it is what creates everything we see. We can accept that w/e happens to us is because of the Universe. Maybe we are God. We know that w/e we see is there. We create the images. It's very possible that God doesn't have to be a single thinking being, but a being made up of many (our Nervous System and such). Maybe what we sense is our power over the Universe. Maybe if we could no longer sense it, it will no longer exist.

The Philosophy on God can go on forever with countless theories (mainly made up out of the blue, I'll admit) but in this case, God can not be debated with physical evidence, for the idea of God itself has surpassed physical understanding.

It's your belief, you figure it out. I am simply putting out the fact.

If he could perform these supernatural powers by himself, he is supernatural.

Man can not walk on water with their feet or heal wounds with their bare hands.

If Jesus were fully man, he wouldn't have magic powers. If he did have magic powers, than he certainly was not a natural being.

A man is a natural being. Therefore, if Jesus had powers, he was no man.

By my logic, all of those miracles that people claim happened are bullshit. Just to put it out there. That's not what I'm debating, though.

If the Holy Spirit is using us as mediums, than we are not the ones performing the miracles. It's the Holy Spirit. Jesus, on the other hand, was the Son of God. While his conception was through the Holy Spirit, the miracles that he performed were from him. This made him supernatural.

1. If by through the holy spirit, isn't really the Holy Spirit who is doing it? A human being can not harness unnatural powers unless he himself is unnatural. The body doesn't work that way.

1. We do not heal sickness with nothing but our hands. We heal it with medicine and physical means that are mathematical. There is no miracle involved, just technology. So we are not beyond natural.

2. I guess I should have been more specific. Philosophically, religion can be debated and disproved. But, this does not mean it was disproved at an objective stance (since no one can ever be sure about everything) but at a reasonable sense. In philosophy, we are able to see how most religions do not provide a good enough argument to create such a large belief system. We can't say that this is the definite answer, but philosophically it's good enough.

aw come on jstantall..... try answering other people's questions and directly responding to points they bring up. It would be so interesting. Are you just here to propagandize and proselytize?

1. On the subject of Jesus, we can both agree that what Jesus did did not comply with natural law. And depending on our subjective attitude towards the miracles, Jesus's powers can be considered superior to natural law, for they bend the laws of nature.

2. Which food you find tastier is an opinion. That will always be subjective. Whether something is real or not is objective and can therefore be disproved. Whether Jesus existed or not and whether he performed these miracles or not is objective. He either performed these miracles or he didn't. So your belief in this can be debated, especially through philosophy, but through scientific means as well (not chemistry science, but other forms of physical science and history)

If he performed miracles, it was supernatural.

To have the ability to do so would make you supernatural.

Of course, this is why I use philosophy to dispute religion itself. I just didn't want to do it since the anti-christian sentiment here was just ideological bullshit.

If Jesus is God in the Christian perspective, he is still not a natural being. A natural being can not heal wounds with just the touch of his hands. A natural being can not bring back someone who was once dead. A natural being can not turn water into wine without physically adding the correct ingredients for wine (which according to the Bible, he did not). A natural being can not walk on water in it's normal, liquid form. A natural being can not rise from the dead. And a Natural being can not be a supernatural being (God).

If you one believes in Jesus, he must realize that what he believes in is supernatural.